Poll of the Day > Another Day, Another Mass Shooting! (Kids This Time)

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https://www.yahoo.com/gma/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-174500312.html

This is really getting ridiculous now...

If only this had happened in a state where guns were more readily available so there was a good guy available to stop the shooter.

pionear posted...

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/texas-elementary-school-reports-active-174500312.html

This is really getting ridiculous now...

.......wut?

Unfortunately there isnt too much that can be done about this :(

Forget art classes, home economics, or basic personal financial management in schools. We need to teach gun safety. And give kids real guns and real bullets in those classes. NOTHING can go wrong if we teach gun safety!

EvilResident posted...

Unfortunately there isnt too much that can be done about this :(

plenty could be done, but nobody wants to do it.

adjl posted...

If only this had happened in a state where guns were more readily available so there was a good guy available to stop the shooter.

But all my conservative friends tell me this stuff doesnt happen in the south.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hdX1MUOgQw

Nade Duck posted...

plenty could be done, but nobody wants to do it.

To avoid a (school) shooting ?
Id like to hear some suggestions

Prayers. Intervene with a troubled youth with anger management, then hopefully it won't repeat.. This is a dark time that calls for friends to help them if only they could before he went rashly.

EvilResident posted...

To avoid a (school) shooting ?
Id like to hear some suggestions

I think it's pretty clear you don't like the suggestions

Blightzkrieg posted...

I think it's pretty clear you don't like the suggestions

?

adjl posted...

If only this had happened in a state where guns were more readily available so there was a good guy available to stop the shooter.

Heh

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/1/AAFUswAADQ8_.jpg

I hate this shit. So sad

I'm sure that the founding fathers knew when they drafted 2A 200+ years ago that limpdicked lunatics were going to murder schoolchildren by the busload, so of course they would see no need to correct course.

I'm certain they would want to keep 2A completely intact and unassailable, and keep allowing school-aged children to be massacred by the dozen. This is exactly how they envisioned America. Land of the free, home of the spineless gun-toting dipshits gunning down babies, because by golly that's their inalienable right as free Americans

Melt down the all the guns

Stop selling them

EvilResident posted...

Unfortunately there isnt too much that can be done about this :(

You ever notice how no other country in the world that isn't an active war zone has to deal with regular mass shootings? Maybe, just maybe, everyone else in the world is doing something right that Americans are doing very wrong.

adjl posted...

You ever notice how no other country in the world that isn't an active war zone has to deal with regular mass shootings? Maybe, just maybe, everyone else in the world is doing something right that Americans are doing very wrong.

Yup

It's 21 dead now, 18 kids and 3 adults.

:(

Honestly yes, gun control is a problem, but I believe this stems from the lack of mental health accessibility and screenings. His teachers should have been able to see something wrong with him long before this. But even if they had, the ability to get mental health isn't that accessible for most. Hell even with my "good" insurance seeing someone would be 40 dollars. And with most of them wanting to see you once a week that's 160 dollars. Not everyone can afford that.

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Uhh no?

The idea that these shooters fall under the typical scope of mental illness is largely bunk. Shooters often aren't diagnosed with any mental illnesses, and when they are, these illnesses aren't usually typified by mass violence.

posing with a gun for votes in an election definitely is a step in the right direction

Blightzkrieg posted...

The idea that these shooters fall under the typical scope of mental illness is largely bunk. Shooters often aren't diagnosed with any mental illnesses, and when they are, these illnesses aren't usually typified by mass violence.

Well the ones truly facing mental issues are the ones more likely to become a serial killer that will prey on one type of person. Ted Bundy is psychotic and insane and if he was released before he was killed would 100% do what he did in the past, but he likely would never do a mass shooting.

So yeah slapping that label on every shooter is a bit odd.

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The thing is, people don't wake up one morning and decide to be mass murderers. As much as those around them will insist that they never saw it coming, there are almost always warning signs of mental illness long before any significant violence happens, usually starting when the shooter is in school. Pick up on those and start treating it early, and you dramatically reduce the chance of them causing harm.

Plus, of course, sensible gun control would include a psychiatric evaluation before allowing somebody to purchase a gun (and requirements for approved gun owners to keep their guns appropriately secured to prevent unauthorized access). Would that capture every potential murderer? No. But it'd be a whole lot better than the "'There's nothing we can do to stop this' says only nation where this happens with any frequency" approach that's been doing so wonderfully to date.

Monopoman posted...

So yeah slapping that label on every shooter is a bit odd.

It's sort of a "small m" kind of mental illness. There may not be a formal, definitive diagnosis, but mentally healthy people don't commit murder, let alone mass murder. That is an aberrant, disordered behaviour, so it is an issue that needs to be approached in terms of mental health.

adjl posted...

