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BlueCrystalTear posted...

I don't know. It may have been how Han was badgering me over just trying to contribute. It may have been a "Who are we lynching?" and me just wanting to feel like I'd actually voted after the emotional response to you voting for me. Trying to get into my own head at that time is kinda rough... it all happened so fast. Part of my issue is that I'm too trusting. That's burned me in life before, sadly.

See I was hoping at some point that you would say you thought there was even a chance Han was scum but you've barely ever implied it and that's kinda suspicious. Unless you just really were motivated by everything except that

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Again, I have no idea. I just trusted the flow of the game and wanted to feel like I did something. I've not experienced anything like that in a very long time so I wasn't able to process my feelings of trust or not.

I tend to trust people far earlier than I should. That makes it hard to spot scum, which contributes to how impressionable I am. I'd presume all of this contributed to why my last Mafia game four years ago ended so disastrously.

Kinda bothered by how Ulti apparently has no one town cleared if he was gonna kill Red, doesn't town read Lea yet, and still thinks there's a possibility Death is town. Ugh. Lol

That's gonna take me going back and finding every post of mine where I pointed out why I think lea is town. So you'll have to give me a bit

PunishedBen posted...

See I was hoping at some point that you would say you thought there was even a chance Han was scum but you've barely ever implied it and that's kinda suspicious. Unless you just really were motivated by everything except that

I had no idea who could be scum without a flip or any hard facts. It wasn't just Han - the same was true for everyone: I didn't know who could be scum. Still don't aside from Death, actually, aside from IGCD's scans (you and Ulti) being town and Lea probably being town too. So it's just process of elimination. At least one of Kirby, Sheep, and SBell has to be scum.

ulti still thinks I'm scum... not his best game.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I had no idea who could be scum without a flip or any hard facts. It wasn't just Han - the same was true for everyone: I didn't know who could be scum. Still don't aside from Death, actually, aside from IGCD's scans (you and Ulti) being town and Lea probably being town too. So it's just process of elimination. At least one of Kirby, Sheep, and SBell has to be scum.

let's not play the sbell can still be scum game, it's never a good look.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I haven't said this once since your claim.

Where even is this 'Ulti has no town reads' BS coming from

you were thinking it. it's ok.

Votals while eating Trix Cereal that are actually shaped

[3] Death-Lea, BCT, Ulti

We got 48 hours.

Stop voting.

do not hammer, do not end the day early.

48 hours, we lynch death and I am then night killed.

Lots of time to find the rest of deaths team.

I do think the game is pretty much solved since I wouldnt be bringing Sheep up as scum if i wasnt so confident the others are town. I think if you kill Death, BCT, Sheep you win. I'll spend the rest of the day trying to prove that

First of all, I don't even need to go over every bullet point on Lea, because now that all claims are out we know that there is 0 reason for scum to have an untargetable. And do we really think Lea claims untargetable post 1 if she's not untargetable?

Lea is also the player here with probably the biggest difference in attitude between the last game where she was scum and this game.

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I will believe hes town when I actually see him flip town.

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Ulti opening with the exact same first post I wanted to make. Town points to Ulti. Also town points to MZero for the response!

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but if you won't believe I'm town until I flip, why am I getting town points without flipping??

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Good point! Would assuming you're town but lynching you anyway be a good compromise?

Big Lol if scum Sheep got caught on his first post.

PunishedBen posted...

Ulti posted...
I will believe hes town when I actually see him flip town.

Sheep007 posted...
Ulti opening with the exact same first post I wanted to make. Town points to Ulti. Also town points to MZero for the response!

MZero posted...
but if you won't believe I'm town until I flip, why am I getting town points without flipping??

Sheep007 posted...
Good point! Would assuming you're town but lynching you anyway be a good compromise?

Big Lol if scum Sheep got caught on his first post.

(oops wrong topic)

Sbell, did you get a scan last night?

Also, I'm 90% sure Plum's role pretty much confirms the existence of a tracker or watcher role. Given that everyone has claimed by now, and Sbell is un-countered, you're crazy if you still think Sbell is scum.

There is no way scum had an untargetable AND the ability to fuck with a tracker/watcher role (plum).

Lea for all intents and purposes is the games miller....

BCT, do you recall if there was anyone you would NOT have voted for at end of day 1?

Kirby321 posted...

Man, so this is my reputation on this board now lmao

On the topic of Plum, I feel like I'd need another day to really tell whether he's scum or not. But take that with a grain of salt; I'm bad at following the interactions between people earlier in the game.

This is so unfortunately on the nose that I have a hard time believing it came from a scum Kirby. We know the scum board at this time was just talking about how Plum needs to live one day. No way does scum admit it out loud like this

Kirby's been playing with me since we were infants. He's got a lot of games under his belt

There is an awkward fight of Plum VS Sheep and Death from post
#330-#350 on day 1 that I think is worth a read. That was when Plum picked out Sheep to fight for no real reason and thought Sheep voted for him even though he didnt. Potential scum bus orgy unless you can pick out something from it that Town clears Sheep. And that's the thing, I was hoping to find something like that but didnt.

masterplum posted...

