Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 9 - Diamond/Pearl

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It would have been PoE eventually anyway

Im not going to wall post, but am posting some thoughts as I go

Ben

SCUM
Death
Sbell
Death
Mzero
Death

Good
Chris
Scare
Lea
Kirby
Chaeix

Bad
Death
ViolentAbacus
Plum
Sheep
Changmas

MZero

I have a good feeling about this
ben
chang
Kirby
Sheep
Lea

I have a bad feeling about this
death
red
SBell
Sultan
Isquen

Ben posted a 3 man scum list before his vibes with the cop and an inno scan in it, along with Mzero. Death he lists again in his vibes for dark, Mzero is absent from his list

Miz lists both Ben and Sheep in his light list, and also has Death and Sbell in his dark list. Mzero also lists Isquen in his dark list and it's someone both Sheep and Ben were shading early on

Sheep

Light Side
SBell
MZero
Kirby
Red
Scare

Dark Side
Lopen
Ulti
JC
HB
Isquen

But moreso Ben made a post about Isquen that I don't think he makes as scum

Ben 1-153

And Isquen posted a ":emote:" which is a discord emote because he's used to posting on Scum discord.

I know I have had a bad game, but I do know scum Ben. I think this is an innocent type of shade he would not throw out at a scummate. It's some scare shit of throwing a crazy theroy out

MZero being absent from Ben's lists despite listing him as scum, Sheep mentioning him, and the fact that Miz lumped both the flipped scum together in his good pile makes me lean Mzero scum

Kirby also had both sheep and ben lumped together

Kirby

LIGHT SIDE
Lea
Mzero
Chaeix (JC)
Ulti
Isquen

DARK SIDE
Corrik
Sir Chris
Lopen
Ben
Sheep

Oh right. And then Ben and Sheep both say MZero is town for having a read

She did it. She actually brought up the "you're third-party" argument. And I must simply laugh.

You know who else was so fixated on me being third-party last game? Lopen. You know what Lopen flipped that game? Scum. Don't make me bring out my "third-party hunting only benefits scum" argument here. You're only making yourself too obvious.

I don't even understand your argument here. You're latching on to the fact that Plum has been saying I'm scum for the past three in-game days, and oops! He's dead now. Why now of all times? If I was soooo scared of Plum, why did I wait so long to kill him? Because he made me claim? Come on. If I were scum, I'd kill Chris in an instant because he actually developed substantial arguments against me and could reasonably convince the entire town that I was scum. He almost did, in fact! Even my Gladiator claim was met with skepticism from Chris right from the start. Meanwhile, all Plum ever did with regard to me was find every possible angle to believe I'm scum just for breathing. (Exaggeration; Plum probably did more than that but frankly I can't remember much besides that since I wrote him off as town a long time ago)

This is baseless. In fact, what have you done all game, Lea? The only notable thing I recall from you is convincing Chris to not kill Arti D3. That's it. Other than that, you spent D1 latching on to flimsy arguments, which I believe Hb appropriately called you out on.

Do you have any other opinions beside "Kirby bad, Mzero sus, Arti town, everyone is ignoring Abacus"? What do you think of Ulti and JC? Do you think Scare is innocent or is he actually a Godfather?

For sheep and ben, how many scum do you think they put on each list? 4/1 or 3/2?

Oh good, scum Kirby just posted his entire plan in the topic. Let's lynch him now!

/s

Ben did say that Kirby was openwolfing, I don't think he pressed him from what I recall. I'll have to see if that comes up

...

Hm

Hm hm hm.

Lea did scum's kill get eaten last night. I think it did.

That posts reads 'we didn't kill plum and I am sick of pretending like we did' lol.

I chalked it up to they got lucky that they got a bg n1 instead of a no kill and they weren't going to chance it so they were hoping he was doctor. Day 4 of a 21 player game with very tame night results made me dismiss something like serial killer.

Gladiator serial killer may be weirder still.

Chris.

Lynch Arti flips town:
This means that....[insert your reads]

Lynch Arti flips scum:
This means that... [insert your reads]

DoomTheGyarados posted...

That posts reads 'we didn't kill plum and I am sick of pretending like we did' lol.

You're laughing.
Scum is getting killed out there and you're laughing.

Obellisk posted...

Chris.

Lynch Arti flips town:
This means that....[insert your reads]

Lynch Arti flips scum:
This means that... [insert your reads]

I think Lea is scum either way because I am pretty sure she is annoyed and is heavily hinting 'look we got an sk I am fucked anyway so just fyi' which okay sure.

Hmm let's see this is kind of difficult to say concretely just because they have been in bus meta for so damn long. I feel like arti town/Lea scum makes red super obviously town Moreno than ever since why drag your buddy when arti is hanging.

