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Kinny100 02/04/22 11:40:42 PM #1: |
Amir Locke was killed by Minnesota police officers who were executing a no-knock warrant, despite not being named in any of their warrants. https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/02/04/minnesota-police-fatally-shoot-black-man-newday-jimenez-vpx.cnn --- http://i.imgur.com/riPcH.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinny100 02/04/22 11:40:50 PM #2: |
mods, can i post the actual video? --- http://i.imgur.com/riPcH.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/04/22 11:43:03 PM #3: |
I would imagine no-knock warrants have a high fatality rate. They tend to be limited to people who are very dangerous. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinny100 02/04/22 11:44:02 PM #4: |
they broke into his house he was sleeping he woke up cuz of the noise cops shot him multiple times he died on scene he didnt live there he is NOT the person named on the warrant --- http://i.imgur.com/riPcH.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/04/22 11:47:10 PM #5: |
Kinny100 posted... they broke into his house I don't see how that's relevant. The police wouldn't have been entitled to kill him even if he were. Did the guy they were searching for live there? I'm better at reading articles than watching videos anyway. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/04/22 11:51:07 PM #6: |
https://news.yahoo.com/amir-locke-22-old-shot-220709548.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall Who was Amir Locke, 22-year-old shot dead by Minneapolis police (yahoo.com) ... Amir Locke, 22, was killed by Minneapolis Police as they executed a no-knock warrant during a homicide investigation. Police entered the apartment where Mr Locke, who was holding a gun, was killed at 6.48am on Wednesday. Police entered the apartment where Mr Locke, who was holding a gun, was killed at 6.48am on Wednesday. Locke had concealed carry permit for gun His parents, Andre Locke and Karen Wells, said on Friday that their son was executed by the Minneapolis SWAT team, when they woke him from a deep sleep. They added that he reached in confusion for his gun, for which he had a concealed carry permit, to protect himself. Hmmmmmmm Sorry, neutral. The fault lies with the warrant's address, not its method. [The time of day?] Still neutral. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoxObscuras 02/04/22 11:51:16 PM #7: |
Yeah. There were several topics about it earlier. They gave him no time to react at all. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 | i9-10900K | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3600 | 4TB SSD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/04/22 11:52:33 PM #8: |
NoxObscuras posted... Yeah. There were several topics about it earlier. They gave him no time to react at all. I think that's the point of a no-knock warrant. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoxObscuras 02/04/22 11:56:15 PM #9: |
atmasabr posted... I think that's the point of a no-knock warrant.Yeah, the point of giving them no time to react is to arrest them, not murder them. He went from startled out of his sleep to shot dead in just a few seconds. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 | i9-10900K | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra | 32GB DDR4 3600 | 4TB SSD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinny100 02/04/22 11:57:18 PM #10: |
you sound like a real bootlicker --- http://i.imgur.com/riPcH.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 12:02:53 AM #11: |
NoxObscuras posted... Yeah, the point of giving them no time to react is to arrest them, not murder them. He went from startled out of his sleep to shot dead in just a few seconds. Calling it murder is a sick joke. He was holding a gun. I'm not sure what you would have expected an officer to do differently. There's a reason the mayor's immediate reaction was to suspend no-knock warrants. Because it seems you can do everything "right" and it won't work. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 12:03:50 AM #12: |
Kinny100 posted... you sound like a real bootlicker I don't believe in jumping to conclusions. Or if I do, I prepare myself to be humiliated. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinny100 02/05/22 12:05:22 AM #13: |
you're literally coming up with every excuse you can think of --- http://i.imgur.com/riPcH.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AablMind 02/05/22 12:08:58 AM #15: |
Remember when police threw a flash grenade at a baby during a no-knock raid? --- Number of times I've been called a tankie on this dying website: 4 I'll have you know, you're arguing with a himbo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinny100 02/05/22 12:09:53 AM #16: |
AablMind posted... Remember when police threw a flash grenade at a baby during a no-knock raid?atmasabr: the baby shouldnt have been napping at that time of the day --- http://i.imgur.com/riPcH.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 02/05/22 12:13:11 AM #17: |
atmasabr posted... Calling it murder is a sick joke. He was holding a gun. I'm not sure what you would have expected an officer to do differently. There's a reason the mayor's immediate reaction was to suspend no-knock warrants. Because it seems you can do everything "right" and it won't work. Do you feel it was appropriate of the police to lie in their first statement then? Claiming they announced themselves before entering and that he pointed the gun at the officers? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoorsLight 02/05/22 12:13:25 AM #18: |
