Current Events > Ohio Republicans wants to require teaching "both sides of holocaust"

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What? Like an in-depth analysis of how their population fell into fanaticism would be one thing, but that's certainly not what they're proposing.

I mean isn't this a good thing? There's a whole movie on this "Conspiracy" filmed in 2002 which depicts high ranking Nazi officials discussing "the final solution to the Jewish question". It's crazy how they thought of Jews as pests and non-human.

.......unless the purpose of this is to say that Nazis = good.....

Don't get me wrong, it's important to teach why and how the average German embraced Nazism and became perpetrators of the Holocaust, but that isn't teaching it as a valid "side" of an issue, and we all know that's not what they're going for here.

I mean isn't this a good thing? There's a whole movie on this "Conspiracy" filmed in 2002 which depicts high ranking Nazi officials discussing "the final solution to the Jewish question". It's crazy how they thought of Jews as pests and non-human.

.......unless the purpose of this is to say that Nazis = good.....

What? Like an in-depth analysis of how their population fell into fanaticism would be one thing, but that's certainly not what they're proposing.

What has happened to this nation that caused it to spiral down the sewers like this?

What has happened to this nation that caused it to spiral down the sewers like this?

It's really bad. Don't get me wrong, it's important to teach why and how the average German embraced Nazism and became perpetrators of the Holocaust, but that isn't teaching it as a valid "side" of an issue, and we all know that's not what they're going for here.

Also, a reminder that Hitler was heavily influenced by both Jim Crow laws and the American eugenics movement

I can't say i'm surprised here, but i wasn't aware the US had a eugenics movement.
Was it just an idea floating around, or was it being put into practice at the time?

Me being Swedish, i've always heard more emphasis on that Adolf first and foremost took inspiration from the Swedish eugenics program.

Though i guess people can get inspired from multiple sources

Of course they do

Many Republicans/conservatives are wannabe Nazis so it makes sense

If it were as simple as "most of the GOP are secretly fascists" it'd be a lot easier to fight back.

What? Like an in-depth analysis of how their population fell into fanaticism would be one thing, but that's certainly not what they're proposing.

Republicans: "Okay, but what if we tried to understand the Nazis' perspective?"

"Today class, we will learn exactly why Germany felt Jews were responsible for their issues, and hear the valid perspectives of the nazis."

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https://ohiohouse.gov/members/brigid-kelly/news/ohio-republican-lawmaker-wants-to-require-teaching- german-soldiers-holocaust-perspective-in-classroom-censorship-bill-109363

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so Is this about holocaust denial or trying to prepare children for the world Trump wishes for?

I don't have a soft spot for them, I was part of it for two decades. I know the average GOP voter.

The problem isn't that these folk actually agree with all this corrupt, evil shit going on. The problem is that 90%+ of them think that none of it is actually true, or that it's heavily spun by the liberal media.

The few GOP friends I have who paid attention to the Jan 6 hearings have confided in me that they straight-up could no longer support the man. The problem is that the vast majority of GOP voters listen to folks like Tucker Carlson, who tell them that it's all a show and shouldn't be watched because it's propaganda.

Even my dad, the most hardcore traditional Republican I know (but nevertheless always values my input) has finally lost his will to vote for what he calls the "Trump GOP."

The bigger issue with the GOP, as I see it, is that both the politicians and voters live in a HEAVILY controlled misinformation echo chamber that results in all of them seeing and hearing the same things, and not seeing/hearing the stuff everyone else does. And that creates an entire group of people who almost quite literally see an entirely different reality than everyone else. It's Orwellian and disturbing, and it goes way beyond just fascism/racism/etc. It's a kind of creepy authoritarianism that ironically is quite contrary to traditional conservatism, but they don't have enough knowledge to realize it.

When all you see on FOX, every single day, is 25% Trump cronies making false election fraud claims (without rebuttals or fact checking), 25% COVID misinformation, 25% Hunter Biden laptop stories and 25% Culture Wars... you don't actually see the real world. These people are legitimately brainwashed. It's not just extreme political views - it's that they are in a carefully constructed alternate reality that is not the real world, and they don't even realize it.

There was a recent study where they took a bunch of FOX News viewers and had them watch CNN (or another news network besides FOX) for a few weeks, and after those few weeks - they were basically entirely different people, with many expressing genuine surprise at all the things FOX didn't talk about.

In short, when you think "who could see Jan 6 and think that was OK?" you're not really asking the right question. NO ONE (except absolute nutcases) would see the full picture of Jan 6 and think it was OK. But the average GOP voter didn't see Jan 6. They saw Laura Ingrahm ask if Antifa was involved. They saw Sean Hannity interview Mike Lindell. That's the news they saw.

I witnessed countless people die of COVID over the past two years, and I will NEVER forget about all the patients who expressed legitimate shock at the cognitive dissonance of realizing that COVID actually was real and actually was dangerous. Or the patient who innocently noted that FOX spent all the time talking about the blood clots from the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, but never mentioned that 1 in 10 COVID patients get blood clots. She legitimately said she didn't know COVID causes blood clots - because FOX didn't tell her.

That's the problem.

who the fuck sponsored this bill? He/she needs to be investigated now.

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA134-HB-327

Diane Grendell and Sarah Fowler Arthur.
Co sponsors
Cindy Abrams
Thomas E. Brinkman Jr.
Jamie Callender
Sara P. Carruthers
Gary Click
Rodney Creech
Jon Cross
Al Cutrona
Bill Dean
Jay Edwards
Ron Ferguson
Timothy E. Ginter
Jennifer Gross
Adam Holmes
Marilyn S. John
Mark Johnson
Kris Jordan
Darrell Kick
Mike Loychik
Riordan T. McClain
Derek Merrin
Phil Plummer
Jena Powell
Tracy M. Richardson
Craig S. Riedel
Jean Schmidt
Dick Stein
Jason Stephens
Reggie Stoltzfus
A. Nino Vitale
Scott Wig gam
Bob Young
Tom Young
Paul Zeltwanger

This is a good summary/observation, almost like you are flexing the MPH skills.

On a tangential note, was your father always a conservative (prior to the 1/6 investigation)? Both of my parents are first generation immigrants and pretty left/liberal (in worldview especially), so I was surprised to find out that a lot of first generation immigrants had more conservative outlook.