Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 1 - The Phantom Menace

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That said I dont think Plum was pulling his Kirby wall from the end of the last game, considering all the names mentioned

But I would like to know why Plum himself didnt raise that counterpoint

While I agree that Kirby's overexplanatory posts are giving off extreme tryhard vibes which rub the wrong way, I don't really like plum's reaction by going and comparing to a post from a previous game from a different day in the game. Are we expecting there to be good analysis and content as opposed to contrived comments? Definitely not. So honestly I don't really like either of them from that exchange.

I like chang calling out plum on what I said above though. Doesn't contribute to a read, but I like his logic.

(Scare and/or Sbell might go on that list, too, but I haven't done my reread of their posts yet)

He's my top scumread so far, even after the Chang business. The vote stays until that changes. I'm not stuck on Plum or anything, so if you have a better option for me, I'm all ears.

Or you could convince me Plum is Town. It's early on, none of this is set in stone!

I don't feel like Plum was more passive last game, particularly in the first half of D1. One of the main things I remember as an observer was Plum trying repeatedly to convince everyone why bloody NL of all things was a good call. I also don't like him completely ignoring that you did provide several decent reads in your walls, and repeatedly asserting that you didn't. It feels like he saw a wall, realised that some of it was "idk one way or another" and overreached for an argument based on those parts.

Lea's claim isn't worth reading into but I agree that we shouldn't be testing it today, Sultan's vote on Chris is a nulltell, and I generally agree with Lopen on his read of you. No comments on Ben or ViolentAbacus yet.

I'm not really into pulling contrived thoughts out of my ass and I'm not going to be overreading into things when there's no contextualizing information from a lynch yet this game.

I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I don't have any strong scum reads one way or the other. So although you are my top read so far, it's not a strong one, and I'm willing to be convinced if a scummier candidate pops up. But so far, I'm just not seeing anything that strikes me as overly scummy, including Plum's behavior. And that's why I'm concerned about you pushing for his lynch.

I'm willing to give Plum the benefit of the doubt for not reading my entire wall posts. I was miffed that he just dismissed everything I said as fluff, and his justification for it by using my posts from last game is faulty. But his opinion isn't a minority one. Lea and Lopen also seemed to share Plum's thoughts that my posts were inconclusive and felt like filler. I, of course, disagree, but clearly there must've been some miscommunication on my end that a non-negligible number of players believed I was just fluffing it up.

But I also don't recall Plum being this aggressive last game until he was cornered as scum. He is being lightly suspected this game, but his play this game (or I guess more specifically how he's interacting with me) feels way too on the offensive compared to his passive, playing-it-safe scum playstyle from last game. "No Lynch" was a silly idea last game, but it's safe and non-committal. Plum didn't have to point the finger at anyone, just propose an idea that may have seemed logical given the wacky mechanics of that game. Plum this game is committed to believing I'm scum and letting everyone know that. It feels like two completely different sides of the same coin.

While I agree that Kirby's overexplanatory posts are giving off extreme tryhard vibes which rub the wrong way, I don't really like plum's reaction by going and comparing to a post from a previous game from a different day in the game. Are we expecting there to be good analysis and content as opposed to contrived comments? Definitely not. So honestly I don't really like either of them from that exchange.

I like chang calling out plum on what I said above though. Doesn't contribute to a read, but I like his logic.

Has not happened yet.

I thought the logs stopped working years ago

We should probably also keep into account that Kirby wasnt exactly town last time (and yes he did have his scans to back him up after day1)

But I think walls are just in his nature

People making reads on JC has JC even posted??

1. Ben
2. Chaeix (JC)

People making reads on JC has JC even posted??

I'm still a little suspicious of Han's power grab (or attempt thereof), but ugh, I'm not entirely sure anymore. I think I'll be more interested to see if Han dies Night 1 or not. Granted, it doesn't logically make sense to paint a target on his back like that and claim he's gonna die and then... doesn't die. I've never seen a scum Han, obviously, but surely he would be more low-key about it rather than turning it into the focal point of his argument.

Ben I'm wary of. I feel like I need to take notes on which posts he's responding to, because I feel like there's a pattern there. Someone else mentioned that Ben hasn't really been contributing to the discussion a whole lot (or something like that), so if he's responding as minimally as possible, something might be up there.

But if Han's theory of Ben being scum and directing other scum toward certain actions or plays is true...
You know, maybe it's time to put the spotlight on Ben.

Otherwise, I think I'd like to hear more from plum, red, and IGCD, but I'm also gonna skim through Topic 3 just to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Is Sultan being aggressive actually a nultell?
What was Sultan as scum like?

##Vote:Chris

Him wanting vibe checks off of names and such is weird.
Looks like a weird attempt look town.
Chris is really good but I really find this vibe thing to be obscure

btw what's the dealio with the video opening credits only saying "Star Wars Mafia". and the Light Side / Dark Side split is all star wars flavor too. Where are the Pokemon at? I feel like I've been bamboozled by our host into thinking there would be Pokemon.

changmas' chart tells me that if he is scum there is a more than likely chance that Sbell and Lopen are both town because I don't think he breaks out the paint skills if anyone is early bussing him. Not a sure thing, but just a hunch.

feels very.... performative to me. I haven't read almost anything past your posts here but I know chang has posted more, so my read could evolve. But this post in particular really struck me as "hello fellow town members, I am totally town and you know what I just thought about despite the topic being hours old, the flavor split!"

Town points to Ben for mirroring my thoughts

My day one psychic read is to vote for whoever Chris tells me to vote for. Im also a mortally confirmable broken town role that scum should shoot night 1 if they want to win this game, so I get to care even less about day one than I usually do. Which already isnt much, but at least now I can get away with it!

See you in 45 hours. Chris, at that time tell me who Im voting for. Thanks and peace out.

Also is Mzeros only post making Chewbacca noises?

Sbell, do you REALLY think Lea would lie to the entire game just to make a dumb pun?

##Vote:Kirby

That was two walls in a row where it felt like there was nothing there

##Unvote
##Vote:Kirby

Curiously in the post in response to Mzero he doesn't say Mzero is town for having a read this early, but after Ben says Mzero is town Sheep responds with this. If you had the thought someone was town, why wouldn't you say it initially? Hm. Go ahead and respond to this please, Sheep.

Oh and then Sheep does the most Sheep like unvote ever. Literally less than an hour after... I don't know if I love it or hate it. Like... death questions him and he is like 'nope!" which does line up with his curiosity about red's inkling but man that was quick. I'll file that away for later and still want the Mzero point answered.