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Ivynn
03/14/22 8:00:59 PM
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I didn't like the demo, but it still got me to buy the game. So mission accomplished?

I've elected to not transfer the demo save and start over, if only to leave the option to go to Aesfrost instead of Hyzante in Chapter 3 open.

I think I'm gonna follow the path of Liberty, which according to character trailers, is Frederica's path. We'll see how it goes tho.

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WingsOfGood
03/14/22 8:01:34 PM
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does it have a good story?
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Ivynn
03/14/22 8:15:26 PM
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Brigands have terrible voice acting, as is jrpg tradition. But here's the first battle. Now that I've familirized myself with the battle system, it should go a lot faster.

WingsOfGood posted...
does it have a good story?

Can't say for now. I will say that it's a pretty grounded story so far (resoucres are the main motivations, not ancient amulets or dragons or whatever) which is a nice change of pace.

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Ivynn
03/14/22 8:27:37 PM
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Lmao @ Travis's toss move. He can lift a freaking horse!

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BakonBitz
03/14/22 8:28:31 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Brigands have terrible voice acting, as is jrpg tradition. But here's the first battle. Now that I've familirized myself with the battle system, it should go a lot faster.
It feels like some of the characters have stilted or just bad VA, but not all of them. It's weird.

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ellis123
03/14/22 8:30:55 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I didn't like the demo, but it still got me to buy the game. So mission accomplished?
Just wait until you get to the chapters after the demo. It'll make their choices in the demo rather confusing.

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BakonBitz
03/14/22 8:32:29 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Just wait until you get to the chapters after the demo. It'll make their choices in the demo rather confusing.
Is that in a good way?

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Ivynn
03/14/22 8:35:52 PM
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First fight over. Time for an hour of dialogue.

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Ivynn
03/14/22 8:56:52 PM
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The dialogue is so verbose. And they're not subtle about which dialogue is just exposition lol

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ellis123
03/14/22 9:08:35 PM
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BakonBitz posted...
Is that in a good way?
Yeah. The demo is the first couple of chapters and those chapters have a good 2/3x the exposition as the rest of the game. It causes fatigue towards the game due to no gameplay happening for so long with nothing but stuff that you need to be thrown at you (think FFXIII). It's why IGN redid their review (that or because they read the room wrong and thought everyone was going to hate Triangle Strategy): their complaints stopped existing really early in.

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Ivynn
03/14/22 9:21:51 PM
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Even tho I'm a rich noble's son, I still rummage through the peasants' houses for items and gold. Extra taxes I guess.

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ellis123
03/14/22 9:33:08 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Even tho I'm a rich noble's son, I still rummage through the peasants' houses for items and gold. Extra taxes I guess.
It's fine. Monarchism doesn't need taxes as it can have the five finger discount when it needs tithes.

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Ivynn
03/14/22 9:40:34 PM
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Lord Dragan's drunken ramblings.... he's totally a villain, isn't he

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Antifar
03/14/22 9:41:57 PM
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I'm on Chapter XI now and really loving it after being turned off by the demo.

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NoxObscuras
03/14/22 9:42:50 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
does it have a good story?
I'm in Chapter 13 and I'm loving the story so far. I love how the story changes, depending on what you decide to do.

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Heartomaton
03/14/22 9:54:52 PM
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When does "Ivynn watches My Hero Academia Season 5" happen? >:(

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Ivynn
03/14/22 10:25:31 PM
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Finally get to fight again lol. Let's see if I do better in the tourney than I did in the demo. I lost Serenoa and Roland last time. >_>

NoxObscuras posted...
I'm in Chapter 13 and I'm loving the story so far. I love how the story changes, depending on what you decide to do.

Did you decide to go Morality, Liberty, or Utility?

Heartomaton posted...
When does "Ivynn watches My Hero Academia Season 5" happen? >:(

I still need to catch up on other stuff lol. Hopefully soon.

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NoxObscuras
03/14/22 10:28:57 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Finally get to fight again lol. Let's see if I do better in the tourney than I did in the demo. I lost Serenoa and Roland last time. >_>

Did you decide to go Morality, Liberty, or Utility?

I still need to catch up on other stuff lol. Hopefully soon.
Morality choices mostly. But I've also not looked anything up beforehand. So I'm just seeing how it goes lol.

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Heartomaton
03/14/22 10:36:51 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I still need to catch up on other stuff lol. Hopefully soon.

NOW.

