Current Events > is abbey from the last us of really even that buff

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She looks kinda thick/stocky not even buff to me IDK. If she has more muscle than the average guy, that guy really needs to workout

Can she crush a watermelon between her thighs

Slayerblade11 posted...

that guy really needs to workout

Literal toxic masculinity smh.

She's just incredibly androgynous looking

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/6/5/AADy-OAADeHF.jpg

Looks natty

Not really. Hard to get good gear in the apocalypse.

wtf

They literally hired a female bodybuilder to Mocap her (except her face)

So yes, she really is as buff as a lady can get without using drugs.

even if she is, so? they have a gym, pretty sure they mention that she's always training, and they eat burritos all the time.

idk how you can't accept that but accept mushroom zombies and shit.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

wtf

They literally hired a female bodybuilder to Mocap her (except her face)

So yes, she really is as buff as a lady can get without using drugs.

Which in reality isn't big at all.

pauIie posted...

and they eat burritos all the time.

This is where it kinda falls apart

Someone who eats nothing but Burritos (and scarce amounts of them at that) wouldn't really be buff

It's hard to imagine anyone on a bodybuilder diet 20 years into a zombie apocolypse

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

This is where it kinda falls apart

Someone who eats nothing but Burritos (and scarce amounts of them at that) wouldn't really be buff

It's hard to imagine anyone on a bodybuilder diet 20 years into a zombie apocolypse

Why wouldn't they be buff? Despite all the bullshit you'll hear about diets as long as you have a caloric surplus and you lift, you're gonna build muscle.

I always did find it funny when angry nerds were nitpicking how she could possibly be buff and calling it unrealistic, but doesn't question characters like Marcus Fenix.

Kitt posted...

I always did find it funny when angry nerds were nitpicking how she could possibly be buff and calling it unrealistic, but doesn't question characters like Marcus Fenix.

Gears of War doesn't attempt a more realistic somber tone though. It's about big burly guys shooting giant aliens while explosions happen.

There's a reason why there's no really buff dudes or dudettes in This War of Mine for example.

Same reason the same dudes aren't mad at the muscle chicks in Overwatch and Borderlands.

And in their defense the man with ridiclously amazing hair during the zombie apocolypse got just as many people making fun of it.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

This is where it kinda falls apart

Someone who eats nothing but Burritos (and scarce amounts of them at that) wouldn't really be buff

It's hard to imagine anyone on a bodybuilder diet 20 years into a zombie apocolypse

while they say something like "burritos again?" there's no indication of exactly how often they have them. just that they're tired of them at that time. could be 3 days in a row, could be 2 weeks, who knows. also aren't there supplements scattered all over the place? and i used to be subscribed to a channel of two guys that were pretty buff, buffer than abby, regularly eating entire pizzas and multiple hamburgers (hodge twins). i'm no nutritionist or workout guru but abbys muscles seems believable.

idk how people are nit picky about this but mushroom zombies and the rat king are perfectly fine.

pauIie posted...

while they say something like "burritos again?" there's no indication of exactly how often they have them. just that they're tired of them at that time. could be 3 days in a row, could be 2 weeks, who knows. also aren't there supplements scattered all over the place? and i used to be subscribed to a channel of two guys that were pretty buff, buffer than abby, regularly eating entire pizzas and multiple hamburgers (hodge twins). i'm no nutritionist or workout guru but abbys muscles seems believable.

idk how people are nit picky about this but mushroom zombies and the rat king are perfectly fine.

Because the zombies and mushrooms are explained in lore.

How Abby was able to match someone who has to dedicate their life to bodybuilding in a first world country in our reality.... during a zombie apocoypse on a mostly carb scarce diet while frequently on the move.... It's just kinda bad writing.

And then you get into the fact this wasn't a minor side character, this was the new protaganist of the game you were supposed to spend half your time with, getting to know and understand.

Same way if Jesse was 412 pounds and got around on a scooter, people would make fun of it. Even though there's plenty of those in the real world today.

whenever the gamer hivemind is mad about something nowadays people spiral down into a rabbit hole of trying to cinemasins ding everything they can to perpetuate the outrage. its really boring, and that comes from a person who doesnt like last of us 1 or 2 at all

HovaRex posted...

