Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 12 - The Town Awakens

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Hbthebattle posted...

Now, I gotta ask. Ditto was likely scum's source of flavorscans. Why do you think scum would just say a random flavor for you but a true one for Sbell?

Well, now it seems that Lea's Sebulbasaur remark was truly just thrown out there as a joke. Ctes was right for saying we shouldn't put much stock in it.

Hbthebattle posted...

Now, I gotta ask. Ditto was likely scum's source of flavorscans. Why do you think scum would just say a random flavor for you but a true one for Sbell?

When I first saw it I thought Sebulb was a pretty neat choice of someone who isn't good but not at all dark side. Are there characters who are dark side who could be matched with Blue?

It's also possible they just didn't scan me at all but their scan wasn't useful to their narrative. I haven't examined the points on this yet.

I wonder if they had some way of knowing one of my roles was vengeful but not which. That... doesn't make sense though.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I wonder if they had some way of knowing one of my roles was vengeful but not which. That... doesn't make sense though.

i mean

bulletproof was sw side so presumably through role meta that

Oh because almost everyone else had claimed and I was being very tight lipped about claims this game which is a departure from my norm.

Ah fuck

Well I tried my best to die for you all, sorry.

Probably a good thing you didn't die early on. I mean, there's your role and all that, but you've helped keep discussion rolling.

Speaking of which, do we have any questions for Ctes besides his flavor/role claim? I'm about to turn in for the night myself.

I think it's clear the lynch has to be between Ctes and Abacus, at least.

HB said pretty clearly you he'd scan yesterday. From your posts Kirby, Sbell does seem like a good place to not be watched. Sbell and I should not be as easy to force a mislynch on. Now you just said it's between SBell and I, but seriously, how is two godfathers the most likely possibility you see?

Can we stop bringing up Sebulbasaur now please, jeez.

Scum Abacus basically had to claim his real flavor yesterday. It's not like there's nothing you can make work.

Wingullf Yuralen. Wingull Tarkin isn't that off. But I think at this point from the look of some of the dead stuff, you shouldn't believe you could figure out the combinations. I spent time on Wartortle, then it turns out Sbell was a f***ing Star War.

MZero's roles can potentially have been the use of everything we knew scum had. They have still only had power roles. If the last one does that too, then it's something we haven't been able to notice.

I was kinda hoping HB would scan me just because all the flavor scans so far has revealed so far except the one scum would know.

I can fullclaim sure, but it won't provide us with anything useful.

Well let's just review things.

for ctes to be scum there has to be two godfathers in a game of 21. I have, in fairness, seen this before. It is extremely unlikely Han would do this though.

For Kirby to be scum, scum would have had to have inserted themselves into a town vs town lynch on day 3 and also flippantly claimed watcher when they have a role that mentions watcher within their ranks when another one of their scum members claimed tracker day 1 only to be countered.

For Abacus to be scum he needs to have a flavor that is a bad thing in the star wars mythos that can somehow be fit into Wingull.

For HB to be scum he needs to build a time machine and alter the timeline in such a way that he does not receive the town role PM he received from Han in this timeline.

There are really only three scenarios left in this game.

The first, Abacus is scum and this ends without much further thought. I don't get his flavor but I stand by the reason why HB has been allowed to live this long is they just didn't care about flavor scanner after isquen was caught and they killed Ulti. Lea was roleblocker (of a sense) and could not be scanned, Mzero was Ditto, and Abacus has an easy safelist claim. That fits well enough.

The second is Abacus is not the final member of scum and scum shoot me tonight. In this scenario I already know who I would shoot and I am not clarifying on this matter.

The third is Abacus is not the final member of scum, someone other than me dies (hi HB) and then we all think about our life choices for 48 hours.

Really hoping for the first scenario!

ctesjbuvf posted...

Scum Abacus basically had to claim his real flavor yesterday. It's not like there's nothing you can make work.

Wingullf Yuralen. Wingull Tarkin isn't that off. But I think at this point from the look of some of the dead stuff, you shouldn't believe you could figure out the combinations. I spent time on Wartortle, then it turns out Sbell was a f***ing Star War.

MZero's roles can potentially have been the use of everything we knew scum had. They have still only had power roles. If the last one does that too, then it's something we haven't been able to notice.

I was kinda hoping HB would scan me just because all the flavor scans so far has revealed so far except the one scum would know.

I can fullclaim sure, but it won't provide us with anything useful.