I don't know how much situational reads matter at this junction in the game. We have so much power left that everyone who has any suspicion on them should have something accounted for by start of day 6. If I die tonight just follow scanners and be prudent and it should be fairly chill. I still believe strongly in taking direction from things Ben and Sheep said early game but I hit them so hard I think there is more limited interaction meta past that as they would be much more wary.

What do you think, sbell? Is there someone that jumps out to you that is drastically different beyond needing one more scum if arti is town? Maybe isquen would get town credit on arti scum during lopen interactions but beyond that I would have to really go in depth.

htaeD posted...

You're laughing.
Scum is getting killed out there and you're laughing.

Until kills change though I will assume it is just scum trying to make us paranoid. Hard to buy scary serial killer when the nights have been pretty vanilla.

Man, I guess the jig is up.

You're right. I'm Third Party Serial Killer. You know, Anakin Skywalker, slayer of younglings and all that.

I killed Corrik N2 because I didn't like him. Seems the mafia didn't like him, either! And then Plum, obviously, died by my hand, because he tossed shade at me the entire game. So I killed him last night because I just really hated Corrik's guts and wanted him dead first.

God, is this seriously what we're discussing right now? I refuse to let Lea manipulate the game like this. Unfortunately, I can't really do anything about it since I have to hit the road now.

Ulti, whatever your question was... hopefully I see it at the end of my journey. Otherwise, it'll have to wait until Day 4.

Kirby321 posted...

Man, I guess the jig is up.

You're right. I'm Third Party Serial Killer. You know, Anakin Skywalker, slayer of younglings and all that.

I killed Corrik N2 because I didn't like him. Seems the mafia didn't like him, either! And then Plum, obviously, died by my hand, because he tossed shade at me the entire game. So I killed him last night because I just really hated Corrik's guts and wanted him dead first.

God, is this seriously what we're discussing right now? I refuse to let Lea manipulate the game like this. Unfortunately, I can't really do anything about it since I have to hit the road now.

Ulti, whatever your question was... hopefully I see it at the end of my journey. Otherwise, it'll have to wait until Day 4.

I would say 'keep in mind the person speaking to you has every reason to annoy you' and not worry about it.

Gah, you're right. Lopen did the same thing to me last game. Aight, I'm chill now and hitting that log off button.

Good job on getting scum today, y'all. Victory is assured. I would say see y'all on Saturday, but I might be preoccupied until midnight, so... see y'all on Sunday lol

DoomTheGyarados posted...

What do you think, sbell? Is there someone that jumps out to you that is drastically different beyond needing one more scum if arti is town? Maybe isquen would get town credit on arti scum during lopen interactions but beyond that I would have to really go in depth.

sorta in a holding pattern right now. I have some thoughts on who is in the scum pool splishy splashin around. I think the flip of arti will fill in a few gaps but I'm most looking forward to the nk. Scum tells us more with who they do or don't kill each night.

I'm personally struggling this game to keep things straight, Han promised to keep it at 21 and then sneakily turned it into 42. Hard leap from the kingmaker game. And if we exclude that game, it's my first real town game since returning.

Oh and I think the answer to why did plum get killed and not one of the millions of scanners is that the more scanners, the more likely we lynch the wrong one.

I think a holding pattern is actually really chill right now. We have a lot of stuff going for us and really we shouldn't feel the need to claim until the next two are resolved and even then maybe we get lucky on a scan. Restricting scum's ability to understand the setup is very important in large games.

An independent I can believe.
A Serial Killer with 3 nights of just 1 kill?
Seems way too lucky for us.

##unvote
##Vote:Lea

Idk why but o really trust Red head on no world do I see a scum red doing this. Also everyone seems to have in the scum pile anyways. Seems like more of a sure thing to me. We have alot if similar roles in the game 2 flavor cops might not be outta the question. Regardless I think it resolves it self if one is fake anyways.

If Lea can't exist with red role why are we keeping her alive at all at this point. On of the main kill Arti people are probably scum and know its a mislynch in my opinion

I probably also won't be here eod

Sheep007 posted...

I get where you're coming from that it might be a communication problem - I think it's partially that people just don't like walls. One problem in addition, though, is that I don't feel good about any of the people who did. Lea has definitely set off some red flags, possibly because I don't think she posted anything game-related other than a princess claim before page 8. I also don't particularly like Lopen so far, but as with Plum I tend to just think he's Scum in a lot of games, probably even more often. And Lopen just lurches at anything that he doesn't like the look of sometimes, so jumping on that doesn't feel out of character regardless of alignment. But it's not just Plum who look dodgy on that wagon, imo.