Why wouldn't they be buff? Despite all the bullshit you'll hear about diets as long as you have a caloric surplus and you lift, you're gonna build muscle.

Here's a female bodybuilder the same size as Abby IRL weighing in:

In 4 years, through research and experience gained over time, I took myself from being 265 pounds to what you see in the pic. I had no trainers, no diets, no programs, just my own research and hard work in and out of the gym. I'm presenting and refuting the most common arguments I've seen for why Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world (not in the real world).

Abby had access to a full gym!
So? A lot more goes into building muscle than just lifting weights and eating protein. You need to factor in rest. Muscle fibers are damaged when you lift weights, then they repair (growing bigger and harder) during REST. Ok she takes rest days. What about when she's lifting heavy obstructions to traverse the world, killing and fighting infected and Scars, and being attacked? This not only uses her muscles but puts a tremendous amount of stress on her body and mind. In the game Owen says that Abby has nightmares and talks in her sleep, which indicates she isn't getting uninterrupted sleep.

Routine
The way you lift weights makes a difference. The number of sets and reps, the amount of weight you lift, whether you use dumbbells, barbells or machines - all matter. 10 pounds for 20 reps won't yield the same results as 40 pounds for 8 reps, or 60 pounds for 1 rep. Abby's routine is shown in the game, and here's a picture of it: https://imgur.com/a/6OR60px

Her routine only specifically mentions "weights" on Thursdays of Month 4. That's 4x in 2 months she's lifting. She does yoga "routines" 8x in 2 months. By specifically saying "weights," this indicates that her other exercises (full body, upper body) do not include weights. Show me a bodybuilder or powerlifter who got their muscles and strength by doing primarily bodyweight exercises and yoga, and make sure it's a female.

Also, Abby's muscles as a female are intentional (can't speak for men because I'm not one). Women need to want and train for muscles like that; they don't happen from just being active. She would have to do specific routines and have a strict diet to achieve that physique. Dirty bulking (eating a lot of whatever junk food you want) will build muscle but also a lot of fat. When I want to get stronger, I lift heavy, eat more, and have some carbs before I train. When I want to get leaner and have more muscle definition, I lift lighter, don't rest as much between sets, and I lift fasted so I burn more calories. This is all strategic and much more complex than "lift weights, eat protein, get jacked."

The WLF has farms and gardens and stuff! Obviously she's getting enough food!

All the game shows us is Abby standing in line, just like everyone else, to get a "burrito...again." She scolds Manny for taking an extra burrito, which indicates that food is rationed and people take what they're given, including Abby. Abby is shown in the game to have no control over what and how much she eats. The game simply had to show one scene indicating that Abby ate more food, had some control over what/how much she ate, was consuming more protein than is in a burrito, etc. This wasn't shown. With Naughty Dog's famous attention to detail, you'd think they'd include this in a scene.

I can keep going with this but it's long enough. I wrote this because I'm tired of all the misinformation being put out there by people who have no idea what they're talking about. I'm not an expert; I have much more to learn. But I also have a few years of experience building muscle, not from taking Zumba class twice a week, getting my "facts" from fitness memes and talking out my ass. I would even go so far as to say that women have to work harder than men when it comes to putting on size because of our body chemistry.

How dare you simplify and downplay all the years of sacrifice and hard work muscular females put in simply because you think building muscle is so easy, especially for a woman. That's pretty sexist if you ask me.

I posted this because so many people mistakenly believe that all it takes to build muscle is working out and eating protein. This idea does a disservice to everyone, male and female, who lives an entire lifestyle dedicated to changing their bodies, from when they wake up to when they go to sleep. It's like saying someone who got straight A's paid their professors off. It downplays all their hard work.

"All you have to do is move more than you eat and lift and you'll be jacked" is just bullshit.

That's what you have to do to not be fat. You need plans, workout routines, strict diets to be a bodybuilder. It takes considerable effort and time.

Those dudes you know who eat a ton of pizza probably take supplements and eat a ton of other stuff too. They don't just eat a pizza a day and lift twice a week.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Here's a female bodybuilder the same size as Abby IRL weighing in:

In 4 years, through research and experience gained over time, I took myself from being 265 pounds to what you see in the pic. I had no trainers, no diets, no programs, just my own research and hard work in and out of the gym. I'm presenting and refuting the most common arguments I've seen for why Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world (not in the real world).

