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Tyranthraxus 07/25/22 9:19:33 AM #1: |
This is a watermelon https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/3/2/AARLwzAADfcg.jpg --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Big_Nabendu 07/25/22 9:23:01 AM #2: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/4/6/AAW5a5AADeFO.jpg --- The embrace of the Dark is gentle. Let it absorb your sorrows, forever. \[T]/ Owner of the 500 board and Leader of sunbro board GT Nabendu ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Holy_Cloud105 07/25/22 9:23:20 AM #3: |
Maybe you just picked up an unripe watermelon since that's what they look like. --- Currently Playing: Final Fantasy XIV and Lost Judgment ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Letron_James 07/25/22 9:27:20 AM #4: |
Idk the watermelon I ate from small towns in Italy were by far the tastiest ones I ever had and I doubt they were filled with all the garbage that is sprayed on crops in America --- Ask me if I would eat da booty. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/25/22 9:29:30 AM #5: |
Holy_Cloud105 posted... Maybe you just picked up an unripe watermelon since that's what they look like.Nah this is what watermelons looked like before we performed thousands of years of selective breeding to get what we wanted. Same exact deal as bananas. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TetsuoS2 07/25/22 10:02:12 AM #6: |
how did u get a camera to shoot with that far back into the past. --- Lurker by trade just an idiot passing through ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VeryFatKid 07/25/22 10:04:56 AM #7: |
I think the picture is a regular wild watermelon, but I don't see what that has to do with the terms organic or gmo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 07/25/22 11:05:53 AM #8: |
Letron_James posted... Idk the watermelon I ate from small towns in Italy were by far the tastiest ones I ever had and I doubt they were filled with all the garbage that is sprayed on crops in America Why would they not use cheap pesticides? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 07/25/22 11:07:14 AM #9: |
Letron_James posted... Idk the watermelon I ate from small towns in Italy were by far the tastiest ones I ever had and I doubt they were filled with all the garbage that is sprayed on crops in America....You think GMOs are pesticides? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/25/22 11:38:40 AM #10: |
fwiw selective breeding isn't considered "gmo". Neither bananas or watermelons are actually "gmo". --- https://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7fCcfko.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 07/25/22 11:42:15 AM #11: |
Organic also doesn't just mean non-gmo. Organic means they are not allowed to use pesticides, among other things, and it's a government certification. --- She left me roses by the stairs. Surprises let me know she cares. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 07/25/22 11:43:42 AM #12: |
This is corn: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/5/AAEhCpAADfdz.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 07/25/22 11:44:18 AM #13: |
Damn_Underscore posted... Organic also doesn't just mean non-gmo. Organic means they are not allowed to use pesticides, among other things, and it's a government certification. Doesnt it only mean they cant use non "natural" pesticides? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 07/25/22 11:44:33 AM #14: |
I think you're mixing up some terms, TC. But you are right in spirit. Anti-GMO people are chucklefucks. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 07/25/22 11:45:28 AM #15: |
LightHawKnight posted... Doesnt it only mean they cant use non "natural" pesticides? I don't know what the exact restrictions are. But there are restrictions. --- She left me roses by the stairs. Surprises let me know she cares. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/25/22 11:47:23 AM #16: |
Bio1590 posted... fwiw selective breeding isn't considered "gmo". Neither bananas or watermelons are actually "gmo". It can. All depends on who you're asking. There's a push to drop the GMO label in favor of GEO (Engineered vs Modified) because the definition of GMO is too vague and there's little international consensus. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Proto_Spark 07/25/22 11:47:30 AM #17: |
Damn_Underscore posted... Organic also doesn't just mean non-gmo. Organic means they are not allowed to use pesticides, among other things, and it's a government certification. Organic crops are allowed to use pesticides. They aren't allowed to use to couple specific pesticides that are synthetic (most notably stuff like Glyphosate) But selective breeding and artificial selection pressures don't really count as "GMO" - those are saved for when we tinker with the genome. Otherwise literally nothing would really qualify as organic. Aren't Bananas the ones that literally can't reproduce on their own because we've bred the seeds down so small? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/25/22 11:53:11 AM #18: |
Proto_Spark posted...
