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NeonOctopus
04/21/22 5:26:07 AM
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His only useful spell is Esuna. Cure and Cura heal so little that it's basically a waste of a turn. And everything else like Libra and Teleport are whatever cuz how often do you ever use those spells?

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 5:27:15 AM
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because the whole game has piss poor mechanics

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spikethedevil
04/21/22 5:27:18 AM
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Because hes a Paladin not a mage.

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 5:27:50 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Because hes a Paladin not a mage.
stfu you don't know what you're talking about

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spikethedevil
04/21/22 5:28:25 AM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
stfu you don't know what you're talking about

Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?


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catboy2
04/21/22 5:29:23 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
I'm not mad you're just wrong

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spikethedevil
04/21/22 5:31:06 AM
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Then explain why Im wrong without switching accounts and acting like a child about it.

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 5:32:55 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Then explain why Im wrong without switching accounts and acting like a child about it.
how am I acting like a child for saying you're wrong dude? Cecil should have had much more power as a paladin and didn't. grow up btw

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spikethedevil
04/21/22 5:36:35 AM
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Lol grow up says the guy being needlessly confrontational. In terms of how FF classes work and game balance its literally because hes a paladin. Hell hes technically a very new paladin at that.

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The_Korey
04/21/22 5:37:10 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Because hes a Paladin not a mage.

Still an unhealthy balance. You don't wan't your mage warriors making your pure mages redundant, but you also don't want magic as a whole to be a waste of time on mage warriors.

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catboy2
04/21/22 5:37:18 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Lol grow up says the guy being needlessly confrontational. In terms of how FF classes work and game balance its literally because hes a paladin. Hell hes technically a very new paladin at that.
how was I being needlessly confrontational? don't project

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spikethedevil
04/21/22 5:39:31 AM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
stfu you don't know what you're talking about

Yeah this is pretty needlessly confrontational for absolutely no reason. And stick to one account ffs.

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catboy2
04/21/22 5:40:37 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Yeah this is pretty needlessly confrontational for absolutely no reason. And stick to one account ffs.
you made your point and I disagreed with it. don't get all pissy because I wasn't friendly with you about it
if it makes you feel better I'm sorry that you feel that way okay?

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The_Korey
04/21/22 5:42:19 AM
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catboy2 posted...
how was I being needlessly confrontational? don't project
catboy2 posted...
you made your point and I disagreed with it. don't get all pissy because I wasn't friendly with you about it

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spikethedevil
04/21/22 5:46:56 AM
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The_Korey posted...
... are you OK?

I think hes just trolling at this point.

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catboy2
04/21/22 5:49:50 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
I think hes just trolling at this point.
you think everyone that disagrees with you is a troll?

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catboy2
04/21/22 5:50:36 AM
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the point is that Cecil should have had much more spirit and effect to cast healing spells

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greyfox747
04/21/22 5:55:50 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
I think hes just trolling at this point.
Hes so drunk that he cant see. This is the catboy special

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Fluttershy
04/21/22 5:58:01 AM
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first off, exit is a good spell. exit and esuna are useful and cecil actually having a shred of utility for a third of his list is kinda okay.

second if you want to make him a stronger caster put robes and a rune ring and a wizard hat on him.

cecil's heals are basically rechargeable potions between save points. estus flasks.

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 6:01:19 AM
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Fluttershy posted...
first off, exit is a good spell. exit and esuna are useful and cecil actually having a shred of utility for a third of his list is kinda okay.

second if you want to make him a stronger caster put robes and a rune ring and a wizard hat on him.

cecil's heals are basically rechargeable potions between save points. estus flasks.
nah, there's zero excuse for how weak cecils healing magic was

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Fluttershy
04/21/22 6:03:50 AM
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if you don't have an argument why post

oh, right, the attention-seeking thing. i forgot who you were. never mind me.

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 6:04:38 AM
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Fluttershy posted...
if you don't have an argument why post

oh, right, the attention-seeking thing. i forgot who you were. never mind me.
excuse you
I've always had a problem with how weak cecils healing magic was

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 6:06:44 AM
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assumptions tho m i rite

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spikethedevil
04/21/22 6:43:20 AM
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catboy2 posted...
you think everyone that disagrees with you is a troll?

No just people that are needlessly confrontational and rude for no reason.

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VandorLee
04/21/22 6:47:32 AM
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Theres a few version of FFIV....