Abby had access to a full gym!
So? A lot more goes into building muscle than just lifting weights and eating protein. You need to factor in rest. Muscle fibers are damaged when you lift weights, then they repair (growing bigger and harder) during REST. Ok she takes rest days. What about when she's lifting heavy obstructions to traverse the world, killing and fighting infected and Scars, and being attacked? This not only uses her muscles but puts a tremendous amount of stress on her body and mind. In the game Owen says that Abby has nightmares and talks in her sleep, which indicates she isn't getting uninterrupted sleep.

Routine
The way you lift weights makes a difference. The number of sets and reps, the amount of weight you lift, whether you use dumbbells, barbells or machines - all matter. 10 pounds for 20 reps won't yield the same results as 40 pounds for 8 reps, or 60 pounds for 1 rep. Abby's routine is shown in the game, and here's a picture of it: https://imgur.com/a/6OR60px

Her routine only specifically mentions "weights" on Thursdays of Month 4. That's 4x in 2 months she's lifting. She does yoga "routines" 8x in 2 months. By specifically saying "weights," this indicates that her other exercises (full body, upper body) do not include weights. Show me a bodybuilder or powerlifter who got their muscles and strength by doing primarily bodyweight exercises and yoga, and make sure it's a female.

Also, Abby's muscles as a female are intentional (can't speak for men because I'm not one). Women need to want and train for muscles like that; they don't happen from just being active. She would have to do specific routines and have a strict diet to achieve that physique. Dirty bulking (eating a lot of whatever junk food you want) will build muscle but also a lot of fat. When I want to get stronger, I lift heavy, eat more, and have some carbs before I train. When I want to get leaner and have more muscle definition, I lift lighter, don't rest as much between sets, and I lift fasted so I burn more calories. This is all strategic and much more complex than "lift weights, eat protein, get jacked."

The WLF has farms and gardens and stuff! Obviously she's getting enough food!

All the game shows us is Abby standing in line, just like everyone else, to get a "burrito...again." She scolds Manny for taking an extra burrito, which indicates that food is rationed and people take what they're given, including Abby. Abby is shown in the game to have no control over what and how much she eats. The game simply had to show one scene indicating that Abby ate more food, had some control over what/how much she ate, was consuming more protein than is in a burrito, etc. This wasn't shown. With Naughty Dog's famous attention to detail, you'd think they'd include this in a scene.

I can keep going with this but it's long enough. I wrote this because I'm tired of all the misinformation being put out there by people who have no idea what they're talking about. I'm not an expert; I have much more to learn. But I also have a few years of experience building muscle, not from taking Zumba class twice a week, getting my "facts" from fitness memes and talking out my ass. I would even go so far as to say that women have to work harder than men when it comes to putting on size because of our body chemistry.

How dare you simplify and downplay all the years of sacrifice and hard work muscular females put in simply because you think building muscle is so easy, especially for a woman. That's pretty sexist if you ask me.

I posted this because so many people mistakenly believe that all it takes to build muscle is working out and eating protein. This idea does a disservice to everyone, male and female, who lives an entire lifestyle dedicated to changing their bodies, from when they wake up to when they go to sleep. It's like saying someone who got straight A's paid their professors off. It downplays all their hard work.

"All you have to do is move more than you eat and lift and you'll be jacked" is just bullshit.

That's what you have to do to not be fat. You need plans, workout routines, strict diets to be a bodybuilder. It takes considerable effort and time.

Those dudes you know who eat a ton of pizza probably take supplements and eat a ton of other stuff too. They don't just eat a pizza a day and lift twice a week.

Bullshit. It's not more complicated than that. I need pics of this female "bodybuilder." btw to compare her body type/size to the shit she's saying.

All it takes to build muscle is a caloric surplus, and to lift weights. Someone who tells you otherwise is full of shit, or trying to rationalize their lifestyle.

Maybe, If you're competing at a professional level like a Women's Bikini Competition at the Olympia (the absolute pinnacle of women's bodybuilding) then yes you will micromanage your diet, routine as your competing against other world class competitiors who do the same thing.

I work for a major nutritional supplement company that sponsors plenty of females who have the same features as Abby.

