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CelestialVoices
04/17/22 11:11:33 PM
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ingmar bergman is risen

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TheGoldenEel
04/17/22 11:13:42 PM
#103:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

For example the US civil rights act of 1968 was passed as a direct result of the riots across the country in the wake of MLKs assassination

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DrizztLink
04/17/22 11:16:57 PM
#105:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

If you cut an entire link out of the causal chain, sure.

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TheGoldenEel
04/17/22 11:22:40 PM
#107:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Youre moving the goalposts my friend

just saying your claim that non violence is
THE ONLY WAY TO ENACT POSITIVE CHANGE
is false. doesnt matter who started the violence. Sometimes violence is necessary

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I4NRulez
04/17/22 11:26:20 PM
#108:


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Thats not true, the turning of the tides was the publicity that the sheer violence against the black protestors were getting.

MLK was labeled a communist/socialist and was constantly being told that their protestors were disruptive and would turn people against them. MLK being a hero is revisionist history. The government often painted him as a bad man

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TheGoldenEel
04/17/22 11:41:47 PM
#111:


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personally as a white person I dont feel I get to dictate how an oppressed minority group responds to hatred

knowing little about the situation at hand, I doubt its just specifically one incident that kicked off violence and more a series of events and oppression that led to one specific event being the match that started the fire, so to speak

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GawainNerevar
04/18/22 12:10:10 AM
#112:


Y'all engaging with HypnoCoosh need to realize he's never going to argue in good faith and he's faking all this

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DeadBankerDream
04/18/22 12:26:54 AM
#113:


What's the alternative to allowing the dude to burn the Quran? Ban book burning to appease a religious minority?

Ban being an openly racist asshole?

Obviously Paludan's move is pure provocation and I don't begrudge people falling for it, but the depth to which they fall is pretty disturbing.

The dude couldn't even get enough votes to get elected, his views are not endorsed by anyone.

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Bishop9800
04/18/22 12:35:09 AM
#114:


GawainNerevar posted...
Y'all engaging with HypnoCoosh need to realize he's never going to argue in good faith and he's faking all this

which one is Hypno?

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GawainNerevar
04/18/22 12:35:32 AM
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Bishop9800 posted...
which one is Hypno?
totalnerdken is either Hypno or SageHarpuia. Pretty sure Hypno

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ColdOne666
04/18/22 12:43:41 AM
#117:


JuanCarlos1 posted...
Burning a copy of their bible shouldn't generate this type of response. Its like a trap where they are proving true negative stereotypes of the muslim community by being baited.


Flauros posted...
I saw them attacking a bunch of cops during a peaceful protest. They got into quite the fucking mess.


Gobstoppers12 posted...
You say this as if it's not tens of thousands of dollars of destruction against the livelihoods of people who had nothing to do with any of this shit.

Burning cars will not fix a problem, unless the problem is that there aren't enough cars on fire.


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AssassinFox
04/18/22 12:54:12 AM
#118:


TheGoldenEel posted...
personally as a white person I dont feel I get to dictate how an oppressed minority group responds to hatred

LOL, this whole "I CAN'T SAY IF THEIR ACTIONS ARE WRONG" schtick is so moronic. You might as well just give up on the idea of society, openly state that we can't make laws that apply to everyone, and let the world fall into a state of bellum omnium contra omnes. After all, why should anyone get to tell Person X, who feels aggrieved or offended by something Person Y said or did, that they shouldn't be able to go set Person Y's house on fire in response? Who's to say how they should react?
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Gwynevere
04/18/22 2:16:21 AM
#119:


Kinny100 posted...
it seems the core tenets of Islam are incompatible with western values of free speech/expression/religion
Burn an American flag in front of a bunch of good ol boys and tell me how much they love free speech

Just can't believe they'd let racist trash like this stay up on page 1

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BalanceLost
04/18/22 2:25:47 AM
#120:


The Muslims who engage in this behaviour and take the bait only shoot themselves in the foot. Public opinion was not very immigrant friendly to start with and this is pushing the existing support into the ground. Our next election is in September and the Nationalist party Sverigedemokraterna, which had begun to lose support in the polls for the first time in years, will thrive on this. And if they come to power, it will go downhill fast for non-whites.

