Current Events > Do the Total Warhammer games have the same problem of all the other TW games?

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The problem with the TW games I have played (Rome, Med2, Empire, Shogun2, Napoleon) is that the early game always feels fun and tense, as you are a small nation clawing your way for survival, and every battle has high stakes. But by the midgame you have gotten large and rich enough that you are just sort of steamrolling the map and it get tedious and boring.

I've been playing my first playthrough of Mortal Empires campaign as the Empire and I can kind of see that.

I wouldn't say it feels tedious yet, but the late game is a lot less tense than the early game.

At first, I had one army struggling to police every side of my borders against Greenskins, Norsca, Beastmen, and rival elector counts. If I tried to expand to the west, sure enough some orks would raze my territory from the south. If I tried to fend off a rival faction in the east, Beastmen would raid me from the north. And I did not yet have the economy to support multiple armies.

Now in the late game, I have half a dozen full armies and agents. I've confederated almost all the imperial factions, allied with the Dwarfs and Bretons to wipe out nearby orks, and I've purged the Vampire Counts. Things are a lot more comfortable than they were earlier.

I still have to deal with raiding groups from Norsca, Beastmen, and Warriors of Chaos. Now that we both aren't fighting Vampire Counts, relations with the Wood Elves are getting even more unfriendly.

I haven't had to deal with the Dark Elves, because Bretonnia is a large buffer between us, but we aren't friendly. Lizard Men are too far away to worry about. I still haven't found the High Elves or Tomb Kings.

Dwarfs and Bretonnia are my bros though.

Thanks for the response, @Esrac . Do you find yourself automating a lot of battles or do you play most of them?

I feel like the Warhammer games have much harder starts then the other games (Unless your High Elves where everything is easy mode).

I auto resolve most battles to save time plus I'm lazy.

Once you get big their is an invasion mechanic where they send hordes at you but you can turn it off.

We are both speaking of the first 2 though. The 3rd just came out a few days ago.

Yeah I'm thinking of starting with 2 to see if I like it. I'll get 1 for Mortal Empires if I like it.

ColdOne666 posted... I auto resolve most battles to save time plus I'm lazy.
This seems strange to me. The battles used to be the draw of the series, but I hear a lot of people who skip most of them.

sutree posted...

Yeah I'm thinking of starting with 2 to see if I like it. I'll get 1 for Mortal Empires if I like it.

I auto resolve most battles to save time plus I'm lazy.
This seems strange to me. The battles used to be the draw of the series, but I hear a lot of people who skip most of them.

It could be because the more modern Total War games have vastly more depth in the campaign part than they used to. Warhammer is a good example because every single race has their own set of unique campaign mechanics. The variety in both those and their actual unit rosters is why the series is so popular.

As for your point in the first post, I think for a large chunk of the playerbase that problem will always exist in the series. There are many players who never finish campaigns or only ever finish a few because they eventually start to lose their luster as turns tick by. At least with Warhammer if your current campaign is going stale you can start up a new one that might be significantly different.

sutree posted...

Thanks for the response, @Esrac . Do you find yourself automating a lot of battles or do you play most of them?

If I have reinforcements, I'll usually let the AI control them while I control the main army.

I usually play the battle, because I can usually do it with fewer losses than the computer.

It might be due to the Empire's playstyle.

I'm not sure about all the other races, but I've generally heard the Empire described as a balanced, jack of all trades faction. And I can see it. They don't have the best infantry, cavalry, ranged units, artillery, etc.

So, their gameplay doesn't generally involve spamming a single type of very strong unit. They need to employ a combination of various unit types. So, I'll usually be managing rocket artillery, mounted gunners and cavalry, a wall of infantry, cavalry, etc in a fight. Not to mention the various hero units, like wizards, priests, and legendary lords.

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If you're auto resolving most battles because you're lazy than I fully recommend you just pick up a good 4x game. None of the TW games have fascinating campaign loops or diplomatic shenanigans or AI empires that can really rival you.

Warhammer 2 + 1 + a few of your cherry picked DLC's is a massive campaign and some of the factions (Skaven, Empire, Vampires, etc) have super fun battles. Keyword being battles there.