I don't why people that hate women and anything "leftist" need to make excuses for why they dislike a game they were never gonna like.

Abby's musculature doesn't need explaining any more than a game needs to justify how someone is a blonde

HovaRex posted...

I work for a major nutritional supplement company

Lol

HovaRex posted...

that sponsors plenty of females who have the same features as Abby.

So your supplement company sponsors female bodybuilders who don't take supplements, don't diet and don't have a bodybuilders workout routine?

And it's so easy to do that all you have to do is lift a little, not each much and walk about... Which of course is why we need supplement companies and why you sponsor bodybuilders in the first place.

As is well established you always sponsor things everyone can do easily and then make a product you just argued doesn't need to exist.

Clearly it's the female bodybuilders who are lying, your logic is too sound.

Considering what she looked like at the end isld say yes.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Lol

? Why would you make a passive aggressive comment like that.

So your supplement company sponsors female bodybuilders who don't take supplements, don't diet and don't have a bodybuilders workout routine?

Yes

And it's so easy to do that all you have to do is lift a little, not each much and walk about... Which of course is why we need supplement companies and why you sponsor bodybuilders in the first place.

Never said that you have to lift seriously and eat a caloric surplus. Heavy cardio will help to tone things out.

As is well established you always sponsor things everyone can do easily and then make a product you just argued doesn't need to exist.

Literally never said that. I said Abby's physiques is attainable without any of it.

When I saw that sex scene, I thought it was 2 dudes fucking. I can't get off to that >_>

It's attainable in this reality with a workout plan and diet. It's not attainable in a zombie apocolypse.

I don't agree for one second with your "The bodybuilders are lying for some reason. It's actually easy and anyone can do it without dieting or a workout program, just a caloric surplus and life weights, which is why my company sells supplements people don't need and pays the rare handful of muscular women we can find to promotie the supplements they don't need since this shit is so easy."

Hell the world wouldn't be full of fatasses if that was the case. There'd be a lot more muscular women. You wouldn't even need sponsors, your product would be useless.

Hell they had to hire two actresses to Mocap Abbey because there was so few female bodybuilers her size that they couldn't find one with a pretty face and hired a more attractive actress just to do her face.

Nothing you're saying makes any sense. You're arguing against your own point and claiming women who really are the size of Abbey are lying about it for mysterious unknown purposes.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

It's attainable in this reality with a workout plan and diet. It's not attainable in a zombie apocolypse.

I don't agree for one second with your "The bodybuilders are lying for some reason. It's actually easy and anyone can do it without dieting or a workout program, just a caloric surplus and life weights, which is why my company sells supplements people don't need and pays the rare handful of muscular women we can find to promotie the supplements they don't need since this shit is so easy."

Hell the world wouldn't be full of fatasses if that was the case. There'd be a lot more muscular women. You wouldn't even need sponsors, your product would be useless.

Hell they had to hire two actresses to Mocap Abbey because there was so few female bodybuilers her size that they couldn't find one with a pretty face and hired a more attractive actress just to do her face.

Nothing you're saying makes any sense. You're arguing against your own point and claiming women who really are the size of Abbey are lying about it for mysterious unknown purposes.

The products are mostly useless. That's why they hire jacked people to try and get dummies into buying them.

I'm not saying women the size of Abby are lying, I'm saying the person who's post you quoted was full of shit, and over exaggerating.

Never once have I said it's "easy" it's not easy, but it's nowhere near as hard as you're pretending.

_HayleyWilliams posted...

I don't why people that hate women and anything "leftist" need to make excuses for why they dislike a game they were never gonna like.

Abby's musculature doesn't need explaining any more than a game needs to justify how someone is a blonde

What's funny is, the people going to extremely ridiculous lengths to criticize the believability of her muscular build tends to be the same people who get upset when characters like Batman or whatever gets called out for having "unrealistic" proportions and body types.
People who complain about that stuff is stupid too, but it's humorous seeing the irony when the people who defend that go all in on Abby.

Here's an example of one chick who collects paychecks from our dumbass company

https://www.instagram.com/p/CgHj-LJravs/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

She doesn't take any supplements, she doesn't have a crazy regiment. She has good genetics and goes hard when she's in the gym.

HovaRex posted...

