Current Events > Star Trek Into Darkness might be the worst Star Trek film ever made.

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Rewatching the NuTrek movies and its shocking how stupid the script is for Into Darkness. Im curious to know how people can say this is the best one.

And to clarify, Id rather watch Into Darkness over movies like Generations or Nemesis because it looks amazing and the action is well done. But its the worst Star Trek story of them all for me.

Did they photoshop his voice?

Honestly when I watched it in theaters, I didn't mind it that much, but after the theater experience simmered a bit, I now realize how shitty of a movie it truly was.

I was also tricked by the fact that it referenced The Wrath of Khan without realizing how much of the point of the original it lost along the way.

Yeah, I fucking hated that trash.

"My name is KHAN!"

"...okay, anyone know who that is?"

pegusus123456 posted...

"My name is KHAN!"

"...okay, anyone know who that is?"

This criticism never really made sense to me, because it seems like Khan and the Eugenics Wars would be mandatory topics of education. They would know who Khan was, or at the very least would be at least vaguely familiar with the name.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

This criticism never really made sense to me, because it seems like Khan and the Eugenics Wars would be mandatory topics of education. They would know who Khan was, or at the very least would be at least vaguely familiar with the name.

What? That makes no sense to what is happening in the film.

Nobody in the movie has any clue who Khan is. The film makes it clear that Khan isn't just isolated and just arisen so he wouldn't know that people don't know who he is. The scene is an absurd fourth wall break for no purpose other than making an omniscient audience go "oh shit"

The film is incredibly fucking dumb. I remember people actually crying in the theater when you know who "died" and I was so confused because apparently I was the only one who remembered Bones injecting Khan's blood into a dead tribble for no fucking reason at all other than to obviously set up what was about to happen.

I will admit that I haven't seen the film in like 5 years, so I don't remember the exact details.

DeadBankerDream posted...

What? That makes no sense to what is happening in the film.

Nobody in the movie has any clue who Khan is. The film makes it clear that Khan isn't just isolated and just arisen so he wouldn't know that people don't know who he is. The scene is an absurd fourth wall break for no purpose other than making an omniscient audience go "oh shit"

The film is incredibly fucking dumb. I remember people actually crying in the theater when you know who "died" and I was so confused because apparently I was the only one who remembered Bones injecting Khan's blood into a dead tribble for no fucking reason at all other than to obviously set up what was about to happen.

Yeah, all this. The Khan thing was blatant pandering fanservice 4th wall breaking garbage-- Cumberbatch said it basically right to the audience.

And the death/resurrection thing made me roll my eyes in the theater.

Meh, I enjoyed it. More than I can say for Generations.

Or the one about the fucking whales.

I loved all three of the new star treks and into darkness was my favorite

omega cookie posted...

Or the one about the fucking whales.

How dare you

pegusus123456 posted...

How dare you

Fight me.

Its good. Only part I didnt like was the khan blood being a cure all.

Yeah the Star Trek movie where a giant space sausage with a disco ball wreaks havoc on Earth so the crew needs to time travel to 1980s San Francisco to abduct some whales and bring them to the future to communicate with the sausage is probably worse than Into Darkness.

I absolutely will not stand for this shit talk of Star Trek IV.

iPhone_7 posted...

Yeah the Star Trek movie where a giant space sausage with a disco ball wreaks havoc on Earth so the crew needs to time travel to 1980s San Francisco to abduct some whales and bring them to the future to communicate with the sausage is probably worse than Into Darkness.

How dare you

It has good reviews tho

MICHALECOLE posted...

I loved all three of the new star treks and into darkness was my favorite

Why? Im genuinely curious.

Idk I thought they were good popcorn movies. I havent seen anything else Star Trek, but I know the basic pop culture things. Spock and sulu and dammit man Im a doctor and wessels and stuff like that.

The acting was good, it looked great, the story was fine.

MICHALECOLE posted...

I havent seen anything else Star Trek, but I know the basic pop culture things. Spock and sulu and dammit man Im a doctor and wessels and stuff like that.

Did you write the movie?

pegusus123456 posted...

Did you write the movie?

No, but if I did Id probably have a lot more money!

MICHALECOLE posted...

Idk I thought they were good popcorn movies.

I agree, Im just surprised Into Darkness was your favorite. I thought the writing for 2009 and Beyond were much stronger.

Beyond is the only one of them I like, but the first one is definitely a decent "popcorn" film.

Into Darkness is an obnoxious experience.

Wow I didn't know people hated Generations.

au_gold posted...

Rewatching the NuTrek movies and its shocking how stupid the script is for Into Darkness. Im curious to know how people can say this is the best one.

And to clarify, Id rather watch Into Darkness over movies like Generations or Nemesis because it looks amazing and the action is well done. But its the worst Star Trek story of them all for me.

https://youtu.be/3xhslseNBOU

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Wow I didn't know people hated Generations.

Its the epic meeting between two of the most iconic Star Trek captains

And all they do is cook breakfast, ride horses, and beat up an old man.

au_gold posted...

And all they do is cook breakfast, ride horses, and beat up an old man.

Wait, that's not how all your friendships began?

I'm not a movie critic. I liked into darkness. I think that's my favorite of the three. And I'm a star trek fan.