atmasabr posted... Sorry, neutral. The fault lies with the warrant's address, not its method. "A person got killed by cops because the cops got some information wrong. Aw shucks! I don't know who to blame here!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 12:14:33 AM #19: |
OVERGOATED posted... how the hell can you read that and still remain neutral. I don't respect your question any more than you respect my position. It's easy to conclude that in the situation the officers encountered, a man with a gun, indeed, sleeping with a gun, that the shooting was justified. Remember, this was a homicide investigation. However it has not yet been established that the person they were looking for actually had business at that address. [Edit: Sleeping with a gun? My New York norms with our safe lock laws are showing.] In order for me to conclude that the matter was fair, and should be dismissed from controversy, I would need, at a minimum, information that the person they were looking for had a strong connection to the apartment they went to. Conversely, in order for me to conclude something wrong occurred, I would need information that the person they were looking for had no connection to the apartment they went to. I have mixed feelings about the time of day that I don't expect to resolve in either direction. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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St0rmFury 02/05/22 12:15:05 AM #20: |
Trained policemen are allowed to be jumpy & twitchy. Untrained civilians are expected to remain calm with guns pointing at them. --- "Average Joe" is a trolling term since it's completely an opinion. "Overachieving" is also an opinion. - SBAllen (Hellhole: 52458377) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 12:20:10 AM #22: |
OVERGOATED posted... I just don't understand how you can believe in the right to bear arms, and then shoot a man for reaching for a firearm when people are breaking into his place of residence. Actually I don't put much thought into the right to bear arms. I think the Constitution reads a certain way, but as for why it's so important that bores me. Anyway I'm not interested in talking about personalities. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 02/05/22 6:25:01 PM #23: |
Ruvan22 posted... Do you feel it was appropriate of the police to lie in their first statement then? Claiming they announced themselves before entering and that he pointed the gun at the officers?@atmasabr ? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 02/05/22 6:34:29 PM #24: |
atmasabr posted... Calling it murder is a sick joke. He was holding a gun. I'm not sure what you would have expected an officer to do differently. There's a reason the mayor's immediate reaction was to suspend no-knock warrants. Because it seems you can do everything "right" and it won't work. where the fuck did this account that Ive never seen before come from --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheGoldenEel 02/05/22 6:36:44 PM #25: |
There isnt nearly enough outrage over this people are too desensitized --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tenlaar 02/05/22 6:37:57 PM #26: |
thronedfire2 posted... where the fuck did this account that Ive never seen before come fromThe politics board. He is an unbelievably shameless shill for the right and says things like the ACLU is the equivalent to Breitbart. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 02/05/22 6:40:27 PM #27: |
Can he go back --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 8:41:40 PM #28: |
Ruvan22 posted... @atmasabr ? I'm not familiar with more than I've said. But let me see if I understand correctly. The first claim you are making is that the police did not announce themselves before entering, but claimed in their statement that they did announce themselves before entering, and therefore lied. According to the CNN article I linked to, the police were executing a no-knock raid. They then announced themselves as they were entering the apartment. According to the CNN reporter who viewed the video, When they enter the apartment, the police officers yell police search warrant several times as well as hands and get on the ground. Show me the statement by the department or responding officers claiming they announced themselves before they entered the apartment and I will concede it was a lie, and I will agree it was not appropriate to claim that they did pre-announced instead simultaneously announcing. The second claim you are making is that the police claimed the gun was pointed at them, but the gun was not pointed at them, and therefore the claim that the gun was pointed at them was a lie. Based on the CNN article I linked to, I first of all think you're misrepresenting the first part unless you have further information, do not accept that any statement by the department or any officer about the display of the firearm is contradicted by the known facts, and as a tertiary matter I don't even think your conclusion follows from the premises. I believe this very strongly. A gun rights group had the following interpretation of the video: it appeared from the video that Mr Locke had been awakened by a confusing array of commands from multiple officers pointing lights and guns at him. The reporter who wrote the article analyses the video as follows: When they enter the apartment, the police officers