I'm not saying women the size of Abby are lying, I'm saying the person who's post you quoted was full of s***, and over exaggerating.

https://i.imgur.com/9bqVQcE.png

"I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying they're lying."

uhuh

Never once have I said it's "easy" it's not easy, but it's nowhere near as hard as you're pretending.

So your businsess successfully sells a useless product and it's not hard to be buff, yet hardly anyone is and the few who are disagree with you and say it is hard and takes diet and hard work....

And everyone except you is pretending.

If you say so.

Personally I think you're full of it. But if your counter-argument is to just declare people liars, argue against your own logic and ignore the reality of the make up of the population, I don't know what else to say.

Hell even the most basic P.Ts and doctors advice doesn't jive with what you're saying. Naughty Dogs own hiring practices doesn't jive with what you're saying. Basic sport and athletics doesn't jive with what you're saying.

Oh God you're actually using instagram models (who aren't as big as Abby) to argue how easy it is to be buff....

Okie-dokie...

Kitt posted...

What's funny is, the people going to extremely ridiculous lengths to criticize the believability of her muscular build tends to be the same people who get upset when characters like Batman or whatever gets called out for having "unrealistic" proportions and body types.
People who complain about that stuff is stupid too, but it's humorous seeing the irony when the people who defend that go all in on Abby.

if anyone is going all in it's the anti abby buff guy

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

There's a reason why there's no really buff dudes or dudettes in This War of Mine for example.

This War of Mine is meant to be a realistic and depressing take on what it's like to be living in a war. You aren't using guns to slaughter dozens of people at a time in it.

The Last of Us is an zombie drama action game.

This is a really poor comparison.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

https://i.imgur.com/9bqVQcE.png

"I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying they're lying."

Not what I said, but ok.

So your businsess successfully sells a useless product and it's not hard to be buff, yet hardly anyone is and the few who are disagree with you and say it is hard and takes diet and hard work....

And everyone except you is pretending.

Never said that. Stop.

Personally I think you're full of it. But if your counter-argument is to just declare people liars, argue against your own logic and ignore the reality of the make up of the population, I don't know what else to say.

Never said that. Stop.

Oh God you're actually using instagram models (who aren't as big as Abby) to argue how easy it is to be buff....

Okie-dokie...

She's a random example of a sponsored athlete who doesn't do any of things you said are required to be in shape.

You don't even know what female bodybuilding is tbh, you think Abby is an example of one, but you're wrong. She has the physique of a power lifter, not a "bodybuilder" which actually does not exist as far as the female competitors go.

Again. The things you listed help, sure, but people try to gatekeep fitness by saying you have to have these ridiculous regiments and disciplines to gain muscle and that's just not true.

HovaRex posted...

but people try to gatekeep fitness by saying you have to have these ridiculous regiments and disciplines to gain muscle and that's just not true

You're moving the goalposts. Nobody said "fitness" we're talking about Abby-size women

"All you have to do is move more than you eat and lift and you'll be jacked" is just bulls***.

That's what you have to do to not be fat. You need plans, workout routines, strict diets to be a bodybuilder. It takes considerable effort and time.

That was my post (and the tl;dr of the bodybuilder you're calling a liar) and now you're arguing the very point I was making that you were arguing against

Gonna take that as you agreeing with me and stop replying before you just brand me a liar and argue against yourself some more.

Punished_Blinx posted...

This War of Mine is meant to be a realistic and depressing take on what it's like to be living in a war. You aren't using guns to slaughter dozens of people at a time in it.

The Last of Us is an zombie drama action game.

This is a really poor comparison.

I didn't say they were the same game, they just both go for more realistic tones than Gears of War, Borderlands, Overwatch, Undertale etc.

You can't use people not complaining about wacky character designs in a goofy game that's not supposed to be serious and then use that to defend something that's intending for you to engage with it as a realistic world.

As I mentioned the dude with amazing hair got just as much flack as Abby did (well per capita, he got a ltitle less but he was a less major character)

His hair would also not look out place in a goofy game, but it would in This War of Mine.

It's not a defense of Abbey to go "well nobody complains when intentionally goofy stupid games do it!" if anything that's just pointing out why it rubbed people wrong in TLOU2.

