Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 8 - Ruby/Sapphire

(+) Yeah! (+)

Actually now that I think about it, a little if Arti flips town as well.

Her going against the Arti train feels weird period.

Obellisk posted...

Hands up for anyone who thinks it's in the range of possibility that both Chris and Ulti are scum?

Ulti for the obvious. but Chris as of late for steering us away from other players who pretty much fit the bill.

I firmly believe in my methods day 3 that led to chang. They were not refuted and the person who was under suspicion folded and gave up.

Your case against ulti is one I have said had merit but more than arti? How? We already have his flavor claim what good does it do to have ulti claim a role today when he isnt up on the block realistically. We have done very good at depriving scum of information. If he is scum it's not really a big deal to have him claim later on.

Obellisk posted...

Hands up for anyone who thinks it's in the range of possibility that both Chris and Ulti are scum?

My guy you really need to get your head out of your tunnel

I think hb was paying good attention to day 1 when I was slowly hanging Ben and Sheep with the rope I was giving them and that's why he is so sassy in regards to me lol

Did not expect Death to claim Cop. That is very good info to know, especially since Sbell and Scare were peeps I were not sure about. Though, the fact that he's Cop is... actually kinda worrying since I have a strong feeling I know what his Pokmon role is...
But thank you for the info, Death. I'd appreciate if you'd give me the rank of Master, though smh

On another note, points to Red for pointing out the possibility of Godfather, though. Idk if Scum Red is usually thinking outside-the-box like this (though I suppose you could argue trying to frame Scare as a Godfather is a pretty easy argument to make as Scum). The only thing that could be noted as suspicious is that Red hasn't really pushed back on being called scum. I remember last game I was belligerently pestering him and calling him Scum this, Scum that, and Red was always pushing back on it. Maybe it's because I believe I actually had him cornered due to my role at the time, but I'm not seeing that same behavior in this game. Then again, I'm also not pushing Red very hard this game at all.

Also, until somebody can point out contradictions, inconsistencies, or otherwise conflicting info during Chris and Ben's neighborizer exchange back in D2, I refuse to believe Chris is scum.

If Ben didn't actually use his power, then Chris is scum. Obviously. But that also requires Chris and Ben to come up with a convincing, fake story with no holes. When someone is able to prove that Chris and Ben didn't actually have a neighborizer conversation N1, only then will I even begin to entertain the possibility of Chris being scum.

Honestly we bring up godfather so much its more detrimental than helpful.

Tracker-framer was the main thing that Red pointed out that stood out to me. But as Death said, Ninja is almost always more beneficial.

Not that it matters since Red stated my whole gambit was pointless (which I don't disagree with).

Red likes to give random ideas like that when they pop into his head. If scum he is fooling me

I assume we are pokemon again tonight?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Red likes to give random ideas like that when they pop into his head. If scum he is fooling me

That explains why he feels on my wavelength so much.

Yeah like red is very smart he just doesn't really like to talk a lot unless it is needed. He has come off genuine so far.

Let me re-evaluate the player list and all the game info we have on each other.

Living Playerlist

1. Chaeix (JC) - ???/???, did not move N3
2. Death - Cop/??? (Mace Windu), scanned Sbell N1, scanned Scare N3
3. Hbthebattle - Tracker/Flavor Cop (Ahsoka Tanorith), scanned Abacus N1, scanned Ulti N2, scan on Sbell stolen N3
4. Isquen - ???/Miller (Landorus Calrissian)
5. Kirby - Gladiator/Watcher (Darmanitanakin Skywalker), scanned Chris N2
6. Lea - ???/???, did not move N1
7. Arti - Vanilla/Flavor Cop (Pokedexter Jettser), scanned Ulti N2
8. MZero - ???/???
9. Red13n - ???/???
10. SBell - ???/???, scanned inno by cop N1
11. Scare - ???/???, scanned inno by cop N3
12. Sir Chris - ???/???, neighborized by Ben N1, visited by somebody N2
13. Sultan - Prostitute/Vanilla, scanned Lea N1, scanned JC N3
14. Ulti - ???/??? (Mewtwo D2), flavor confirmed N2
15. ViolentAbacus - ???/???, did not move N1

I think I'm missing some stuff. But by and large, most of our roles are hidden, which is great.
... Though I find it a tad strange that Sultan claimed his roles D2 but never mentioned the flavor. Doesn't hurt by this point. If you're scum, you've had several days to come up with a convincing fake claim. Otherwise, I'm curious who the Star Wars prostitute is supposed to be (not that my knowledge of Star Wars is expansive).

UltimaterializerX posted...

This is actually a phenomenal point. Ben and Chris being scum together would have to be pulling such an absurd 5head gambit. It is possible, though. Chris and Han are where I learned the whole target your own team to confirm yourself scum strategy from. But thats a super endgame conversation and not worth having now.

Arti, MZero, Lea, and ?.

See, I'd entertain the 5head gambit as a plausible tactic from scum Chris if his partner wasn't the loose cannon Ben lol

I mean I can claim my flavors it it matters.

Excuse me its Windu, not Window.

Also I scanned Scare N3, not N2

Dont edit your post tho

Han gave the ok for edits awhile ago lol

Kirby ive been meaning to ask since you've played with Ben alot how does he treat his scum buddies in game

Does he bus or distance?

Yeah but I feel iffy about correcting stuff like names when I am not sure if they are intended jokes or not.

Oops. Typo! Sorry. Idk why "window" was on my mind lmao

jk, I'm still salty at not being a Jedi Master despite being on the council >:(

I will make a note that I edited my post to add that "somebody" visited Chris on N2, which I forgot to mention the first time around on that list. Just so it's clear I didn't intend to omit information.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Kirby ive been meaning to ask since you've played with Ben alot how does he treat his scum buddies in game

Does he bus or distance?