Don't try to disown me and say I'm not a true star trek fan. I loved TOS, watched every episode of TNG, and watched a sizeable amount of DS9 and VOY. I also watched all the TOS movies and TNG ones as well.

I also watched two seasons of DIS (disliked it), and the first season of Picard (disliked it too).

I don't go to conventions, but ST is one of my favorite series of all time, despite some low points.

I tried not to compare the new Trek to the other material and assess it as they were. Maybe I have low standards because I liked them all. Also, the lower the standards the better. That just means I like more movies and I complain less.

As a bit of action spectacle, Into Darkness is okay.

It doesn't hold up to much scrutiny at all ("Lol, I was injecting super soldier blood into dead tribbles for a laugh and I accidentally created life, what am I like?"), and it's easily the worst of the JJ trilogy (Beyond is the best by a long shot, and I'll tear my shirt open Shatner-style and scrap with anyone who disagrees), but I'd take it over Nemesis or The Final Frontier any day.

Tom Clark posted...

Beyond is the best by a long shot, and I'll tear my shirt open Shatner-style and scrap with anyone who disagrees

Eh. We don't need to fight. I'll give you that. My favorite is Into Darkness, but I still feel Beyond is a good quality movie.

Plus, you're a mod. I'd get beat up. ;)

iwasapoetonce posted...

Plus, you're a mod. I'd get beat up. ;)

Nothing says "physical prowess" quite like being a moderator on GameFAQs to be fair.

iwasapoetonce posted...

Also, the lower the standards the better. That just means I like more movies and I complain less.

I dont think Ive ever met someone with this same mindset on here. Life is just so much more fun and enjoyable when you like more movies/games/music etc than everyone else, rather than hating and complaining all the time.

Into Darkness is the most enjoyable of the trilogy and definitely my favorite, haters be damned.

Tom Clark posted...

As a bit of action spectacle, Into Darkness is okay.

Thats pretty much the only thing it has going for it.

Id probably be more forgiving if it didnt shove in the Wrath of Khan references and just made Cumberbatch a new character. And if they took out the stupid fake Kirk sacrifice just for him to be brought back to life 2 minutes later by Khans magic blood.

But as much as I complain about it, I cant bring myself to hate it because its a very well executed action movie.

I really liked Into Darkness

au_gold posted...

Thats pretty much the only thing it has going for it.

Id probably be more forgiving if it didnt shove in the Wrath of Khan references and just made Cumberbatch a new character. And if they took out the stupid fake Kirk sacrifice just for him to be brought back to life 2 minutes later by Khans magic blood.

But as much as I complain about it, I cant bring myself to hate it because its a very well executed action movie.

I liked the premise, but agree that your spoilered part was //meh, given that the sacrifice in Wrath of Khan was much more impactful

Nemesis is the worst Star Trek movie. I at least enjoyed watching all of the others.

JJ Trek isn't real trek. JJ made a single good decision which was to set it in a different timeline. This spared the prime timeline from being destroyed until STD and Picard trashed it, but it was likely just done because JJ doesn't know how to respect continuity.

The only of the JJ films that isn't trash is Beyond, and this is because it was written by Simon Pegg, who unlike JJ actually 1. Is a good writer and 2. Actually cares about trek (the movie references both the MACOs and the Xindi, those are some deep cuts).

The real tragedy of it though is that just like on things like Game of Thrones, there are so many talented people working on it who do care, but because the most important element, the writing, isn't respected, all the rest of the talent is wasted.

The soundtrack done by Michael Giacchino, for example, is fucking awesome:
https://youtu.be/XfP6o-61e2s

That's the best score Trek has had since First Contact, but it's totally wasted in service of an absolute garbage film.

Spoilers in link:
https://youtu.be/Xiicw42ti5A

iPhone_7 posted...

Yeah the Star Trek movie where a giant space sausage with a disco ball wreaks havoc on Earth so the crew needs to time travel to 1980s San Francisco to abduct some whales and bring them to the future to communicate with the sausage is probably worse than Into Darkness.

You just made the movie sound way more awesome than it really is.

Devilanse333 posted...

You just made the movie sound way more awesome than it really is.

The Voyage Home is the very best Star Trek movie.

ranagrande posted...

The Voyage Home is the very best Star Trek movie.

"Where are da nuklear wapons?"

(I feel you really had to be alive in the 80s to get impact of that)

ranagrande posted...

The Voyage Home is the very best Star Trek movie.

I have Star Trek II as my personal fave.

Star Trek Into Darkness is better then The Wrath of Khan.

Yes I said it.

And yes I will fight you.

Wrath of Kahn was fucking awful. It should have been called the Wrath of Overacting. Not to mention the character in general was just terrible. At no point did it feel like he was ever a threat to anyone except a convienence store's no shirt no service policy. At least Into Darkness actually showed him as being genetically superior unlike the joke that was his episode in the original series.

You guys keep on misspelling "First Contact" when you're talking about the best Trek movie.

Tom Clark posted...

Nothing says "physical prowess" quite like being a moderator on GameFAQs to be fair.

k, this made me laugh

Gamerguymass posted...

Quite possibly the worst post Ive ever seen on this site.

Actually, let's all be honest with ourselves, the best Star Trek movie is Galaxy Quest, and it's not even close.