You ever notice how no other country in the world that isn't an active war zone has to deal with regular mass shootings? Maybe, just maybe, everyone else in the world is doing something right that Americans are doing very wrong.

Better mental health facilities and free health insurance to cover those?

You guys should know better. Hardcore gamers in the late 90s early 2000s were early adopters of what is now main stream lifestyle today. Im talking about the anti-social sit at home behind a machine kid and not express your feelins with others.

As the advances in Internet/smart phones/remote working have accelerated you're getting more and more kids numbed behind computers. They have less sympathy for human beings as theyre mind just goes to mush from all the digital crap on social media etc.

The issue isnt guns. Its mental health. Its too much screen time and not even getting back to communities and developing healthy relationships with people face to face

teddy241 posted...

You guys should know better. Hardcore gamers in the late 90s early 2000s were early adopters of what is now main stream lifestyle today. Im talking about the anti-social sit at home behind a machine kid and not express your feelins with others.

As the advances in Internet/smart phones/remote working have accelerated you're getting more and more kids numbed behind computers. They have less sympathy for human beings as theyre mind just goes to mush from all the digital crap on social media etc.

The issue isnt guns. Its mental health. Its too much screen time and not even getting back to communities and developing healthy relationships with people face to face

Yeah technology is definitely the reason mass shooters exist.

teddy241 posted...

You guys should know better. Hardcore gamers in the late 90s early 2000s were early adopters of what is now main stream lifestyle today. Im talking about the anti-social sit at home behind a machine kid and not express your feelins with others.

As the advances in Internet/smart phones/remote working have accelerated you're getting more and more kids numbed behind computers. They have less sympathy for human beings as theyre mind just goes to mush from all the digital crap on social media etc.

The issue isnt guns. Its mental health. Its too much screen time and not even getting back to communities and developing healthy relationships with people face to face

Kids in the 80s and 90s also had their brain go to mush watching TV as often as they could. Looking at how many of these shooting are racially or based on sexual preference I think it's more the alt-right rabbit hole. It's like blaming when the KKK was lynching black people, and putting up burning crosses and calling it all a massive mental issue.

hypnox posted...

Honestly yes, gun control is a problem, but I believe this stems from the lack of mental health accessibility and screenings. His teachers should have been able to see something wrong with him long before this. But even if they had, the ability to get mental health isn't that accessible for most. Hell even with my "good" insurance seeing someone would be 40 dollars. And with most of them wanting to see you once a week that's 160 dollars. Not everyone can afford that.

It's an intersection of multiple factors, and you are right that for-profit health care is one of those factors.

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It depends on the shooter's motive. Some of these people can be treated. Some of them cannot be treated but can be *stopped.* The Buffalo shooter could not be treated, but he could have been stopped.

Blightzkrieg posted...

The idea that these shooters fall under the typical scope of mental illness is largely bunk. Shooters often aren't diagnosed with any mental illnesses, and when they are, these illnesses aren't usually typified by mass violence.

You cannot paint mass shooters with broad brushstrokes, that's true. But I think you misunderstand a bit. Ready access to mental health care is a long-term preventative measure that *everyone,* including those who do not have mental disorders, benefits from.
You're working backwards, too. "shooters aren't often diagnosed with any mental illnesses" That's part of the issue. People have material needs that are not being identified and met.

adjl posted...

whole post

This.

teddy241 posted...

main stream lifestyle today.
The issue isnt guns. Its mental health.

Why does it only happen in the USA then? Why doesn't Canada have the same rampant issue?
Don't be so reductive. This is an intersection of problems that is most heavily facilitated by easy access to weapons (and armor) of war.

I can easily name like... five things off the top of my head we could do to reduce this shit (and most of them are actually multiple points):
1 universal health care that includes mental health care and prescriptions.
2 gun legislation, so background checks, red flag laws, psych evals, and stricter teaching of gun safety
3 invest in political deradicalization efforts with a particular focus on misogyny, as it is one of the greatest common denominators found among mass shooters.
4 promote healthy gun culture. Guns are not extensions of your masculinity and ego, they are not idols, they are not the solution to all your political woes. They are tools. If you want to learn how to safely use one, go right ahead, but if you don't understand that, you aren't mature enough to handle them.
5 Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.
6 Investing in local communal services and reworking our urban planning to promote communal activity/interaction (this would actually solve a fuck-load of other issues the USA has).

EvilResident posted...

Uhh no?

youre coming in here with your first post deliberately trying to provoke people, bro. And youre even too scared to bring up the fact

adjl posted...

so there was a good guy available to stop the shooter.