Sbell's flavor made me just give up on everything it's true lol.

I would like your claim more for curiosity than anything.

##Vote: Abacus

You played well, Abacus. Nothing to be ashamed about at all from any of your play this game. Some people come to this community and really annoy me with their lack of effort but I thought you did a pretty good job most of the time. This is just process of elimination at this point.

I'm Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ghost. That means I would have been able to continue to participate on Star Wars days after death, though without being able to vote. I didn't want to claim this yesterday because I thought it would be ideal if I was the one shot given I would still be here right now, but they went for the other innocent scan. Oh Well. I'm also Beedrill, Vanilla.

Hmph. Two roles that had utility from dying live until the end. Typical.

Maybe if Scare had died, I could have replaced a dead member lol. By the off-chance you're reading this Scare, I hope everything is alright and that you were just very busy.

He seemed disinterested about the game from the very start, and no amount of rousing could stir him. I too hope Scare is doing ok!

Before we PoE lynch Abacus I want to go into something else.

Alright, so Kirby said he was Anakin Skywalker. Kirby also said specifically the prequels version. Pokemon character is then Darmanitan of all things, he even said so himself. I remember I tried to make these puns when only a few people had died and I had something like Anakingdra or Kartanakin. Donphanakin was mentioned, that too was better, yet we have Darmanitanakin. It's not like that is an obvious Pokemon for watcher either.

Now, what if this is because Darmanitan also goes with Darth Vader and he switched alignment during the game? It would also mean MZero had a watcher to worry about at some point. I'm wondering if gladiating was what triggered it. I also considered if Kirby knew that would happen and it's why he pulled off that weird stunt. I mean, it's weird otherwise given chang was already going to die, maybe he had to use it, but if he knew, it does effectively make him scum from the start. Whether or not he knew is harder to figure out. In any case, this would be a nice way to include Star Wars' biggest character into this game not just as his prequel self.

Finally, plum's reaction was this: topic 7 post 444:
The only real downside is if Kirby is some sort of gladiator variant that gets bonuses if he wins.

He then went on to talk about how there is no way that character was simply a town side. He considered it being third party too, so seems like it hasn't only been scum bringing that up lol. Then next thing plum dies for some reason we haven't been able to explain. What if this was it?

I mean, this theory feels like something going off trails, but I would also find it brilliant to include something like this and I want a damn medal if it's true.

Hh, it's probably Darmanakin and not Darmanitanakin. This would still be cool.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I was kinda hoping HB would scan me just because all the flavor scans so far has revealed so far except the one scum would know.

Also this was my I just woke up thought, but HB is all but confirmed with MZero's flip if he wasn't before. There are no timelines where I'm placing a vote there.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

The first, Abacus is scum and this ends without much further thought. I don't get his flavor but I stand by the reason why HB has been allowed to live this long is they just didn't care about flavor scanner after isquen was caught and they killed Ulti. Lea was roleblocker (of a sense) and could not be scanned, Mzero was Ditto, and Abacus has an easy safelist claim. That fits well enough.

Not that it changes anything, but weren't they glambing that MZero wasn't scanned here as he claimed Pikachu or did HB not have a flavor scan from that point until MZero was lynched? If Abacus is just the final scum there were some weird night choices either way so no point in looking too much into that and scum would have made some decisions that made this game easier for us.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway beyond my trolling I really feel like the alternative to Abacus as scum was Kirby before I read over Mzero's flip. Unless I am overlooking something the 'Ditto' portion was crafted for at least one of tracker or watcher to account for it. Tracker is odd nights so that's not it, so it'd be really strange to go through all of those scenarios for ditto and not have a watcher on the other side.

Yup, kind of like there being a bulletproof if there was no shooter, feels like it'd be just a weird specification if there wasn't a Watcher.

Kirby321 posted...

... But like, seriously, what are these killing patterns? Is this just an absurd ploy to make us believe there's a third party and suddenly suspect each other?

I can only assume they wanted to kill one of the only people who probably wasn't going to be watched?

Kirby321 posted...

I think it's clear the lynch has to be between Ctes and Abacus, at least.

I agree. I'd prefer Ctes, but I knew yesterday that I was a goner.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

##Vote: Abacus

You played well, Abacus. Nothing to be ashamed about at all from any of your play this game. Some people come to this community and really annoy me with their lack of effort but I thought you did a pretty good job most of the time. This is just process of elimination at this point.