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BakonBitz
03/14/22 10:52:28 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Yeah. The demo is the first couple of chapters and those chapters have a good 2/3x the exposition as the rest of the game. It causes fatigue towards the game due to no gameplay happening for so long with nothing but stuff that you need to be thrown at you (think FFXIII). It's why IGN redid their review (that or because they read the room wrong and thought everyone was going to hate Triangle Strategy): their complaints stopped existing really early in.
That's great then. All I heard about the game was that it was dialogue-heavy with barely any battles but that's good to see that the gameplay part picks up.

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Ivynn
03/14/22 11:07:09 PM
#21:


Didn't lose a man this time. Think I'm getting better at this battle system. But Ima take a break now. I'll do Chapter 3 tomorrow and decide if I wanna go to Hyzante again or do Aesfrost this time. Actually leaning towards Hyzante since I wanna see how that all plays out. Which would make not starting from the demo save useless lol. Oh well, I didn't mind the plot refresher.

I hate Thalas and Erika btw. Do I get to bitch-slap them eventually? Please say yes.


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Ivynn
03/15/22 12:29:46 PM
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I chose Hyzante again. I didn't want Strawberry Waifu to suffer her dipshit siblings. And neither did I lol. Plus the ice mage you get from it is cool (no pun intended).

But convincing the characters that preferred Aesfrost was much harder this time! It was easier in the demo, but in the end I wasn't able to convince them at all! What gives? I did choose some different dialogue choices this time around so maybe the conviction wasn't as strong? I guess I don't fully understand this conviction system yet. Thank goodness for Anna's tiebreaker vote.

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ellis123
03/15/22 12:37:41 PM
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Ivynn posted...
But convincing the characters that preferred Aesfrost was much harder this time! It was easier in the demo, but in the end I wasn't able to convince them at all! What gives? I did choose some different dialogue choices this time around so maybe the conviction wasn't as strong? I guess I don't fully understand this conviction system yet. Thank goodness for Anna's tiebreaker vote.
You have to have a high enough conviction and also tell them a line of logic that they like. You also have to talk to town as some dialog options get unlocked by talking to people. While these unlocked dialogs aren't required for the conversations, some even auto-fail you, they tend to be pretty good for at least a couple of the people (usually one from each side of an argument).

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Megaman50100
03/15/22 12:39:22 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Lord Dragan's drunken ramblings.... he's totally a villain, isn't he
eheu

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Ivynn
03/15/22 12:42:41 PM
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ellis123 posted...
You have to have a high enough conviction and also tell them a line of logic that they like. You also have to talk to town as some dialog options get unlocked by talking to people. While these unlocked dialogs aren't required for the conversations, some even auto-fail you, they tend to be pretty good for at least a couple of the people (usually one from each side of an argument).

Yeah, I did all that. AFAIK, I did everything the same as I did in the demo. The only difference was some different dialogue choices earlier.

But it seems every response gives you Conviction so how do you get low conviction?

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ellis123
03/15/22 1:25:19 PM
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Ivynn posted...
But it seems every response gives you Conviction so how do you get low conviction?
There are three different types of conviction in the game and you could potentially not get any points for 2/3 through the dialog stuffs (all of them are gained through various means in the gameplay so you'll basically never have 0 of all three outside of at the very beginning) if you answer in the same manner. For the first vote, as an example, you need 135 Liberty to convince Benedict to go to Aesfrost. This means that you need three Liberty dialog choices (all of them give +50 in their respective totals) in order to convince him. In addition he only has one "path" that he will accept as a good enough justification (second -> third choices) for going through. By comparison Anna requires 53 Liberty conviction, or just over one Liberty dialog choice, for *all* of her dialog choices to cause her to agree to go to Aesfrost.

Obviously as time goes on the actual requirements go up from there but a relevant factor is that you will end up needing different types of conviction. For instance, Utility isn't used at all in the first vote, it is just Liberty versus Morality, but in the second vote it is Utility versus Liberty. Thus depending on what you choose, and assuming you don't sit around and do nothing but grind points (don't do that... especially not on your first run ~.~) you can end up in a situation where your desired path is literally impossible to go on due to your previous choices.

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Ivynn
03/15/22 3:57:41 PM
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Good to know. Guess I can't be willy nilly with choices and need to commit to a path. I was hoping for more flexibility tbh.

Finished Chapter 4. Poor Dragan, I thought he was gonna be a villain I was gonna fight, didn't expect that end for him. I do look forward to shoving a blade into Thalas' gullet tho!

Think I'm getting a hang of how the battles go and when to use special moves. It's pretty tricky.