Schools are gun-free zones, so no.

And the vast majority of mass shootings happen in gun-free zones.

Metalsonic66 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/7/1/AAFUswAADQ8_.jpg

Or, you know, put the gameboy in your pocket. But considering the GBA-SP was disco'd 15 years ago or so, it doesn't feel like something you need to worry about.

Far-Queue posted...

I'm sure that the founding fathers knew when they drafted 2A 200+ years ago that limpdicked lunatics were going to murder schoolchildren by the busload, so of course they would see no need to correct course.

200+ years ago they knew there'd always be people who abused rights, but didn't see that as an excuse to take them away. And you should be happy about that, considering some of the protections.

adjl posted...

You ever notice how no other country in the world that isn't an active war zone has to deal with regular mass shootings? Maybe, just maybe, everyone else in the world is doing something right that Americans are doing very wrong.

Mexico has far stricter gun control than the US yet more mass shootings. And the gun violence has only increased as the gun control has.

Otherwise, the US is the third-most populous nation in the world. And the nations more populated than us have similar problems with random mass violence,

Count_Drachma posted...

Schools are gun-free zones, so no.

And the vast majority of mass shootings happen in gun-free zones.

Or, you know, put the gameboy in your pocket. But considering the GBA-SP was disco'd 15 years ago or so, it doesn't feel like something you need to worry about.

200+ years ago they knew there'd always be people who abused rights, but didn't see that as an excuse to take them away. And you should be happy about that, considering some of the protections.

Mexico has far stricter gun control than the US yet more mass shootings. And the gun violence has only increased as the gun control has.

Otherwise, the US is the third-most populous nation in the world. And the nations more populated than us have similar problems with random mass violence,

Mexico also has a huge problem with drug cartel's shit the violence there is so bad as you drive down highways you see groups of police with military weaponry like mounted machine guns. Whatever drug problem we have here is magnified 100 times in that place.

Even in the more touristy areas you can still run into this stuff, so it's not just in the shithole cities like Tijuana.

Count_Drachma posted...

And the nations more populated than us have similar problems with random mass violence,

Similar problems? Can you post sources showing any other 1st world country that has an equivalent rate of mass violence?

This doesnt happen in inner city schools that have more issues with drugs and gangs.

solution = bring drugs and gangs into our schools now!
that way if a kid gets shot it will be off school property and there will be an identifiable reason.

also all children should have easy access to meth and fentonyl.

they should also be required to eat junk food and become fat.

Jen0125 posted...

Similar problems? Can you post sources showing any other 1st world country that has an equivalent rate of mass violence?

Didnt France have some guy drive a truck through a crowd people?

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That isnt what Im saying, but if you want to make a case you cant hand wave things that did happen.

A car is easier to prevent than a gun, you cant really crash a car into a school and expect to do a lot. Cars are way more useful.

Count_Drachma posted...

Mexico has far stricter gun control than the US yet more mass shootings.

Mexico is pretty much an active war zone, given the drug cartel situation.

Count_Drachma posted...

And the gun violence has only increased as the gun control has.

Largely because the cartels driving it are so easily able to import guns from the US.

Count_Drachma posted...

Otherwise, the US is the third-most populous nation in the world. And the nations more populated than us have similar problems with random mass violence,

If you've got per capita stats that disagree with my statement, you're welcome to share them. I'm quite aware that the US has more people than most countries, and accounted for that in saying what I did.

DrPrimemaster posted...

That isnt what Im saying, but if you want to make a case you cant hand wave things that did happen.

You can if the case in question is "this doesn't happen regularly anywhere else." Individual examples exist elsewhere, yes, but individual examples don't amount to "this happens regularly."

EvilResident posted...

Unfortunately there isnt too much that can be done about this :(

/s

DrPrimemaster posted...

Didnt France have some guy drive a truck through a crowd people?

Is that a consistent pattern of mass violence (especially using guns) ? No. It's not. What are you even doing?

Jen0125 posted...

Is that a consistent pattern of mass violence (especially using guns) ? No. It's not. What are you even doing?

I missed "equivalent rate" so thats my bad. Also I should be clear that I believe more gun control is likely necessary.

But I bring up this example because I think it shows that other countries do have people that do this behaviour as well. And I want to hear why other people think that is.

And then, is it just our access to guns that make it happen more often, or do we have more people capable of this here than elsewhere.

No one is saying other countries don't have instances of mass violence. The rate is not equivalent.

This so sad, fuck these kind of people that go and shoot up schools but this isn't a gun problem, how can you really say that when we have had guns in this country since before the modern school system and school shootings haven't become prevalent until the last 20 years or so? What was different before that lead to everyone having guns but not having school shootings?