I said yesterday that I knew I was gone, so I'm not too worried. At this point it's either Ctes, Kirby, or someone else made a pretty damned bold claim and we're probably just doomed. I was hoping my flavor scan would prevent a lynch but oh well!

I do appreciate the complement, though I felt useless at most points!

Ctes has posted pretty decent content so far, but I feel more comfortable voting them with Scare's (lack of) effort early in the game.

##Vote: Ctesjbuvf

ViolentAbacus posted...

Yup, kind of like there being a bulletproof if there was no shooter, feels like it'd be just a weird specification if there wasn't a Watcher.

The same paragraph also clearly says MZero would scan as Dark Side despite there being no cop on that night. It would be ridiculous to not specify how those mechanics works at it would be giving scum information about roles. Han has been pretty good at making sure there were no uncertainties about how roles work, there's no way those lines aren't there regardless of a watcher existing or not.

ViolentAbacus posted...

Ctes has posted pretty decent content so far, but I feel more comfortable voting them with Scare's (lack of) effort early in the game.

Scare was clearly disinterested or too busy for the game, but as someone who followed the game, it told me nothing about alignment. Turns out he was effectively Vanilla / Vanilla only with the catch that upon death he would Vanilla / Dead. Inactively is only a scum tell to some extend and not posting at all is just a tell that he shouldn't play. Remember when at some point someone was making a "You're our only hope" joke and Scare thought somebody had figured his role? It seemed legit to me at the time because he clearly wasn't reading everything. Upon replacing in, turns out it was.

I think it's ridiculous to think this scum team of so far 10 power roles and 0 non-power roles has an additional godfather on the same night as one of them was godfather, and you're banking on it by voting me. Feels like a way too strong nerf to scanning if 1/3 of the scum team would like to be scanned.

I also think there's no way there is more than one player left, we need to find. If scum had been the dead people only, they still made it pretty far despite very good early play by town that got some of their best roles killed before they could do anything.

I think still looked at this from the outside, I'd think HB is the only completely impossible scum at this point, but I'd be second with that town scan. Chris is also town, I'm certain.

Fortunately, we should be in a winnable position. I don't see a realistic final three tomorrow that town loses.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'm Obi-Wan Kenobi

Okay, this checks out. I lied about Scare never claiming his flavor before and wanted to see if you'd be consistent with his Kenobi claim from when he was accidentally prompted by Lea.

Flavor be damned; the simplest solution here is Abacus. I'd toss my vote in, but that might be a hammer I think. It's possible for two Godfathers on the same night, I'd argue... but the simpler solution is that Abacus is the remaining scum and Isquen was the only Godfather.

It's technically possible but even Bulletproof being useless is more likely. Though Chris has obviously had a way better game than Scare, leagues ahead. I'm sure he's town, just saying you shouldn't consider that.

ctesjbuvf posted...

It's technically possible but even Bulletproof being useless is more likely. Though Chris has obviously had a way better game than Scare, leagues ahead. I'm sure he's town, just saying you shouldn't consider that.

Yes but what if you are Independent (Forgetful) Serial Killer who has just forgot to kill every night and scan innocent. What now, Ctes!?

Eh, let's just see what Abacus flips first. If he's Town, then yeah we're gonna have to start looking into some crazy theories, especially with the nightkill taken into consideration.

I'm thinking we're probably just delaying the inevitable, but nonetheless, I'll wait for Hb and Chris to offer final thoughts before hammering.

Star Wars Quote
[1] Abacus - Chris
[1] Ctes - Abacus

Day ends at 3 votes or Friday at 7

I have said all I need to say.

Doesn't seem like there is much point in keeping this going for 48 hours, I suppose.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think it's ridiculous to think this scum team of so far 10 power roles and 0 non-power roles has an additional godfather on the same night as one of them was godfather, and you're banking on it by voting me. Feels like a way too strong nerf to scanning if 1/3 of the scum team would like to be scanned.

It's more that the Ditto role seemed to be there partially to trip up/have a watcher call it out.

Also the reason I'm not going after Kirby is the fact that Ulti didn't die until after the doc claim, and Kirby saw someone go to Chris the same night that Ulti went. You'd figure if he did swap Kirby would be like "hey this happened" or was scum. I've not heard a good argument against it.

Which leaves you or Chris - because like you said HB is the only one I'm 100% sure is town. And Chris has done more to prove himself as town.

I may be wrong, in fact based on how my reasoning has been the entire time I probably am, but I'm sticking with it.

