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AssassinFox 04/18/22 2:13:35 PM #151:	scar the 1 posted... Has a terror organization publically announced that they deliberately planned and executed the various riots? It doesn't matter. Yes, the Charlie Hebdo attack was deliberately planned and executed. The riots in Sweden were not, as far as we know. Either way, both of them were fundamentalist overreactions to expressions of "disrespect" towards Islam, expressions which are protected by law in free societies. <cite>AssassinFox posted [p:964380903] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>Has a terror organization publically announced that they deliberately planned and executed the various riots?</quote> It doesn't matter. Yes, the Charlie Hebdo attack was deliberately planned and executed. The riots in Sweden were not, as far as we know. Either way, both of them were fundamentalist overreactions to expressions of "disrespect" towards Islam, expressions which are protected by law in free societies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 04/18/22 2:27:17 PM #152:	AssassinFox posted... It doesn't matter. Yes, the Charlie Hebdo attack was deliberately planned and executed. The riots in Sweden were not, as far as we know. Either way, both of them were fundamentalist overreactions to expressions of "disrespect" towards Islam, expressions which are protected by law in free societies. And again you have no idea what you're talking about, these aren't fundamentalists, these are angry young men who are feeling more and more excluded and oppressed by the society they live in. The anger isn't just over a book burning. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:964381262] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>AssassinFox posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't matter. Yes, the Charlie Hebdo attack was deliberately planned and executed. The riots in Sweden were not, as far as we know. Either way, both of them were fundamentalist overreactions to expressions of "disrespect" towards Islam, expressions which are protected by law in free societies.</quote>And again you have no idea what you're talking about, these aren't fundamentalists, these are angry young men who are feeling more and more excluded and oppressed by the society they live in. The anger isn't just over a book burning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BalanceLost 04/18/22 3:09:19 PM #153:	scar the 1 posted... And again you have no idea what you're talking about, these aren't fundamentalists, these are angry young men who are feeling more and more excluded and oppressed by the society they live in. The anger isn't just over a book burning. If you send neighbours and police officers to the hospital and destroy property in this way then youre a fundie. The police say that several leading figures behind the riots in different cities are connected to gang activity as well. All the hard working immigrants, including muslims, in these neighbourhoods who live their lives in peace and dont engage in these criminal attacks are victims. They live under this so called oppression you talk about yet dont injure people and burn cars and destroy property. The criminal fundies are not victims. --- "BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrix <cite>BalanceLost posted [p:964382304] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>And again you have no idea what you're talking about, these aren't fundamentalists, these are angry young men who are feeling more and more excluded and oppressed by the society they live in. The anger isn't just over a book burning.</quote>If you send neighbours and police officers to the hospital and destroy property in this way then youre a fundie. The police say that several leading figures behind the riots in different cities are connected to gang activity as well. All the hard working immigrants, including muslims, in these neighbourhoods who live their lives in peace and dont engage in these criminal attacks are victims. They live under this so called oppression you talk about yet dont injure people and burn cars and destroy property. The criminal fundies are not victims. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AssassinFox 04/18/22 3:45:28 PM #154:	scar the 1 posted... And again you have no idea what you're talking about, these aren't fundamentalists, these are angry young men who are feeling more and more excluded and oppressed by the society they live in. The anger isn't just over a book burning. But it is largely about a book burning. And yes, I'm sure they're so oppressed living in one of the most liberal countries on Earth with one of the strongest social safety nets they could possibly ask for. <cite>AssassinFox posted [p:964383234] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>And again you have no idea what you're talking about, these aren't fundamentalists, these are angry young men who are feeling more and more excluded and oppressed by the society they live in. The anger isn't just over a book burning.