I like Kirby. I can tell he is thinking through his thoughts. This also points at Red's vote on Kirby having strange timing. It seems like his vote on Kirby is almost an after thought

An incredibly rare town read coming from Plum. And I think he is just USING Kirby in this post to go after Red, who started to gain some suspicion as a counter lynch at this time.

Plum says here that Kirby being town points to Red having a suspicious vote on Kirby. I can tell Red was his target and having to say he town reads Kirby was the price.

More town points to Kirby

Me and lea are masons. That's how she is confirmed town

DUN DUN DUNNNNN

Ulti I thought you were the guy super into the power roles and the setup. Is Doctor the only protection we have?

##unvote
(for now)

Also, SBell I kinda doubt you're scum but what I meant was I haven't fully ruled it out yet. Sorry!

PunishedBen posted...

And do we really think Lea claims untargetable post 1 if she's not untargetable?

I don't know who's that gutsy tbh. It attracts attention, and if Lea's scum that was an incredibly bold play. Thinking of a possible scenario (this is just me theorizing the possibility)... it could have been so she'd slip under the radar and not have town actually target her. Completely logical maneuver. But I don't know how much sense that would make now.

Kirby321 posted...

Also, I'm 90% sure Plum's role pretty much confirms the existence of a tracker or watcher role. Given that everyone has claimed by now, and Sbell is un-countered, you're crazy if you still think Sbell is scum.

...you have a point. If SBell were scum and there was an actual tracker/watcher, someone would've come forward by now. Yeah... my bad.

PunishedBen posted...

BCT, do you recall if there was anyone you would NOT have voted for at end of day 1?

I don't recall, no. If Ulti rallied against someone else, good chance I'd have hopped on that too. It was end of D1 and I had no idea what I was doing. I was very easy to manipulate.

This vote for Plum when things are heating up and the lynch was tied [3}Plum and [3] Red looks good for Kirby . I cant quote all of his posts leading up to it but the thought process was natural

Kirby321 posted...

See, Red is giving me the same vibes as in Sir Chris Mafia, where I was 90% sure he was scum until my role told me that he was actually not scum. Day 1 Red just naturally pings scum, I guess?

Ugh, I'm feeling the same way I did whenever I pushed against Chris's lynch targets from last game. My head says, "Vote for Red. Lea and Han clearly see something that you don't, and if Plum is telling the truth, you just lost a valuable role." But my gut says, "Plum is lying. His behavior has been all over the place, and Hider alongside Invisible seems like overkill in this setup."

Has IGCD posted recently? He said that he feels like the attacks on Plum have been cyclical, where one person's attack on Plum led to another person justifying it with their own attack. I asked him if Plum flips town, who would be the most likely scum out of the people involved in those attacks on him.

My immediate thought after reading back is... Ulti. I liked Ulti's posts because he made good arguments against Plum, I felt. But I feel like (especially in last game) town usually gets mislynched not because they played poorly, but because someone else was controlling the narrative. And I feel like that would be fitting for Ulti if Plum flips town.

So... screw it. I'm going with my gut. ##Vote: Plum

I'm not even ISO'ing Kirby right now. I'm reading everything. But I'm rediscovering the posts this time that made me think "Oh yeah Kirby is town" to the point i so confidently declared it on day 2. usually I'm way too lazy to explain why someone looks good. And Lea has even way more posts I could point out if i wanted to. Its just too much

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I don't recall, no. If Ulti rallied against someone else, good chance I'd have hopped on that too. It was end of D1 and I had no idea what I was doing. I was very easy to manipulate.

Hmm. Because I foudn this post where Han made you give thoughts on someone day 1 and you ISO'd Plum.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

That's called "ISO" right? As in isolating, I think?

Since he has the most votes, I'm gonna do plum.

"Asking for a friend" here is... weird, sorta like he's implying that he's a miller. Miller's the one that scans as scum when he's not, right? So why would there be both an Invisible and a Miller?

He also asks for a mass claim (I presume joking) in post 11. This is followed by "Mafia players are like cops, they can't lie about their alignment." is... yeesh (Chang noted that plum never said he was town despite this, but plum tried to spin Ben's words here even though Ben directly said he was town.

Plum posted nothing on page 2, and on page 3 you're needling him about him saying you always think he's scum. He gets defensive, then admits he's still processing Lea's instant claim.

Is... he asking himself a question? Is this normal behavior?

This is... yikes.

And most of his posts thereafter are meaningless fluff.

...I have no idea why you think this is a good idea. Excuse me for not having all of your mafia knowledge instilled in me. I am town, get over it.

It was pretty definitive that you thought Plum was scum...so did you forget about this?