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TheGoldenEel
04/18/22 2:46:50 AM
#121:


AssassinFox posted...
LOL, this whole "I CAN'T SAY IF THEIR ACTIONS ARE WRONG" schtick is so moronic. You might as well just give up on the idea of society, openly state that we can't make laws that apply to everyone, and let the world fall into a state of bellum omnium contra omnes. After all, why should anyone get to tell Person X, who feels aggrieved or offended by something Person Y said or did, that they shouldn't be able to go set Person Y's house on fire in response? Who's to say how they should react?
Were not talking about a person, were talking about a large group of people

if it was just a person, yeah sure maybe theres something wrong with that person

when a collective decides theres cause to riot theres something bigger at play and its up to society to rectify it

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AssassinFox
04/18/22 3:16:00 AM
#122:


Gwynevere posted...
Burn an American flag in front of a bunch of good ol boys and tell me how much they love free speech

Just can't believe they'd let racist trash like this stay up on page 1

That's not really an argument. "Well, some terrible people in your country don't really like free speech, either!" No shit. That's why it's a good thing that freedom of speech is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and the theocrats and rednecks haven't been able to rewrite it yet. And sorry, but certain religious values are incompatible with freedom of speech, expression, and religion. That's why Western democratic governments are overwhelmingly de facto or de jure secular and why religious fundamentalists (whether they're Christians, Muslims, or believers in some other faith) seek to attack the division between church and state whenever they can.

Also, criticizing Islam doesn't make someone a racist.

TheGoldenEel posted...
Were not talking about a person, were talking about a large group of people

if it was just a person, yeah sure maybe theres something wrong with that person

when a collective decides theres cause to riot theres something bigger at play and its up to society to rectify it

How do you know that one person's "lived experience" doesn't justify their actions? Maybe they really are feeling oppressed by someone in their life. Who's to say how they feel? Who's to say that their feelings are invalid? Who's to say what they should or shouldn't do in response? That's exactly your mentality here. You're saying that 1) how people feel should take priority over the law and the rights of others and 2) no one else can judge them for whatever they do. As I said before, that is a recipe for anarchy.

Also, I love the logic in your last sentence. You do realize that the January 6th insurrectionists amounted to a "collective" that decided there was a reason to riot, right? I guess you're well on your way to justifying their actions, too, or at least saying that we can't judge them.
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Kinny100
04/18/22 3:34:01 AM
#123:


AssassinFox posted...
Also, criticizing Islam doesn't make someone a racist.
correct

for one, islam isn't a race/ethnicity lmao

CE moronic as always

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scar the 1
04/18/22 3:48:58 AM
#124:


BalanceLost posted...
The Muslims who engage in this behaviour and take the bait only shoot themselves in the foot. Public opinion was not very immigrant friendly to start with and this is pushing the existing support into the ground. Our next election is in September and the Nationalist party Sverigedemokraterna, which had begun to lose support in the polls for the first time in years, will thrive on this. And if they come to power, it will go downhill fast for non-whites.
This is true. But it's also not on the map of what they care about. The people doing this are mostly young men. And the reason is a lot more than just Paludan burning the Quran. They've grown up being racially profiled and abused by the police, had their schools underfunded or shut down, local healthcare services shut down, etc etc. They somewhat rightly feel that society is excluding them. They also see either themselves or friends/acquaintances being targeted on the suspicion of selling drugs, but the rich kid buyers come away scot free. And so on. With this context, it's not hard to understand why Paludan getting a police and Spo (secret service type police) escort from town to town just to shit on them is the straw that breaks the camel's back.

You say that they're shooting themselves in the foot, which I would agree with from a perspective of parliamentary politics. But these folks have been shut out of society during governments of both colors, and I think it's fair to say that their trust in our democracy is justifiably low.

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David1988
04/18/22 3:51:29 AM
#125:


TheGoldenEel posted...
Were not talking about a person, were talking about a large group of people

if it was just a person, yeah sure maybe theres something wrong with that person

when a collective decides theres cause to riot theres something bigger at play and its up to society to rectify it

wtf? A collective of Muslims didn't decide to riot over a copy of the Quran being burned, it was just a handful of overly zealous types like you have with any other religious group.

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scar the 1
04/18/22 3:52:07 AM
#126:


DeadBankerDream posted...
What's the alternative to allowing the dude to burn the Quran? Ban book burning to appease a religious minority?