And you can see from the Hova guy the harm in spreading that kind of misinformation about bodybuilding around.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

You're moving the goalposts. Nobody said "fitness" we're talking about Abby-size women

No I'm not. You can achieve Abby's physique with a caloric surplus and lifting. That's always been my point.

"All you have to do is move more than you eat and lift and you'll be jacked" is just bulls***.

That's what you have to do to not be fat. You need plans, workout routines, strict diets to be a bodybuilder. It takes considerable effort and time.

That was my post (and the tl;dr of the bodybuilder you're calling a liar) and now you're arguing the very point I was making that you were arguing against

How exactly am I doing that?

I dont know of any guys that would want to fuck a girl that looks like that. Anecdotal for sure.

Lairen posted...

I dont know of any guys that would want to fuck a girl that looks like that. Anecdotal for sure.

I would

Yes

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I would

I dont know you.

And that sex scene was hilarious.

Here's an example of a chick with a "Abby like physique" who does literally none of things you seem to think are required to get big:

https://imgur.com/a/hnKHhG1

https://imgur.com/a/Y7wtZkQ

She lifts, and she eats...

So you have a quote from her (who also isn't as big as abbey) saying she doesn't diet, work out to a schedule or use supplements and arguing against people who say they have to work hard to get their bodybuilder body?

No I didn't think so.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

So you have a quote from her saying she doesn't diet, work out to a schedule or use supplements and arguing against people who say they have to work hard to get their bodybuilder body?

I can get her to. Standby

No I didn't think so.

I never said you didn't have to work hard. Quote me where I said it was easy.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

wtf

They literally hired a female bodybuilder to Mocap her (except her face)

So yes, she really is as buff as a lady can get without using drugs.

I remember people saying she was using enhancers but I have no knowledge on the matter so I can't say.

So many posters in this topic are giving off small dick energy

TMOG posted...

So many posters in this topic are giving off small dick energy

Abbey sure doesnt

Lairen posted...

Abbey sure doesnt

Exhibit A

HovaRex posted...

I never said you didn't have to work hard Quote me where I said it was easy.

You said the bodybuilders who said it was hard was lying.
You said you could get Abbey's body without a diet or work out schedule.

then you changed tacts to "Fitness" and your examples were instagram models who use supplements and you have nothing that says they don't diet or workout

Slayer_22 posted...

I remember people saying she was using enhancers but I have no knowledge on the matter so I can't say.

That wouldn't make sense

If they had drugs like that they would give it to men, not women.

TMOG posted...

Exhibit A

Exhibit Ds

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

You said the bodybuilders who said it was hard was lying.

Nope I said: All it takes to build muscle is a caloric surplus, and to lift weights. Someone who tells you otherwise is full of s***, or trying to rationalize their lifestyle.

You said you could get Abbey's body without a diet or work out schedule.

This is true

then you changed tacts to "Fitness" and your examples were instagram models who use supplements and you have nothing that says they don't diet or workout

Nope, they don't use supplements you're just erroneously stating they do.

Also my friend is way bigger than Abby are you blind? Waiting on her to hit me back. I just texted her.

you could be right that in a post apocalyptic world where humans are showing the worst parts of themselves and there's no laws, that men would want/take all the supplements. but it's also possible that she requests that as a reward for going out and doing well on their excursions. also supplements are scattered all over the place. who's to say she couldn't take one as she finds it, or before they return? you certainly do that in the game.

my explanation is unproven, but so is yours.

pauIie posted...

you could be right that in a post apocalyptic world where humans are showing the worst parts of themselves and there's no laws, that men would want/take all the supplements. but it's also possible that she requests that as a reward for going out and doing well on their excursions. also supplements are scattered all over the place. who's to say she couldn't take one as she finds it, or before they return? you certainly do that in the game.

my explanation is unproven, but so is yours.

Sure but this isn't a rag tag band of bandits. This is a community that's looking out for self-interest.

If they had access to a limited supply of steroids or other supplements, they wouldn't be giving them out to women.

And Abbey is the only one there who is that muscular.

It wouldn't make sense for the goals of the community.

And if Abbey found them herself and kept them secretly instead of giving them to the community, that would go against her character.

It's like saying "Well how do you know Abbey didn't have a secret identical twin?"

Well we don't but it seems far more unlikely than likely based on what we do know