The last Mafia game I played with Ben had to have been, like, 5+ years ago. Though I suppose I do still have the archives... They're very old and I don't remember which games he was scum in, but I can skim through them when I have time.

I feel like people here could probably answer that better than I can, though. Or is this the first time Ben has been scum?

Certainly not.

Kirby321 posted...

I will make a note that I edited my post to add that "somebody" visited Chris on N2, which I forgot to mention the first time around on that list. Just so it's clear I didn't intend to omit information.

The last Mafia game I played with Ben had to have been, like, 5+ years ago. Though I suppose I do still have the archives... They're very old and I don't remember which games he was scum in, but I can skim through them when I have time.

I feel like people here could probably answer that better than I can, though. Or is this the first time Ben has been scum?

Don't do that type of edit btw.

Also Ben didn't bus. Look at how he defended sheep against me. He went against his code of voting with me and everything.

You played with Ben last game!

you guys gunna be lining up around the block to get some of this after ulti flips count mewku

ScareChan posted...

You played with Ben last game!

He was town last game, scarefather

Obellisk posted...

you guys gunna be lining up around the block to get some of this after ulti flips count mewku

I will be sad if that's the flavor ngl

DoomTheGyarados posted...

He was town last game, scarefather

I will be sad if that's the flavor ngl

Yes, but he said the last game he played with him was 5 years ago and that was clearly wrong

look I am okay taking fruit so low it has fallen to the ground, Chris

Hey Scare, you owe me stuff.

What do I owe you

Was looking for
Kirby321 posted...

I will make a note that I edited my post to add that "somebody" visited Chris on N2, which I forgot to mention the first time around on that list. Just so it's clear I didn't intend to omit information.

The last Mafia game I played with Ben had to have been, like, 5+ years ago. Though I suppose I do still have the archives... They're very old and I don't remember which games he was scum in, but I can skim through them when I have time.

I feel like people here could probably answer that better than I can, though. Or is this the first time Ben has been scum?

Kirby321 posted...

I will make a note that I edited my post to add that "somebody" visited Chris on N2, which I forgot to mention the first time around on that list. Just so it's clear I didn't intend to omit information.

The last Mafia game I played with Ben had to have been, like, 5+ years ago. Though I suppose I do still have the archives... They're very old and I don't remember which games he was scum in, but I can skim through them when I have time.

I feel like people here could probably answer that better than I can, though. Or is this the first time Ben has been scum?

Kirby321 posted...

I will make a note that I edited my post to add that "somebody" visited Chris on N2, which I forgot to mention the first time around on that list. Just so it's clear I didn't intend to omit information.

The last Mafia game I played with Ben had to have been, like, 5+ years ago. Though I suppose I do still have the archives... They're very old and I don't remember which games he was scum in, but I can skim through them when I have time.

I feel like people here could probably answer that better than I can, though. Or is this the first time Ben has been scum?

A different prospective since you've played with him elsewhere thsts okay

ScareChan posted...

What do I owe you

Your life
(since I scanned you town and all)

So get to work if you can!

Okay well my phone just bugged the hell out i am sorry

htaeD posted...

Your life
(since I scanned you town and all)

So get to work if you can!

I noticed that much. And Sbell too. It is looking like I am heading out soon. I have intentions to read -everything- and try to do something, it just hasn't happen yet

I will give something! A strong second half can still happen

Lea. What's your claim?

I want to like the idea of focusing on everyone who could have moved...
But then I remember that whoever stole HB's trackresults probably couldnt have done so on night2

htaeD posted...

I want to like the idea of focusing on everyone who could have moved...
But then I remember that whoever stole HB's trackresults probably couldnt have done so on night2

Using it night 3 but not night 1 makes me think it is limited in some fashion.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Using it night 3 but not night 1 makes me think it is limited in some fashion.

or you don't waste it on a night you have no idea who has something to steal and risk getting watched tracked slept with

Obellisk posted...

or you don't waste it on a night you have no idea who has something to steal and risk getting watched tracked slept with

Hb claimed day 1

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hb claimed day 1

the plot thickens

ScareChan posted...

Yes, but he said the last game he played with him was 5 years ago and that was clearly wrong

look I am okay taking fruit so low it has fallen to the ground, Chris

I-

What

Surely it was obvious what I meant there? Unless you weren't aware that I knew Ben from a loooong time ago. Clearly, I meant the last game I played with him where he would've been scum would have been 5+ years ago.

And I was correct. The very first game I looked at from our old forum had a scum Ben, dated back in 2017. But the info is far from reliable. Not only was the game very old, but the community played very different and was arguably not as competent as this one, and it was also very small. In fact, the game in question only lasted two days, and it had a funky setup with a Framer involved. Ben did bus his scumbuddy a bit, but it was never a focal point (especially when the Cop got a guilty scan on somebody who was framed) or as intense as whatever he did with Chris. Ben was also hella more confident and active compared to his antics this game.

It was a fun trip down memory lane, but the data doesn't seem relevant enough to draw a correlation to Ben's behavior in these modern times. Perhaps that wasn't a good game to sample from, but I don't think exploring the distant past like this will be a very fruitful endeavor.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hb claimed day 1

It's plausible that they may have gambled and tried to go for someone else, but nobody mentioned it yet because they were vanilla. They may have let HB scan freely because they know that, since he claimed, he was probably going to reveal the information he got. And odds of him revealing a town power were greater than him revealing the killer.

... But that's such a stretch compared to just stealing the tracker scan and keeping him perma-roleblocked. I'm inclined to believe it's a limited role, as well.