Hmm. I just saw the post where I said if Ulti is town then I believe BCT is town

Sheep is our guy aint he

Kirby only unvoted Plum to protect me by voting for Red which he HAD to do in order for me to live. Kirby was a good boy from the start

He voted Han at the last second but who could blame him. Han was a little off day 1. And before Han went crazy and started a train on me, Kirby was set to ride on the Plum lynch. He was ready to kill the extra kill. It was LUCK (good or bad) that changed the course of his vote

PunishedBen posted...

It was pretty definitive that you thought Plum was scum...so did you forget about this?

No, I did not. I don't know what that has to do with your question. You asked if there's anyone I would NOT have voted for. Plum was certainly toward the top of the list but then he claimed Hider. IIRC I thought people didn't want to lynch him anymore. Again, caught up in the rush, didn't have time to think.

Was Han telling me to ISO somebody not getting me to think a certain way? And maybe I got it in my head that I was being pushed around.

I really have no idea what I was thinking during that blur... or if I was thinking at all.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

No, I did not. I don't know what that has to do with your question. You asked if there's anyone I would NOT have voted for. Plum was certainly toward the top of the list but then he claimed Hider. IIRC I thought people didn't want to lynch him anymore. Again, caught up in the rush, didn't have time to think.

Was Han telling me to ISO somebody not getting me to think a certain way? And maybe I got it in my head that I was being pushed around.

I really have no idea what I was thinking during that blur... or if I was thinking at all.

Ah, well there ya go you tied it into my question. I asked that question because I was expecting if you were town to say you wouldn't have voted for Plum because of the hider claim. I gotta stop expecting things though since you've made it clear you were playing that day a bit differently than everyone else. But you did answer the question right there so I guess that counts

masterplum posted...

PunishedBen posted...

So here's the thing, I think Kirby is town. Or at least had the purest intentions at the end of day 1 of anyone voting for Han.

The order of events was -

Kirby tried to save me and voted for Red

He then later voted for Plum after I switched to Plum, again to make to Plum the majority over me. Good look for Kirby

Kirby votes Han. Again, to save me.

All three votes were consistent with protecting a townie from lynch. He didnt just vote Han but was also content to kill Red or Plum once me or Sheep moved to one of them. So he does not look like he was trying to protect a specific scum member. Isolate his posts at the end of day and it tracks. Also I liked Post #151 of Kirby's. Sounds genuine

Really think Kirby was the most town of the people on Han's lynch

This doesn't make sense.

It means Kirby is consistent, but I've consistently protected town before as scum to win town points.

If you are town then the lynch was between 3 town so Kirbys actions are back to being scummy because he killed the best player

If you are scum kirbys actions were scummy because he protected you.

...

You've actually talked me into a Kirby lynch

##Vote:Kirby

Lol I forgot about this. Scum did want to capitalize on that Han lynch and thought Kirby might have been one of the easier people to push day 2. This is clear looking back.

I swear I'm looking at all posts but all I'm seeing are the Kirby clearing ones

UltimaterializerX posted...

This bums me out. He's playing so well.

Granted, it's possible to play well as scum by just bussing everybody.

He promised he would bus next time. Promised in the scum discord and the post game topic. I would expect nothing less. I town read him because I felt like he was a great help to me all of day 1. And he was!

htaeD posted...

For someone who considers me a scum option, you sure do a lot of talking around me, Sheep

But hmm. This doesnt sound like a thing one scum should say about a scummate. Even if it was pretty accurate to what was going on. Right?

I firmly believe we are still at lynch Death, Sheep, BCT - win. And if Death isnt godfather or ninja, you are allowed to be paranoid about Ulti.

You are not allowed to be paranoid about Lea or Kirby anymore. Or Sbell of course

UltimaterializerX posted...

You still haven't answered my question. Why is Lea confirmed town? Your read and her claim are not enough.

Like Stu is dead to rights confirmed town. I come kind of close with the IGCD scan. No one else is like, 100% confirmed yet but BCT comes decently close.

You think BCT is close to being confirmed town? More than Ben or Lea? Seriously?

To quote Chris... Ulti, I'm concerned.

PunishedBen posted...

But hmm. This doesnt sound like a thing one scum should say about a scummate. Even if it was pretty accurate to what was going on. Right?

Ask yourself when the last time Death was scum and whether or not he'd bus somebody like that.

Because Lea almost drowned MZero last game with all of the tracker stuff going on (to the point that she posthumously helped MZero get lynched since Abacus and I were latched on to her logic). Putting suspicion on each other is not something I'd say scum wouldn't do, but it largely depends on who the person in question is. Some people are more willing to bus than others, I'd imagine.

The only thing stopping me is that we lynched Ulti for like EXACTLY this in the final 7 or so back in fire emblem mafia and he was town anyway

I do firmly believe scum has a counter to flavor scanner though