yell police search warrant several times as well as hands and get on the ground. The police department's official statement is that the man had aimed the gun "in the direction of the officers." I think that the police department's statement that Mr. Locke had aimed the gun in the direction of the officers is almost certainly true, and for the reasons stated by other posters in this topic and outlined by the gun rights group quoted. It is highly probable that Mr. Locke did not know he was surrounded by police and being ordered to put himself under arrest, which means he more likely than not emerged holding the gun either as a threat or intending to immediately use it. Okay I don't know they were surrounding the couch, I'm just assuming it. My gut impression is that there was at least 50% chance there were one or more officers in the direction of where the gun was pointed, more when I read the police department's official statement. Still, that's reading a lot into the situation, and I don't really like the fact that you're doing the same in a way that accuses police of lying. Even if an officer was mistaken in their perception that the gun was "pointed at them" or "aimed in the direction of officers", it was... a gun in his hand. It is easy to confuse "being confused and reaching for a weapon", or "coming out from behind a blanket holding a firearm" with pointing a firearm at the officer. It is literally impossible in real life to freeze frame and decide exactly what is going on in the situation as it is described. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 8:43:40 PM #29: |
Antifar posted... Can he go back Can't. Gamefaqs lies about its board descriptions. What, because I see things differently than you do? There's a song from Rent (I hate that play) that you can hearken do. All you need to do is jump over the moon. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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b_nolan 02/05/22 8:47:47 PM #30: |
atmasabr posted... I'm not familiar with more than I've said. But let me see if I understand correctly.Do the police pay you to shill this hard for them? --- 3219 9552 1415 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr_Karate_II 02/05/22 8:49:24 PM #31: |
atmasabr posted... I'm not familiar with more than I've said. But let me see if I understand correctly.Shill much? --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheOtherMike 02/05/22 8:52:01 PM #32: |
Welp I'll just slap that one on ignore now and get it over with. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 8:54:02 PM #33: |
Mr_Karate_II posted... Shill much? I think you're projecting. I call things as I see them and explain my reasoning. You do not have to agree, and you do not have to take it personally when you disagree. Simply say, we agree to disagree, and move on. There is, of course, no meaning to the fact that this particular population happens to include a certain slant in the distribution of interpretations. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 02/05/22 8:54:06 PM #34: |
atmasabr posted... Calling it murder is a sick joke.Oh shit, I didnt know that Amir was still alive! Boy, hes gonna be so relieved when he finds out that the police didnt kill him in his own home for no reason at all b_nolan posted... Do the police pay you to shill this hard for them?You have to remember that atma is a guy who wrote a literal manifesto in this same style about how the hunter biden laptop story was completely 100% legit, among other stories like that Hes not a guy that youre gonna see many good takes from --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shablagoo 02/05/22 8:56:40 PM #35: |
Sorry all, I think I may have inadvertently drawn atmasabr here. --- "if i was a woman i would mail kyle rittenhouse my panties." ~ledbowman "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 8:57:55 PM #36: |
greyfox747 posted... You have to remember that atma is a guy who wrote a literal manifesto in this same style about how the hunter biden laptop story was completely 100% legit, among other stories like that No, I did a fact check, the first and only one that was done on Gamefaqs, and I sourced every statement and inference. You can fact check questionable or contentious stories, too. There is a reason why the New York Times had to delete its claim that the story was unsubstantiated. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 8:59:08 PM #37: |
Shablagoo posted... Sorry all, I think I may have inadvertently drawn atmasabr here. You're apologizing for a center-right moderate posting on a board. That's very interesting. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 02/05/22 9:00:00 PM #38: |
Nah, you actually got suspended multiple times because you did a fact check and came to the conclusion that it was absolutely totally real and not fake at all and blocked everyone who said differently Its weird that you would lie about that. --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VigorouslySwish 02/05/22 9:00:36 PM #39: |
Cops are the biggest pussies on the planet --- i'm just some guy yellin' about apple sauce ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 9:03:34 PM #40: |
greyfox747 posted... Nah, you Who else fact checked with sources? What were the sources? What were the counterarguments made when I found the sources others had referred to in their arguments, and rebutted them? The claim that the subject of an email had been misspelled was especially egregious, and I was the one who figured out where that came from. I only block people for flaming and harassment. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 02/05/22 9:04:49 PM #41: |