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NoxObscuras
03/15/22 4:08:03 PM
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Yeah, same. Once Dragan went on his drunken rant, I thought for sure he was going to double cross us at some point. His end was kind of anticlimactic lol.

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ellis123
03/15/22 4:57:53 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Good to know. Guess I can't be willy nilly with choices and need to commit to a path. I was hoping for more flexibility tbh.
You don't really need to too much. So long as you don't stick to just one type of dialog you're quite easily able to sway most everyone (with the exceptions more being the characters that you literally cannot sway) and choose any route that you want. It's mostly just that you will not be able to sway everyone and will be stuck only swaying the "wild card" characters in any given option. Much like how Anna only required that you do a single Liberty option for the first one there are generally characters with fairly low-ish requirements. In the second one you only need 304/333 to swing the votes in your desired path (ignoring the fact that if you do nothing one of those paths will, obviously, be chosen regardless of you doing anything). That's only six dialogs + some change that you will naturally get through normal play. Yes you still have to do the dialog choices to sway the characters correctly, but that is kind of the gameplay and randomly choosing there isn't supposed to be rewarded.

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Ivynn
03/15/22 9:24:54 PM
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Well shit. I honestly don't know what to do about Roland. I don't know if I should hand him over to Aesfrost or nah. Each path seems like it could go wrong.

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Antifar
03/15/22 10:07:51 PM
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Yeah, the decisions get pretty weighty like that as you go along. I can only think of one that felt like a clear right/wrong option

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Ivynn
03/16/22 11:50:18 AM
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Antifar posted...
Yeah, the decisions get pretty weighty like that as you go along. I can only think of one that felt like a clear right/wrong option

It's like, I shouldn't bring war to my desmense, but the Dawnspear gave his life (supposedly, no body was found after all!) to protect Roland and we don't want that to be in vain. Yeah, this is pretty weighty. I don't know the right move.

And I love it. Actual decisions that aren't just "save the orphan or eat the orphan" like a lot of other games lol

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DeadBankerDream
03/16/22 11:58:24 AM
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I felt like giving up Roland is a sure fire way to have no bargaining chip in the bag when the Duke eventually decides to curbstomp Wolffort anyway.

Plus, in the original demo I played both scenarios, and i thought the one where you give him up was kind of dumb.

The game does a good job with the decisions. Though I'm currently in the game's final chapter and I've never failed to get my way and all around me I keep seeing people be bothered by how hard it is to convince people. Not sure what the disconnect is. Maybe you get conviction bonuses on hard mode?

I don't really see much need to lock yourself into a specific conviction. I'm sure there's some super secret bonus stuff if you do, but I've just gone with what I felt was proper. Which most of the time was utility, but some times I certainly have rejected that notion outright. I also think that's what the game wants since in conversation it doesn't colour code your response choices, only in the scales of conviction segments.

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spanky1
03/16/22 12:32:50 PM
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Two questions, does this game have the vibe of Person of Lordly Calibur at all? I know it's a different battle system, im just talking about vibes. And does it have permadeath like Fire Emblem?

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Ivynn
03/16/22 12:36:41 PM
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Can't answer the first one, but this game doesn't have permadeath. I try to keep everyone alive anyway tho.

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Ivynn
03/16/22 4:00:33 PM
#36:


Decided to be a bro and protect Roland. Bring it Aesfrosti scum!

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ellis123
03/16/22 4:02:45 PM
#37:


Ivynn posted...
Decided to be a bro and protect Roland. Bring it Aesfrosti scum!
o7

Protecting him also leads to one of the more fun stages in the game. Without spoiling anything (if you want to even view it as such) try and beat the stage without using any of the traps. The boss is a massive power spike upwards and beating it without getting spanked is a lot of fun.

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Ivynn
03/16/22 4:22:21 PM
#38:


I managed to convince them this time! Excepte Benedict but I didn't bother trying to persuade him. I think I know how to work the conviction system now. I do hope I don't run into a situation where I can't go the path I want but we'll see.

I love how ellipses have sound effects. Thump. Thump. Thump.

I hate the ice twins.

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DeadBankerDream
03/16/22 4:27:48 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I love how ellipses have sound effects. Thump. Thump. Thump.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/313526-triangle-strategy/79945232

It's great. Gives the scenes such ponderous weight.

Ivynn posted...
I hate the ice twins.
They're annoying in that way where they're easy to hate but I wish they were written in a way where I want to hate them rather I just hate when they have screen time.

