Poll of the Day > Watched another Three Kingdoms documentary...

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This one was NOT in favour of Liu Bei, at all, heh - claiming he lost pretty much every battle and fled at every turn and just somehow dumb lucked his way to head of the west, declared himself emperor for no reason, then died.

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I didn't know this period had such divisive opinions

Even the ones in favor of Liu Bei say that he didn't have any talent. He just had a heart of gold and very competent people around him.

What about Cao Pi

Metalsonic66 posted...

What about Cao Pi

This one didn't mention him much since it ended with the death of Lui Bei and they only fought like once...

It didn't mention when Cao Cao died, just that he did and then it moved on... nice footnote bruh :D

Lokarin posted...

This one was NOT in favour of Liu Bei, at all, heh - claiming he lost pretty much every battle and fled at every turn and just somehow dumb lucked his way to head of the west, declared himself emperor for no reason, then died.

So it was an accurate one, then.

Liu Bei was kind of a putz. The only reason you tend to think of him as the hero and Cao Cao as the villain is because Romance of the Three Kingdoms was written from that perspective. But it was historical fiction for a reason. And even at the time it came out people acknowledged that it was full of shit in a lot of ways. Not least because it was written more than a thousand years after the events in question.



Lokarin posted...

I didn't know this period had such divisive opinions

It mostly depends on who is written the account and when. Early accounts tended to be much more sympathetic to Cao Cao because Wei is the kingdom that ultimately went on to become the core of the next dynasty. Though more under the influence of Sima Yi's family than Cao Cao's (and the Sima later outright usurped the throne).

The same is true now, though - you can read plenty of novels where historical figures are presented either more sympathetically or more outright evil than they actually were in the real world, whether you're reading about Ancient Rome, The Crusades, or even War of the Roses/Tudor/Victorian England.

Imagine someone today who knows nothing about history, and who is forming their opinions of historical figures entirely from playing the Assassin's Creed games.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Imagine someone today who knows nothing about history, and who is forming their opinions of historical figures entirely from playing the Assassin's Creed games.

given how many people were assassinated an Assassin's Creed Three Kingdoms game would be pretty cool... (unless that exists already, I haven't played one since Revelations)

How accurate is this map :D

http://mikesrpgcenter.com/destiny/maps/world_small.png

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Imagine someone today who knows nothing about history, and who is forming their opinions of historical figures entirely from playing the Assassin's Creed games.

Better Assassin's Creed than the Fate series.

200 years from now history classes will teach that Jack the Ripper was actually a loli.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

And even at the time it came out people acknowledged that it was full of shit in a lot of ways.

Who did?

Lokarin posted...

How accurate is this map :D

http://mikesrpgcenter.com/destiny/maps/world_small.png

Man those were fun games.

This is making me want to dust off the NES cartridge.

liu bei was a lil bitch

Liu Bei's kindness was greatly exaggerated due to history treating him extremely favorably after the fact, partially due to RotTK. He just lucked out with extremely competent personnel.

Lokarin posted...

This one was NOT in favour of Liu Bei, at all, heh - claiming he lost pretty much every battle and fled at every turn and just somehow dumb lucked his way to head of the west, declared himself emperor for no reason, then died.

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I didn't know this period had such divisive opinions

I don't recall where I heard it but basically the only reason he is apparently remembered fondly is because he is spoken of well in the romance of the three kingdoms story. In reality he was basically a dick who just repeatedly lost and betrayed his family members stealing their land when they tried to be nice to him.

sidenote; Ancient Chinese Warlords had awesome beards... they need to bring beards back!

BlackScythe0 posted...

I don't recall where I heard it but basically the only reason he is apparently remembered fondly is because he is spoken of well in the romance of the three kingdoms story. In reality he was basically a dick who just repeatedly lost and betrayed his family members stealing their land when they tried to be nice to him.

RotTK guy was a MASSIVE Shu simp yeah, which is also why Zhuge Liang is remembered for literally performing magic and doing everything nearly perfectly

agesboy posted...

RotTK guy was a MASSIVE Shu simp yeah, which is also why Zhuge Liang is remembered for literally performing magic and doing everything nearly perfectly

To off set this, Destiny of an Emperor has Si Ma Yi actually use thunder magic and you have to do an off-brand Konami Code to dodge it

Revelation34 posted...

Who did?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms#Historical_accuracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictitious_stories_in_Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms

Also, what's up with DW games making Zhang Fei and Guan Yu shitty when they were some of the fiercest warriors in RotTK?

lihlih posted...

Also, what's up with DW games making Zhang Fei and Guan Yu shitty when they were some of the fiercest warriors in RotTK?

I would guess for the same reason as Destiny of an Emperor, because they're "early" characters

Sima Yi was portrayed as almost equal to but just beneath Zhuge Liang, and only truly won the war because Zhuge Liang succumbed to disease. I think it was stated that in RotTK somewhere that if Zhuge Liang had never existed, Sima Yi would have been as renowned as Zhuge Liang was.

Lokarin posted...

I would guess for the same reason as Destiny of an Emperor, because they're "early" characters

They were the best generals in RT3K NES game. The only one with better power was Lu Bu.

11110111011 posted...

They were the best generals in RT3K NES game. The only one with better power was Lu Bu.

ya, after double checking they do have the 2nd and 3rd best attack stats...

The TAS ends the game with Tai Si Ci, Lu Sun, Ma Chao, and Zhou Yu

ParanoidObsessive posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms#Historical_accuracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictitious_stories_in_Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms

I looked at a random source of saying it was fictional and the source was somebody from 1991.