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whitelynx
04/21/22 6:48:09 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
No just people that are needlessly confrontational and rude for no reason.
I am sorry I was rude, can we get past that now?
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whitelynx
04/21/22 6:54:49 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
Paladins arent White Mages. Theyll obviously have less healing type magic. Cecil should have Protect and Shell as it fits the tone of being one.
why shouldn't a paladin have comparable magic to a white mage? the paladin has to make up for wasting his turn right? it just makes sense
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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 7:01:57 AM
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GranolaPanic posted...
Theyre supposed to be holy knights with high defense and function as a tank for the rest of your party. Giving them some utility in that is good like the buffs I mentioned. But expecting a Paladin to do anything but small spot healing and curing some ailments is silly. Thats the job of a White Mage or Alchemist.
that makes sense from a logical standpoint but I argue it doesn't make sense in a gameplay way

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loafy013
04/21/22 7:24:58 AM
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whitelynx posted...
why shouldn't a paladin have comparable magic to a white mage? the paladin has to make up for wasting his turn right? it just makes sense
Because then you end up with an unbalanced mess like FFXI. Best healer? Red Mage Best magic damage? Red Mage. Best tank? Red Mage.

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 7:25:57 AM
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loafy013 posted...
Because then you end up with an unbalanced mess like FFXI. Best healer? Red Mage Best magic damage? Red Mage. Best tank? Red Mage.
no. the point is you have to balance the paladin between attacking or healing

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VandorLee
04/21/22 7:28:57 AM
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Why cant Cecil summon like Rydia? Garbage game.

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The Popo
04/21/22 7:32:45 AM
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Fluttershy posted...
cecil's heals are basically rechargeable potions between save points. estus flasks.

This. Characters like Porom and Rosa provide the important white magic during battles. Cecil is used for the minor fixes between battles to conserve the MP of the true white mages. In battle, Cecil is the best attacker on your team in most cases, so you wouldnt want to be casting a lot of magic during battles unless things get dire.

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Tyranthraxus
04/21/22 8:09:35 AM
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VandorLee posted...
Why cant Cecil summon like Rydia? Garbage game.

What are you talking about he can do that just fine

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gunplagirl
04/21/22 8:11:47 AM
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His heals are basically free potions so for casual play they're meh but in speedruns and any other challenge run (especially low level) you'll use it a lot no matter how poor the numbers are because resource management is king.

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Joshua_Graham
04/21/22 9:00:20 AM
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Tag

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Smackems
04/21/22 9:01:30 AM
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He's good for healing outside of combat

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 9:08:11 AM
#39:


Smackems posted...
He's good for healing outside of combat
nah he isn't that's my point

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gunplagirl
04/21/22 9:08:47 AM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
nah he isn't that's my point
He is, you just aren't efficient at menuing

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Smackems
04/21/22 9:15:29 AM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
nah he isn't that's my point
Worked for me

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nfearurspecimn
04/21/22 9:16:05 AM
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Smackems posted...
Worked for me
nah his healing ability was pitiful

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Smackems
04/21/22 9:18:47 AM
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Ok

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Perascamin
04/21/22 9:39:54 AM
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He has Protect and Shell so that Rosa can focus on healing and applying haste lol. Cura is also good for spot healing

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EmbraceOfDeath
04/21/22 9:49:11 AM
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whitelynx posted...
why shouldn't a paladin have comparable magic to a white mage? the paladin has to make up for wasting his turn right? it just makes sense
Because paladin in FFIV is mainly focused on Cover, not white magic.

nfearurspecimn posted...
how am I acting like a child for saying you're wrong dude? Cecil should have had much more power as a paladin and didn't. grow up btw
More power? Dude maxes almost every stat easily.

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Joshua_Graham
04/21/22 9:53:21 AM
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I like when characters have established abilities instead of the customizable homogenized stuff you see in say FF7, 8, or games with the job system (even though I do like that system too).

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Questionmarktarius
04/21/22 9:58:19 AM
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FF4 is an ensemble game, at least until the GBA and PSP remakes.
It doesn't matter that some character sucks or that some abilities are useless - the whole team in aggregate is the important part.
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GrandConjuraton
04/21/22 10:26:41 AM
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Somebody needs to calm down ITT.

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Garioshi
04/21/22 10:28:59 AM
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i like being able to heal out of battle without obliterating rosa's MP

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