Ban being an openly racist asshole?

Obviously Paludan's move is pure provocation and I don't begrudge people falling for it, but the depth to which they fall is pretty disturbing.

The dude couldn't even get enough votes to get elected, his views are not endorsed by anyone.
Like I mentioned above the reason for the riots are deeper than just him burning a book. But I definitely think this has been handled very poorly by Swedish authorities. They could have just not granted him a permit given that his explicit purpose all along was to incite violence (like they do in Denmark). Or they could have done what we do in Skne regularly which is grant the permit but relocate him so he gets to do his shit in some white suburb where no one cares and there aren't Muslims celebrating Ramadan across the street.

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HolierThanMao
04/18/22 3:53:45 AM
#127:


scar the 1 posted...
their trust in our democracy is justifiably low.
so you're saying the rioting is justified?

the people doing this need to be uprooted and removed from society, not mollycoddled and told that they're in the right
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scar the 1
04/18/22 4:04:42 AM
#128:


HolierThanMao posted...
so you're saying the rioting is justified?

the people doing this need to be uprooted and removed from society, not mollycoddled and told that they're in the right
No, I'm saying that their low trust in a system that oppresses them is justified. In the very same post I agreed with BL that I don't think the riots are doing anything good.

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Hornezz
04/18/22 4:22:08 AM
#129:


Paludan is danish, not dutch. We have our own assholes like that, no need to attribute him to us.

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MrMallard
04/18/22 4:29:38 AM
#130:


AssassinFox posted...
criticizing Islam doesn't make someone a racist.
Criticizing Islam doesn't make someone a bigot, but threatening to burn their holy book does. Let's face it, this douchebag antagonized a religious minority to get this type of reaction so he could point at their indignation and go "see! look, they really are violent, hostile people who won't assimilate into our culture! we should enact laws making it harder for them to move and live here!"

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Ricemills
04/18/22 5:15:39 AM
#131:


Gwynevere posted...
Just can't believe they'd let racist trash like this stay up on page 1

in gamefaqs, racism is ok if it's against Muslim and/or Arabs.

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pinky0926
04/18/22 5:22:15 AM
#132:


This entire topic is a great example of how much spin all of the news we're receiving is being filtered through.

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dan da man
04/18/22 8:15:00 AM
#133:


Paladun is a neo Nazi paedophile.

Why are pedos so accepted on the far right?

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spikethedevil
04/18/22 8:23:28 AM
#134:


How the fuck is post 24 still up?

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MaxEffingBemis
04/18/22 8:31:40 AM
#135:


Bump

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AssassinFox
04/18/22 11:44:54 AM
#136:


MrMallard posted...
Criticizing Islam doesn't make someone a bigot, but threatening to burn their holy book does.

No, that alone doesn't make you a bigot. In a free society, you're allowed to mock a person's religion and burn a copy of their "holy" book if you want to.

Also, I was responding to a comment calling this thread "racist trash." Neither I nor the person to whom I responded was referring to the politician who burned the Koran.

MrMallard posted...
Let's face it, this douchebag antagonized a religious minority to get this type of reaction so he could point at their indignation and go "see! look, they really are violent, hostile people who won't assimilate into our culture! we should enact laws making it harder for them to move and live here!"

And they sure played right into his hands, didn't they?

Look, I'm not going to pretend that a small number of Christians in the West might not react the same way. But when there was that whole controversy over "Piss Christ" years and years ago, I don't recall Christians committing arson and rioting over it. They protested and acted stupidly, sure, but that's fine. I can't remember a Christian group marching into the office of a newspaper that published something they found offensive and murdering its staff or killing filmmakers they dislike. It's not a matter of race; it's just that conservative/fundamentalist Islam is incompatible with democratic principles like freedom of speech. Hopefully the trend in the near future will be toward a more moderate or liberal interpretation of Islam.
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spikethedevil
04/18/22 11:47:55 AM
#137:


spikethedevil posted...
How the fuck is post 24 still up?

Are the mods asleep or something?

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Gobstoppers12
04/18/22 12:02:48 PM
#138:


TheGoldenEel posted...
when a collective decides theres cause to riot theres something bigger at play and its up to society to rectify it
... this logic isn't exactly flawless. Sometimes people riot for bad reasons, too.