atmasabr posted... Who else fact checked with sources? Not you, thats for sure Thats why youve been suspended 2 or 3 times for it now, since youre full of shit and nowhere near as smart as you think you are --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 9:07:41 PM #42: |
greyfox747 posted... Not you, thats for sure Please don't lie. I used like 10 links to news stories, sourced a Senate Committee and the Director of National Intelligence, and documents with two signatures. It's the reason I'm on this board instead of Politics, by the way. Here at least there's no claim to fairness, it's a no-man's land in word and deed. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 02/05/22 9:11:16 PM #43: |
greyfox747 posted... Nah, you actually got suspended multiple times because you did a fact check and came to the conclusion that it was absolutely totally real and not fake at all and blocked everyone who said differentlyAgain, you didnt fact check anything, since you completely believed in it and lied about it and got furious when people pointed out all the flaws and nonsensical statements in your posts Thats why you got suspended for it, since you were intentionally spreading stupid conspiracy theories --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 9:12:32 PM #44: |
greyfox747 posted... Again, you didnt fact check anything Why are you lying about this? --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sphyx 02/05/22 9:14:28 PM #45: |
TheOtherMike posted... Welp I'll just slap that one on ignore now and get it over with.Seems the smart option. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 02/05/22 9:15:10 PM #46: |
You posting yeah this is completely believable about a clearly false story for dozens of posts isnt fact checking anything, sorry. greyfox747 posted... Again, you didnt fact check anything, since you completely believed in it and lied about it and got furious when people pointed out all the flaws and nonsensical statements in your postsSince you didnt read the rest, I put it again here for you --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 9:21:51 PM #47: |
Like I said. I posted like 10 links to various news articles, documents of two signatures, and statements by the Director of National Intelligence and two Senate Committees. That is research. That is fact-checking. That is analysis. And I think it's very telling that your response to such effort, the only person on Gamefaqs willing to go the extra mile to dig up such things, is to claim that there is something wrong with it, without lifting a single finger to engage the subject. Even now, you are claiming that citing primary and secondary sources is not fact checking. That's a problem, it a very big problem, and it's an especially big problem when we're talking about highly contentious issues that split the left and the right so sharply and so shrilly it obscures what is happening. Why are you so against talking about things you don't initially know about? Why do it so important to stick with first reports and gut checks? [Edit:] I wasn't even spreading a conspiracy theory. I was rebutting one. The conspiracy theory of the anti-Midas Touch of the Masked Singer and a man who happened to vote for Donald Trump. An argument claimed that the email address of someone was misspelled. But no source was provided, and I learned that it was a misperception of a zoomed out image. An argument claimed that the files had been created just a few short months ago. Which was true--because the files were copies of emails sent earlier. An argument claimed that the putative owner of the laptop lived in a different state than the computer repair shop, so why would he go there. Which was true--but his girlfriend and father lived in that very same state. No one has ever come back to deliver that rebuttal argument to me again after I pointed that out. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greyfox747 02/05/22 9:30:48 PM #48: |
You whole heartedly buying into a very stupid conspiracy theory is not analysis. You aren't providing anyone a service by doing so. It doesn't make you smart. atmasabr posted... when we're talking about highly contentious issues that split the left and the right so sharplyThis is a very funny way to describe people justifiably mocking you for believing in very stupid and clearly false hunter biden conspiracy theories. But it's never your fault, I suppose. --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PoundGarden 02/05/22 9:32:02 PM #49: |
The same mfers saying this man had no right to defend himself in his home from am intruder with his legally obtained gun are the same mfers who spent the last year deep throating Rittenhouse. Gee, I wonder what's different --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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atmasabr 02/05/22 9:36:04 PM #50: |
greyfox747 posted... You whole heartedly buying into a very stupid conspiracy theory To be clear, and please tell me Yes or No, you are stating that the emails the New York Post obtained were fakes, and you are stating that concluding the emails were genuine is buying into a conspiracy theory. --- So much of the tragedy in human history can be explained by man's attempts to kill Cain. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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