Current Events > People do realize getting mental health help cant be done to you have to do it

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People keep saying mental health is the problem as if therapists dont have enough time to see everybody. You have to do therapy it wont do you. Its better to try to remove murder weapons from psychos than to hope they will go to therapy.

I think part of it is the stigma mental health care has, generally fearing being seen as either crazy, or weak. Its gotten better, but thats about it.

PerseusRad posted...

I think part of it is the stigma mental health care has, generally fearing being seen as either crazy, or weak. Its gotten better, but thats about it.

I think today its less the stigma and more the fact that its a draining unpleasant activity. Most people would rather deal with it their own way.

The other thing is of course mental health usually doesn't fall under a Healthcare option that providers will actually help pay for, so it's usually almost entirely out of pocket costs or barely reduced at all, so it makes people feel like they need to rush it and create a breakthrough and if they aren't getting it quickly then they quit

NoMeLx22x posted...

The other thing is of course mental health usually doesn't fall under a Healthcare option that providers will actually help pay for, so it's usually almost entirely out of pocket costs or barely reduced at all, so it makes people feel like they need to rush it and create a breakthrough and if they aren't getting it quickly then they quit

yep the cost and scheduling are a problem for people who want it. But the real psychos dont want therapy anyway. What im trying to get to is its much easier to keep murder weapons away from psychos than it is to get them to seek help.

Nasty_Nitro posted...

What im trying to get to is its much easier to keep murder weapons away from psychos than it is to get them to seek help.

The other side of that is the perception that "mom died and I'm kinda down" means "no guns for you, ever" is going to prevent a hell of a lot of loons from even considering getting help.

I just did therapy earlier this year and it felt like my therapist shook me off lol.

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"No guns for crazies" instantly becomes "don't let anyone know I'm crazy".

Questionmarktarius posted...

"No guns for crazies" instantly becomes "don't let anyone know I'm crazy".

which is why we need to ban guns. If people truly believe the mental problems in the USA are that bad then banning weapons should be a priority

What if you have to see a therapist to get a gun?

Nasty_Nitro posted...

which is why we need to ban guns. If people truly believe the mental problems in the USA are that bad then banning weapons should be a priority

You're gonna have to really think on this one, especially if your passionate about the issue. "Ban guns" is uselessly broad, and only serves to scare Republican morons who think the issue is all guns or no guns.

Unless you actually are calling for a complete gun ban, in which case....good luck.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

You're gonna have to really think on this one, especially if your passionate about the issue. "Ban guns" is uselessly broad, and only serves to scare Republican morons who think the issue is all guns or no guns.

Unless you actually are calling for a complete gun ban, in which case....good luck.

I think only rural people who deal with dangerous animals should have guns. Im not a politician but its quite clear that people dont get mental health. People have to choose to get help someone who is getting guns for a murder isnt going to therapy if they are theyre probably being forced to go and just bsing it anyway.

At the city where I live, there used to be a center that gave free therapy sessions to specifically males to help combat mental health issues. It would be out of tax payers expense, but it was an experiment to see if this would curb the problems at all. The good news was that they got a lot of referrals and it was a great step that a lot of people approved of. The bad news was that it was an unmitigated disaster. The center faced many issues in the process like low attendances, very low retention rates and many of the patients being very confrontational against the therapists or flat out refuse to listen to them or their advices. There was data being shown that very little progress was being made and ultimately many people felt their taxes to this "experiment" was a waste of money. It got taken down 3 years in and was eventually revamped 6 months later as an all inclusive therapy center for all genders. And yes, majority of the patients being women. So yeah there is some truth to what TC is saying.

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Tbf, in my case it felt more mutual. My problem is that I'm always evaluating myself. So, when I talk to a therapist, Im trying to do their job before they can lol.

She did hit me with the realization that I don't really let my gut get any say. Im always trying to apply logic, even if it's something that should be more emotionally motivating

Prestoff posted...

At the city where I live, there used to be a center that gave free therapy sessions to specifically males to help combat mental health issues. It would be out of tax payers expense, but it was an experiment to see if this would curb the problems at all. The good news was that they got a lot of referrals and it was a great step that a lot of people approved of. The bad news was that it was an unmitigated disaster. The center faced many issues in the process like low attendances, very low retention rates and many of the patients being very confrontational against the therapists or flat out refuse to listen to them or their advices. There was data being shown that very little progress was being made and ultimately many people felt their taxes to this "experiment" was a waste of money. It got taken down 3 years in and was eventually revamped 6 months later as an all inclusive therapy center for all genders. And yes, majority of the patients being women. So yeah there is some truth to what TC is saying.

people think therapy is medicine. Its not, effective therapy is almost like you are working with the doctor to build your cure/medication if its you vs the dr it can never work. The only people who benefit are people who say Im not well I need to see a professional

Yep, therapy is a two way street. You gotta put in the same amount of effort as well or it will become a waste of time for you and the therapist. I think that's why the experiment failed, tax payers feeling like their money was being burned and these same patients who are feeling like they're being forced into something they don't want to be part in.

I wish there was a simple answer for mental health, but there isn't. People who cop out saying "we need to improve Mental Health" can't even give a good way how to actually improve it.

Prestoff posted...

tax payers feeling like their money was being burned and these same patients who are feeling like they're being forced into something they don't want to be part in.

That's always going to be a waste.

ppl need to be taught that getting psych help is normal and it should be encouraged and supported but since ppl r dum they just bully the victim more instead

its sad that some workplaces dont let employees take time off 2c a therapist bc they think its an excuse but that makes employees go crazy

Fuck tax payers that think it's burning money.

Yep, those are all good things that would be hugely helpful

The biggest thing that could happen to help mental health issues is to stop fucking stigmatizing people with mental health issues.

People would seek help at much higher rates if they knew they wouldn't be looked at sideways because they have some kind of mental illness. Also would be great if men would stop thinking asking for help is a sign of weakness.

QueenCarly posted...

Yep, those are all good things that would be hugely helpful

The biggest thing that could happen to help mental health issues is to stop fucking stigmatizing people with mental health issues.

People would seek help at much higher rates if they knew they wouldn't be looked at sideways because they have some kind of mental illness. Also would be great if men would stop thinking asking for help is a sign of weakness.

But think of what we are discussing here. We are talking about bolstering mental healthcare in the name of preventing violence, so what is the instant connection that is going to be made there? How do we call for removing the "stigma" while also stating that these people are potential mass killers without proper treatment?

Its an EXTREMELY complex issue, moreso than most people are willing to admit. I agree with your post, I just wanted to address that point.

PerseusRad posted...

I think part of it is the stigma mental health care has, generally fearing being seen as either crazy, or weak. Its gotten better, but thats about it.

That's definitely more of an adult thing, not a teen thing.

This may be true. But in reality neither of those things will actually happen.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

But think of what we are discussing here. We are talking about bolstering mental healthcare in the name of preventing violence, so what is the instant connection that is going to be made there? How do we call for removing the "stigma" while also stating that these people are potential mass killers without proper treatment?

Its an EXTREMELY complex issue, moreso than most people are willing to admit. I agree with your post, I just wanted to address that point.

Well my overall point is the guy thats going to go on a shooting rampage is not willingly seeing a psychiatrist anyway. Theres no way to make someone fix their mental health. Basically im saying mental health help is not the answer