Kirby321 posted...

Flavor be damned; the simplest solution here is Abacus. I'd toss my vote in, but that might be a hammer I think. It's possible for two Godfathers on the same night, I'd argue... but the simpler solution is that Abacus is the remaining scum and Isquen was the only Godfather.

I still need two votes, so you wouldn't be the hammer. But yeah, think most everyone has said what they need to so go ahead! No hard feeling!

ViolentAbacus posted...

It's more that the Ditto role seemed to be there partially to trip up/have a watcher call it out.

Also the reason I'm not going after Kirby is the fact that Ulti didn't die until after the doc claim, and Kirby saw someone go to Chris the same night that Ulti went. You'd figure if he did swap Kirby would be like "hey this happened" or was scum. I've not heard a good argument against it.

Also seemed to have a cop call it out. Again, it's a role that would make the player have questions, why not answer them in the role regardless of setup.

Ulti wasn't necessarily doctor to scum either and they probably thought he was a likely mislynch until the claim. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a great play to kill plum instead, but death and Sultan were confirmed townspeople. Youre basically saying it's less likely the scum team that didnt backup poison made another misplay than that 2/6 scum are godfathers. A misplay that in this case didn't actually end up as one because even if they thought Ulti was doctor, they were right that he didn't protect the people they wanted to kill.

Well, HB, got anything to add today?

I don't see the point of letting this day last more than 24 hours right now and because I'll go to sleep before the rest of you, I'll get my vote in. It's not a hammer anyways.

##vote: Abacus

Let's go with the simple solution.

I'll let Hb say anything he wants to add and let him hammer, assuming he also agrees with Abacus. If not, I'm curious what argument is to be made.

I dont feel great about this, but ultimately this is the smartest lynch. You all ok with me hammering now?

Anyway, if it turns out Abacus isnt scum, I really do think its some sort of independent rather than a 6th scum. It just makes thing fall into place easier.

Star Wars Quotals
[3] Abacus - Chris, Ctes, Hb
[1] Ctes - Abacus

flip coming soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGwYj4AqB6Q

Abacus has been lynched! He was...

(blaster sounds)

You are X-Wing, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla. The premier starfighter of the Rebellion, you are known for being the class of ship that blew up the Death Star. You also have a very cool blaster sound.

As a Vanilla, you have no additional powers.

Wingull!

You are Wingull, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla. You got a lot of fame from being part of a quest line in the early part of Pokmon Ruby/Sapphire. You also have a pretty simplistic design that makes you easy to add to a lot of locations, like in Pokmon Snap, without being distracting.

As a Vanilla, you have no additional powers.

Living Playerlist

1. Hbthebattle
2. Kirby
3. Ctes
4. Sir Chris

Im clear, but my fighter is down!
LD1 - Sheep - Venomoff Gideon, DARK SIDE Tracker/Poisoner
KN1 - IGCD - Charmandalorian, LIGHT SIDE Bodyguard/Vanilla
LD2 - Ben - Professor Snoke, DARK SIDE Neighborizer/Redirector
KN2 - Corrik - Padm Amidalakazam, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Psychic
LD3 - Chang - Ki-Adi Munna, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
KN3 - Masterplum - Surskit Fisto, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
LD4 - Arti - Pokdexter Jettser, LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Flavor Cop
KN4 - Death - Mace Windewgong - LIGHT SIDE Cop/Vanilla
LD5 - Isquen - Sheevee - DARK SIDE Godfather Ninja/Backup
KN5 - Sultan - Tentacoola - LIGHT SIDE Prostitute/Vanilla\
LD6 - Chaeix (JC) - Jar Carbink - LIGHT SIDE Hated Townie/Vanilla
KN6 - Ulti - Mewtwo-D2 - LIGHT SIDE Doctor/Doctor
LD7 - Lea - Wobobafett - DARK SIDE Bulletproof/Mirror
KN7 - Red - Girafarigran Dan and the Modal Nodes - LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Dumb Hider
LD8 - MZero - Dittobias Beckett - DARK SIDE Thief/Doppelganger
KN8 - SBell - Star Wartortle - LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla
LD9 - ViolentAbacus - X-Wingull - LIGHT SIDE Vanilla/Vanilla

IT IS NOW NIGHT

NO POSTING

NIGHT ACTIONS ARE DUE BY 6:30 PM EASTERN TOMORROW

have a pleasant evening