</quote> But it is largely about a book burning. And yes, I'm sure they're so oppressed living in one of the most liberal countries on Earth with one of the strongest social safety nets they could possibly ask for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 04/18/22 3:49:56 PM #155:	AssassinFox posted... That's not really an argument It is when the original implication is that free speech and freedom of religion are universal western values. While we do have those things written into the constitution, you're either blind or a liar if you claim that those values are consistently upheld. For many years in the US, and to a lesser degree today, stepping outside the cultural norms would get you ostracized or worse. Anyone not Christian was a godless heathen, being black or gay would get you barred from employment, assaulted, arrested, or killed. Hell, just speaking up against the war in Iraq during the post 9/11 fervor put a target on your back. Just because we have freedom of speech and religion on paper, does not mean the people participating in society don't desire conformity to the norm. As for your insane ramblings about certain religions being incompatible with free speech and religion, I've known plenty of Muslims through school that have been nothing but respectful to me, a bisexual atheist, so you're just reaching as far up as you can up your ass to pull stuff out on that one. Pretty typical of people that have very few interactions with real people from these groups --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:964383341] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>AssassinFox posted... </cite> <quote>That's not really an argument</quote>It is when the original implication is that free speech and freedom of religion are universal western values. While we do have those things written into the constitution, you're either blind or a liar if you claim that those values are consistently upheld. For many years in the US, and to a lesser degree today, stepping outside the cultural norms would get you ostracized or worse. Anyone not Christian was a godless heathen, being black or gay would get you barred from employment, assaulted, arrested, or killed. Hell, just speaking up against the war in Iraq during the post 9/11 fervor put a target on your back. Just because we have freedom of speech and religion on paper, does not mean the people participating in society don't desire conformity to the norm. As for your insane ramblings about certain religions being incompatible with free speech and religion, I've known plenty of Muslims through school that have been nothing but respectful to me, a bisexual atheist, so you're just reaching as far up as you can up your ass to pull stuff out on that one. Pretty typical of people that have very few interactions with real people from these groups </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AssassinFox 04/18/22 4:15:00 PM #156:	Gwynevere posted... It is when the original implication is that free speech and freedom of religion are universal western values. While we do have those things written into the constitution, you're either blind or a liar if you claim that those values are consistently upheld. For many years in the US, and to a lesser degree today, stepping outside the cultural norms would get you ostracized or worse. Anyone not Christian was a godless heathen, being black or gay would get you barred from employment, assaulted, arrested, or killed. Hell, just speaking up against the war in Iraq during the post 9/11 fervor put a target on your back. Just because we have freedom of speech and religion on paper, does not mean the people participating in society don't desire conformity to the norm. I'm not claiming that those values are consistently upheld by everyone in our society. But they are written into the Constitution and legally respected. As bluecheck libs on Twitter love to constantly remind everyone, private entities do not have to respect your freedom of speech; however, the government does. And freedom of speech is one of the freedoms that's been most strongly upheld and respected by the courts since the founding of the United States, with the exception of a few very short periods (the Civil War and WWI come to mind) where it took some damage before being restored. Also, as someone who openly opposed the War in Iraq as a teenager and caught hell for it at school, I don't need you to remind me about it. Gwynevere posted... As for your insane ramblings about certain religions being incompatible with free speech and religion, That's not what I said. Reread it: AssassinFox posted... And sorry, but certain religious values [emphasis added] are incompatible with freedom of speech, expression, and religion. That's why Western democratic governments are overwhelmingly de facto or de jure secular and why religious fundamentalists [emphasis added] (whether they're Christians, Muslims, or believers in some other faith) seek to attack the division between church and state whenever they can. I'm saying that certain religious values, the ones fundamentalists hold most dear, are incompatible with freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Moderate Christians and Muslims frequently downplay or completely ignore the parts of their scriptures and tenets of their faith that conflict with their personal consciences and the laws and value systems of the societies in which they live. They're neither intellectually honest nor consistent regarding their faiths, but they're willing to revise their beliefs and practices in order to avoid conflicts between their religion and society. Fundamentalists are generally unwilling to do so. <cite>AssassinFox posted [p:964383899] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>It is when the original implication is that free speech and freedom of religion are universal western values. While we do have those things written into the constitution, you're either blind or a liar if you claim that those values are consistently upheld. For many years in the US, and to a lesser degree today, stepping outside the cultural norms would get you ostracized or worse. Anyone not Christian was a godless heathen, being black or gay would get you barred from employment, assaulted, arrested, or killed. Hell, just speaking up against the war in Iraq during the post 9/11 fervor put a target on your back. Just because we have freedom of speech and religion on paper, does not mean the people participating in society don't desire conformity to the norm.