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ellis123
03/16/22 4:31:39 PM
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Ivynn posted...
I managed to convince them this time! Excepte Benedict but I didn't bother trying to persuade him. I think I know how to work the conviction system now. I do hope I don't run into a situation where I can't go the path I want but we'll see.
Try and persuade everyone that isn't going for the direction you want to go. Even if you fail you get +10 to that direction's conviction. However, make sure to do it only in one direction as attempting to convince people in another direction (even if you purposely fail to make sure that they go with their original desire) reduces that by 10 as well. Think of it like a slider in which each person you try and convince lets you move it in the direction in whichever stat it goes with and you can only get the bonus to one of the two. It's not a ton but most every vote ends with you getting +40 to a given ideology and it adds up.

And yeah, the ellipses sound effect is great. It makes me think of older games prior to voice acting as they had a much bigger grasp on the minor sound touches like that to build immersion.

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Ivynn
03/16/22 4:33:02 PM
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Narve sounds like a girl.

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EmbraceOfDeath
03/16/22 4:34:24 PM
#42:


Ivynn posted...
Decided to be a bro and protect Roland. Bring it Aesfrosti scum!
I tried, but got outvoted lol. I betrayed Aesfrost at the first opportunity, though.

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ellis123
03/16/22 4:35:14 PM
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Narve was voiced by Xanthe Huynh. I have no clue why they decided to have him voiced by a girl but they did.

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Ivynn
03/16/22 4:36:05 PM
#44:


ellis123 posted...
Try and persuade everyone that isn't going for the direction you want to go. Even if you fail you get +10 to that direction's conviction. However, make sure to do it only in one direction as attempting to convince people in another direction (even if you purposely fail to make sure that they go with their original desire) reduces that by 10 as well. Think of it like a slider in which each person you try and convince lets you move it in the direction in whichever stat it goes with and you can only get the bonus to one of the two. It's not a ton but most every vote ends with you getting +40 to a given ideology and it adds up.


Ohhh good to know. So I missed out on conviction points with Benedict. Glad I learned this early. >_>


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DeadBankerDream
03/16/22 4:36:05 PM
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Ah Narve. The first of many units I've never used.

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ellis123
03/16/22 4:49:58 PM
#46:


Ivynn posted...
Ohhh good to know. So I missed out on conviction points with Benedict. Glad I learned this early. >_>
(b ' ')b

That said don't worry too much about the lost points if you have any more than the 10 from Benedict. Most everything is balanced around the dialog ones as they give a massive +50 each while most of the other ways of getting points are +1/2 with the super oddball +10 thrown in for stuff like the votes. Hence why I referred to the points before mostly in the form of how many dialog choices you would need to do in order to get them. The only other way to get any real major bonus is the super weird "be the final vote" condition that really only applies later on and is extremely hard to pull off (for the obvious reason of having seven voters) as it also gives +50. Overall the only one that is kind of reasonable to abuse is the +8 Liberty that comes from buying 10k worth of stuff that you can repeat (so spending 100k is +80 Liberty), but even then it is still much easier to just do a dialog or two for the points.

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Ivynn
03/16/22 7:19:03 PM
#47:


I have to fight the urge to restart every time I lose a unit. This isn't Fire Emblem lol.

Still, I prefer to start over if I lose one too early because then they'll miss out on the experience.

This fight is pretty hard (and slow) if you don't use the traps but I wanna see what happens if I don't.

I've had to take a few breaks in-between if you're wondering why I'm still in Chapter 7. >__>

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DeadBankerDream
03/16/22 7:23:45 PM
#48:


The way exp scaling works in this game, you don't need to worry about characters falling behind. If a character is very underlevelled they gain exp at massively increased rates. Buy some cheap items, like cure pellets or something. If a character is underleveled, at the start of the fight before they reach the enemy or vice versa, just have them throw the item on themselves and they will gain huge exp. If they're very underleveled they just gain a level outright, 100 exp. So sacrificing units is a perfectly good strategy sometimes. In one chapter I intentionally suicided Anna to take out an enemy mage.

Also, just beat the game 15 minutes ago. It's really great. Game of the year.

...It's also the only game of 2022 I've played, but that's besides the point!

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Antifar
03/16/22 7:26:46 PM
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The only characters I haven't really touched are the ones who throw items, Picolletta and the Apothecary whose name I don't recall.

Is there a breakdown of acquiring characters? I'd be curious to know how many are actually missable.

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AngelicRadiance
03/16/22 7:27:19 PM
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Do they ever reveal what a triangle strategy is?

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