Also, just a bit of game theory because I can't resist: I'm personally of the opinion that if you're gonna push someone, push them hard. I think Plum should be voted a hell of a lot more, despite not being entirely certain on him, because if he's Town it'll probably come out with more information, and if he isn't we need more pressure to uncover him. Especially so early, with enough decent players that I can trust a few of them will be Town and will try and steer me right if they think I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Hell, you partially agree with me on this one, since you're voting me while admitting you don't particularly think I'm scum. And you called JC out on the D1 info-gathering. How're we gonna get much more info without proactive play?

Does sheep attack [Arti] and Lea in the same post if they're buddies?

Lopen segment feels pretty similar to his Ben word salad.

Do you agree with that assessment of mine or not, scare?

Sheep was selling a lot of the same stuff, yes, I'm just asking how likely is sheep to do that to two buddies at once?

If it leads to nothing I am sure it doesn't much matter. He made it clear who he was really going after in that post so I think he could have done that in theory for people to read into later. Not a certainty he did but few things are certain.

Gotta vote em all, Gotta vote em all!
[6] Arti: Ulti, (Isquen), (Kirby), Chris, Abacus, Kirby, Death, JC
[3] MZero: Arti, Isquen, Lea
[2] Lea: Red, Sultan
[1] Ulti: (Chris), (Sultan), SBell
[0] Red: (Kirby)
[0] Scare: (Lea)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to reach majority. Day ends Friday at 7 eastern, roughly 48 minutes from now.

I get off work for a tepid end of day. No major revelations or instant nukes, then?

Yeah, I'm going to go with what feels right for this situation and just go for Arti.
##Vote: Arti

Hbthebattle posted...

Yeah, I'm going to go with what feels right for this situation and just go for Arti.
##Vote: Arti

I mean, it didn't matter if you thought it was right anyway.

but I get it.

Obellisk posted...

I mean, it didn't matter if you thought it was right anyway.

but I get it.

Stranger things have happened.

I just want to say that I've been thinking, and Ulti has yet to do anything the entire game despite being rolescanned twice. It's good to know he's not lying about his Pokemon but his reads have been garbage, he didn't really participate in catching either of the two scum, and his vote on me is 100% role meta. SBell and Sultan might be right on him, and I definitely think both of them are town.

OK, that's it. Good luck town

Big stoppo

Gotta vote em all, Mafia
[7] Arti: Ulti, (Isquen), (Kirby), Chris, Abacus, Kirby, Death, JC, Hb
[3] MZero: Arti, Isquen, Lea
[2] Lea: Red, Sultan
[1] Ulti: (Chris), (Sultan), SBell
[0] Red: (Kirby)
[0] Scare: (Lea)

Flip coming in a minute

https://youtu.be/neyY2qC9pCA?t=130

Arti has been lynched! He was...

I'm Dexter, a Pokdex programmed by Professor Oak for Pokmon Trainer Ash Ketchum.

You are Pokdex, LIGHT SIDE Flavor Cop. You are the encyclopedia of all known Pokmon knowledge! Though you are often referred to as being needed to be filled up, you also seem to already have knowledge on all of the Pokmon. Not sure how that works.

As a Flavor Cop, once per night, you can scan a target of your choice. You will learn that players character (for example, if you scanned yourself, you would learn that you are Pokdex).

I should think that you Jedi would have more respect for the difference between knowledge and wisdom.

You are Dexter Jettser, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla. You own a diner on Coruscant! Thats pretty cool! I guess. You also are able to keenly identify that a poison dart shot at a bounty hunter is from Kamino, which appears to be a planet the Jedi know little of. How did a guy running a diner come across this knowledge? Do I really want to know?

As a Vanilla, you have no additional abilities.

Living Playerlist

1. Chaeix (JC)
2. Death
3. Hbthebattle
4. Isquen
5. Kirby
6. Lea
7. MZero
8. Red13n
9. SBell
10. Scare
11. Sir Chris
12. Sultan
13. Ulti
14. ViolentAbacus

Looks like Arti just got lynched. Heh heh heh heh
LD1 - Sheep - Venomoff Gideon, DARK SIDE Tracker/Poisoner
KN1 - IGCD - Charmandalorian, LIGHT SIDE Bodyguard/Vanilla
LD2 - Ben - Professor Snoke, DARK SIDE Neighborizer/Redirector
KN2 - Corrik - Padm Amidalakazam, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Psychic
LD3 - Chang - Ki-Adi Munna, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
KN3 - Masterplum - Surskit Fisto, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
LD4 - Arti - Pokdexter Jettser, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Flavor Cop

SEND IN NIGHT ACTIONS BY 6:30 EASTERN TOMORROW. DAY STARTS AT 7.

IT IS NOW NIGHT. NO TALKING.

Bunp

She's lump