</quote> I'm not claiming that those values are consistently upheld by everyone in our society. But they are written into the Constitution and legally respected. As bluecheck libs on Twitter love to constantly remind everyone, private entities do not have to respect your freedom of speech; however, the government does. And freedom of speech is one of the freedoms that's been most strongly upheld and respected by the courts since the founding of the United States, with the exception of a few very short periods (the Civil War and WWI come to mind) where it took some damage before being restored. Also, as someone who openly opposed the War in Iraq as a teenager and caught hell for it at school, I don't need you to remind me about it. Gwynevere posted... </cite> <quote>As for your insane ramblings about certain religions being incompatible with free speech and religion, </quote> That's not what I said. Reread it: AssassinFox posted... </cite> <quote>And sorry, but certain religious values [emphasis added] are incompatible with freedom of speech, expression, and religion. That's why Western democratic governments are overwhelmingly de facto or de jure secular and why religious fundamentalists [emphasis added] (whether they're Christians, Muslims, or believers in some other faith) seek to attack the division between church and state whenever they can.</quote> I'm saying that certain religious values, the ones fundamentalists hold most dear, are incompatible with freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Moderate Christians and Muslims frequently downplay or completely ignore the parts of their scriptures and tenets of their faith that conflict with their personal consciences and the laws and value systems of the societies in which they live. They're neither intellectually honest nor consistent regarding their faiths, but they're willing to revise their beliefs and practices in order to avoid conflicts between their religion and society. Fundamentalists are generally unwilling to do so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 04/18/22 4:25:56 PM #157:	BalanceLost posted... If you send neighbours and police officers to the hospital and destroy property in this way then youre a fundie. The police say that several leading figures behind the riots in different cities are connected to gang activity as well. All the hard working immigrants, including muslims, in these neighbourhoods who live their lives in peace and dont engage in these criminal attacks are victims. They live under this so called oppression you talk about yet dont injure people and burn cars and destroy property. The criminal fundies are not victims. What's the point of calling them fundamentalists just because they're rioting? Are the BLM protesters who were provoked by the police fundies? The ones who did the Husby riots? The Gothenburg riots in 99? The Paris riots in 05-06? It's perfectly fine to find these acts despicable without falling into Paludan's trap and labeling it as Islamic fundamentalism. It's also not an excuse to look at the bigger picture and try to understand the roots of their rage. I think I've been pretty clear here that while their rage may be justified, their actions are not. And you can reach that conclusion without creating the dichotomy of good immigrants and bad immigrants. Yes, the police say that several of the leading figures are related to gang activities. This is pretty much in line with what we know about gang related violence in general - the ones acting out the most are young men. You've likely seen the same hopeless cries for help that I have, from schools, soc offices, etc, about how they're almost literally watching kids in suburbs get recruited in front of their noses, but they don't have enough resources to help. Of course it's connected! And of course poor, racialized people in the suburb are victims, in a broad sense, of systematic oppression. But ascribing victimhood is not providing an excuse. Much in the same way that it's not an excuse to point out that domestic abusers were often victims of abuse themselves. I respect you BL, and I expect you to be capable of that level of nuance. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:964384165] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>BalanceLost posted... </cite> <quote>If you send neighbours and police officers to the hospital and destroy property in this way then youre a fundie. The police say that several leading figures behind the riots in different cities are connected to gang activity as well. All the hard working immigrants, including muslims, in these neighbourhoods who live their lives in peace and dont engage in these criminal attacks are victims. They live under this so called oppression you talk about yet dont injure people and burn cars and destroy property. The criminal fundies are not victims.</quote>What's the point of calling them fundamentalists just because they're rioting? Are the BLM protesters who were provoked by the police fundies? The ones who did the Husby riots? The Gothenburg riots in 99? The Paris riots in 05-06? It's perfectly fine to find these acts despicable without falling into Paludan's trap and labeling it as Islamic fundamentalism. It's also not an excuse to look at the bigger picture and try to understand the roots of their rage. I think I've been pretty clear here that while their rage may be justified, their actions are not. And you can reach that conclusion without creating the dichotomy of good immigrants and bad immigrants. Yes, the police say that several of the leading figures are related to gang activities. This is pretty much in line with what we know about gang related violence in general - the ones acting out the most are young men. You've likely seen the same hopeless cries for help that I have, from schools, soc offices, etc, about how they're almost literally watching kids in suburbs get recruited in front of their noses, but they don't have enough resources to help. Of course it's connected! And of course poor, racialized people in the suburb are victims, in a broad sense, of systematic oppression. But ascribing victimhood is not providing an excuse. Much in the same way that it's not an excuse to point out