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04/18/22 12:15:01 PM
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scar the 1
04/18/22 12:26:50 PM
#140:


AssassinFox posted...
Also, I was responding to a comment calling this thread "racist trash." Neither I nor the person to whom I responded was referring to the politician who burned the Koran.
It's weird to refer to Paludan as simply a "politician". He's a neonazi and a pedophile. Moreover, he's publically admitted that the subsequent riots was his goal all along. I don't think it'd be entirely wrong to call him a terrorist.

AssassinFox posted...
I can't remember a Christian group marching into the office of a newspaper that published something they found offensive and murdering its staff or killing filmmakers they dislike. It's not a matter of race; it's just that conservative/fundamentalist Islam is incompatible with democratic principles like freedom of speech. Hopefully the trend in the near future will be toward a more moderate or liberal interpretation of Islam.
Ok but this is not Charlie Hebdo. These riots aren't committed by religious fundamentalists, but by angry and disenfranchised youths. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to any religion.

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AssassinFox
04/18/22 12:37:57 PM
#141:


scar the 1 posted...
It's weird to refer to Paludan as simply a "politician". He's a neonazi and a pedophile. Moreover, he's publically admitted that the subsequent riots was his goal all along. I don't think it'd be entirely wrong to call him a terrorist.

Fair enough. Still, the rioters played directly into his hands by getting offended to the degree that they set cars on fire over the proposed desecration of their "holy" book.

scar the 1 posted...
Ok but this is not Charlie Hebdo. These riots aren't committed by religious fundamentalists, but by angry and disenfranchised youths. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to any religion.

This isn't that far removed from the Charlie Hebdo killings. The rioters' actions clearly stem from being hypersensitive to criticism and mockery of Islam. And if your thesis were true, we should see angry, disenfranchised Christian youths (and yes, they do exist) rioting over comedians making fun of Christianity. Funny how that's not happening.
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scar the 1
04/18/22 12:42:18 PM
#142:


It is quite far removed from the Charlie Hebdo killings. They were clear acts of terrorism by a violent terrorist group. These riots are by regular angry, disenfranchised youths.

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BalanceLost
04/18/22 1:27:04 PM
#143:


scar the 1 posted...
It is quite far removed from the Charlie Hebdo killings. They were clear acts of terrorism by a violent terrorist group. These riots are by regular angry, disenfranchised youths.
This Leftist call it a type of terrorism:

https://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/a/mr9plq/valdsverkare-maste-gripas-och-straffas

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AssassinFox
04/18/22 1:29:34 PM
#144:


scar the 1 posted...
It is quite far removed from the Charlie Hebdo killings. They were clear acts of terrorism by a violent terrorist group. These riots are by regular angry, disenfranchised youths.

Both groups got pissed off and resorted to violence because somebody disrespected their special book.
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Ilishe
04/18/22 1:30:41 PM
#146:


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It does? Hasn't happened in my part of it. Ever.

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scar the 1
04/18/22 1:35:13 PM
#147:


BalanceLost posted...
This Leftist call it a type of terrorism:

https://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/a/mr9plq/valdsverkare-maste-gripas-och-straffas
While I disagree, surely you can see that it's different from the Charlie Hebdo killings?

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scar the 1
04/18/22 1:46:06 PM
#148:


AssassinFox posted...
Both groups got pissed off and resorted to violence because somebody disrespected their special book.
Like I've said several times ITT, Paludan's stunt and it being sanctioned by the police were the spark that lit the flame. Riots don't happen out of the blue because someone does something disrespectful. The Charlie Hebdo killings were deliberate and premeditate murders.

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AssassinFox
04/18/22 1:48:17 PM
#149:


scar the 1 posted...
Riots don't happen out of the blue because someone does something disrespectful.

Sounds like that's exactly what happened here.

scar the 1 posted...
The Charlie Hebdo killings were deliberate and premeditate murders.

And in that case, "the spark that lit the flame" was the publishing of cartoons that hurt the killers' feelings.
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scar the 1
04/18/22 2:03:53 PM
#150:


AssassinFox posted...
And in that case, "the spark that lit the flame" was the publishing of cartoons that hurt the killers' feelings
Has a terror organization publically announced that they deliberately planned and executed the various riots?

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