that domestic abusers were often victims of abuse themselves. I respect you BL, and I expect you to be capable of that level of nuance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mist_Turnips 04/18/22 4:32:59 PM #158:	Religion of stupidity --- "They say if you don't hide your belly button, lightning could take it away from you! What would happen if it did?" http://i.imgur.com/G74y2NJ.png <cite>Mist_Turnips posted [p:964384331] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Religion of stupidity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 04/18/22 4:37:07 PM #159:	Way to prove the idiot right by acting like animals over the threat of a book being burned. It'd be one thing if there was actual violence being committed against Muslims there, but burning a simple book isn't violent --- A real man oughta be a little stupid. Ryuji Goda, Yakuza 2 <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:964384422] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Way to prove the idiot right by acting like animals over the threat of a book being burned. It'd be one thing if there was actual violence being committed against Muslims there, but burning a simple book isn't violent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 04/18/22 4:42:00 PM #160:	gmanthebest posted... but burning a simple book isn't violent True, but it can insight it --- There's enough attention whores on CE already <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:964384532] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite> <quote>but burning a simple book isn't violent</quote> True, but it can insight it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/18/22 4:42:56 PM #161:	Organized religion does not deserve respect. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:964384559] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Organized religion does not deserve respect. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 04/18/22 4:48:19 PM #162:	Bishop9800 posted... True, but it can insight it Maybe the idiots who get violent over a book being burnt should control themselves --- A real man oughta be a little stupid. Ryuji Goda, Yakuza 2 <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:964384707] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted... </cite> <quote>True, but it can insight it</quote>Maybe the idiots who get violent over a book being burnt should control themselves </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHRlKE 04/18/22 4:50:37 PM #163:	IdiotMachine posted... Did I get this right: A dutch politician, in support of a swedish politician, threatened to burn the Quran, and now the Muslim population in Sweden is rioting and burning cars? not that I wanna what about but we are hardly one to talk. Text books are getting banned in the US over stupid reasons and there will be riots over it mark my words. <cite>SHRlKE posted [p:964384750] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>IdiotMachine posted... </cite> <quote>Did I get this right: A dutch politician, in support of a swedish politician, threatened to burn the Quran, and now the Muslim population in Sweden is rioting and burning cars?</quote> not that I wanna what about but we are hardly one to talk. Text books are getting banned in the US over stupid reasons and there will be riots over it mark my words. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seaman_Prime 04/18/22 5:01:33 PM #164:	oh great my two of my favorite things in the world, corrupt, amoral, politicians and religious zealousy. Condolences to the Swedes who have to deal with this shit. <cite>Seaman_Prime posted [p:964385007] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>oh great my two of my favorite things in the world, corrupt, amoral, politicians and religious zealousy. Condolences to the Swedes who have to deal with this shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 04/18/22 5:12:54 PM #165:	gmanthebest posted... Maybe the idiots who get violent over a book being burnt should control themselves Tell that to people in Tennessee --- There's enough attention whores on CE already <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:964385251] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe the idiots who get violent over a book being burnt should control themselves</quote> Tell that to people in Tennessee </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 04/18/22 5:17:50 PM #166:	Bishop9800 posted... Tell that to people in Tennessee Absolutely. Not really sure what this has to do with the issue at hand though. Sorry I'm not a hypocrite though --- A real man oughta be a little stupid. Ryuji Goda, Yakuza 2 <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:964385377] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted... </cite> <quote>Tell that to people in Tennessee</quote>Absolutely. Not really sure what this has to do with the issue at hand though. Sorry I'm not a hypocrite though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IdiotMachine 04/18/22 5:26:30 PM #167:	https://v.redd.it/rzdlhmqjdbu81 There's a video of Swedish police shooting at the protestors. Wow. --- https://i.imgur.com/XNEdLrJ.png <cite>IdiotMachine posted [p:964385624] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>https://v.redd.it/rzdlhmqjdbu81 There's a video of Swedish police shooting at the protestors. Wow. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 04/18/22 5:30:07 PM #168:	gmanthebest posted... Absolutely. Not really sure what this has to do with the issue at hand though. Books have significant value to people. Some people are ready to die for those words on paper --- There's enough attention whores on CE already <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:964385712] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite> <quote>Absolutely. Not really sure what this has to do with the issue at hand though. </quote> Books have significant value to people. Some people are ready to die for those words on paper </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 04/18/22 5:33:44 PM #169:	Bishop9800 posted... Books have significant value to people. Some people are ready to die for those words on paper Good for them. They should try acting like adults instead of children --- A real man oughta be a little stupid. Ryuji Goda, Yakuza 2 <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:964385803] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted... </cite> <quote>Books have significant value to people. Some people are ready to die for those words on paper</quote>Good for them. They should try acting like adults instead of children </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 04/18/22 6:01:38 PM #170:	I haven't really been paying attention to the nitty gritty details of this story, but I just watched a segment and apparently Rasmus Paludan is giving up entering Danish politics and is instead going for Swedish electorial success? I thought he was just there to rabble rouse with his pan-Scandinavian brothers, but this is great news! It took a couple of centuries, but FINALLY Sweden has become useful to us. Thanks! --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:964386478] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>I haven't really been paying attention to the nitty gritty details of this story, but I just watched a segment and apparently Rasmus Paludan is giving up entering Danish politics and is instead going for Swedish electorial success? I thought he was just there to rabble rouse with his pan-Scandinavian brothers, but this is great news! It took a couple of centuries, but FINALLY Sweden has become useful to us. Thanks! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinny100 04/18/22 6:32:45 PM #171:	people are too sensitive when it comes to symbols including americans who think flag burning should be a crime, which goes against what america was founded upon -- the absolute right to political free speech/expression --- http://i.imgur.com/riPcH.jpg <cite>Kinny100 posted [p:964387211] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>people are too sensitive when it comes to symbols including americans who think flag burning should be a crime, which goes against what america was founded upon -- the absolute right to political free speech/expression </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Azardea 04/18/22 9:01:51 PM #172:	Religious nutcases. Fuck these morons. <cite>Azardea posted [p:964390721] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Religious nutcases. Fuck these morons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/18/22 9:10:01 PM #173:	Kinny100 posted... people are too sensitive when it comes to symbols including americans who think flag burning should be a crime, which goes against what america was founded upon -- the absolute right to political free speech/expression As dumb as this anger is, importance of symbols is what makes them symbols. I don't know why people think they're so smart and cool for not valuing words or symbols, as if they haven't been important and meant things since the dawn of man. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:964390931] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>Kinny100 posted... </cite> <quote>people are too sensitive when it comes to symbols including americans who think flag burning should be a crime, which goes against what america was founded upon -- the absolute right to political free speech/expression</quote>As dumb as this anger is, importance of symbols is what makes them symbols. I don't know why people think they're so smart and cool for not valuing words or symbols, as if they haven't been important and meant things since the dawn of man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 04/18/22 9:14:20 PM #174:	I'll never understand the full context of what is currently happening in Sweden and so I don't think I should really have a strong opinion on it. I've seen the stupid comments made about my country on the internet that stem from surface level understandings and clickbait and there's likely a lot of complicated stuff that has lead to this. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:964391032] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>I'll never understand the full context of what is currently happening in Sweden and so I don't think I should really have a strong opinion on it. I've seen the stupid comments made about my country on the internet that stem from surface level understandings and clickbait and there's likely a lot of complicated stuff that has lead to this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 04/19/22 12:32:54 AM #176:	DeadBankerDream posted... I haven't really been paying attention to the nitty gritty details of this story, but I just watched a segment and apparently Rasmus Paludan is giving up entering Danish politics and is instead going for Swedish electorial success? I thought he was just there to rabble rouse with his pan-Scandinavian brothers, but this is great news! It took a couple of centuries, but FINALLY Sweden has become useful to us. Thanks! :( Please take him back, he's your pedo --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:964395138] in wtf is goi... [t:79988965]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>I haven't really been paying attention to the nitty gritty details of this story, but I just watched a segment and apparently Rasmus Paludan is giving up entering Danish politics and is instead going for Swedish electorial success? I thought he was just there to rabble rouse with his pan-Scandinavian brothers, but this is great news! It took a couple of centuries, but FINALLY Sweden has become useful to us. Thanks!</quote>:( Please take him back, he's your pedo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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