"Depends" You know you can't grow apples by planting the seeds either. I mean like, you'll get a tree and it will grow apples but they won't be the apple you planted and they'll taste like shit. Same thing with avocados. The way we perpetuate apple and avocado orchards is by grafting, where you plant a seed, grow a sprout, cut it off at the top and then stick in a twig from the plant that you're trying to grow and if you're lucky the twig ends up taking over the sprout and becomes the new tree. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/25/22 11:54:11 AM #19: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
Yeah maybe if you're asking the anti-gmo "GMOs are scary!" people. There's nothing "genetically modified" about either the bananas or watermelons you buy at a retail store. Something like corn on the other hand? Yes. --- https://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7fCcfko.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/25/22 11:56:25 AM #20: |
Proto_Spark posted... Aren't Bananas the ones that literally can't reproduce on their own because we've bred the seeds down so small? Some store-bought peppers aren't possible to grow again from the seeds they contain. (Which makes me wonder why not just eliminate the seeds?) --- https://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7fCcfko.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightHawKnight 07/25/22 11:58:01 AM #21: |
Bio1590 posted... Some store-bought peppers aren't possible to grow again from the seeds they contain. Isnt a decent portion of the heat from the seeds? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 07/25/22 11:58:07 AM #22: |
Proto_Spark posted... But selective breeding and artificial selection pressures don't really count as "GMO" - those are saved for when we tinker with the genomeBut that's exactly what selective breeding does. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VeryFatKid 07/25/22 12:04:25 PM #24: |
yeah I've heard all banana and apple trees are actually clones of one particular individual the ones that are harvested for our groceries anyway ... Copied to Clipboard!
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faizan_faizan 07/25/22 1:15:49 PM #25: |
14th century watermelon perfectly preserved --- Allergic to bull****. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 07/25/22 1:19:27 PM #26: |
Banana https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/5/AAEhCpAADffN.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/25/22 1:20:26 PM #27: |
ZMythos posted...
No, GMO is straight-up gene editing that would be impossible without modern scientific advancements. For example corn has had a protein inserted into it that kills certain pests if they try and eat it, which would be impossible to attain otherwise because said protein never naturally occurred in corn. Whereas something like the cotton candy-flavoured grapes are not GMO despite being selectively bred for decades because everything that was done to produce them was "natural". LightHawKnight posted...
Maybe for some of the more specialized peppers but I mean for like the green/red/orange/yellow bell peppers you buy from the store. People don't eat the seeds from those. --- https://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7fCcfko.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 07/25/22 1:22:10 PM #28: |
Damn_Underscore posted... Organic also doesn't just mean non-gmo. Organic means they are not allowed to use pesticides, among other things, and it's a government certification. Not correct. Organics use pesticides, too. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 07/25/22 1:23:31 PM #29: |
Almonds: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/9/AAEhCpAADffR.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/25/22 1:28:18 PM #30: |
Bio1590 posted... No, GMO is straight-up gene editing that would be impossible without modern scientific advancements. For example corn has had a protein inserted into it that kills certain pests if they try and eat it, which would be impossible to attain otherwise because said protein never naturally occurred in corn. Nah. This is straight up from the US department of agriculture. https://www.usda.gov/topics/biotechnology/biotechnology-glossary https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/1/AARLwzAADffT.jpg --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Proto_Spark 07/25/22 2:14:21 PM #31: |
Bio1590 posted... No, GMO is straight-up gene editing that would be impossible without modern scientific advancements. For example corn has had a protein inserted into it that kills certain pests if they try and eat it, which would be impossible to attain otherwise because said protein never naturally occurred in corn. So the definition is kind of arbitrary. There isn't a real difference between more specific gene editing from something like CRISPR and encouraging certain phenotypic traits with selective breeding. Nothing with GMOs are that far out of the realm of something we could theoretically do with more more selective pressures over a longer period of time, like we have the previous like 10000 years or whatever. Its just GMOs are new and use crazy mad science so it feels a little scarier than the genetic modifying we always do. "Organic" is mostly just a term for marketing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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itachi15243 07/25/22 2:37:49 PM #33: |
Proto_Spark posted... So the definition is kind of arbitrary. There isn't a real difference between more specific gene editing from something like CRISPR and encouraging certain phenotypic traits with selective breeding. Nothing with GMOs are that far out of the realm of something we could theoretically do with more more selective pressures over a longer period of time, like we have the previous like 10000 years or whatever. Yes there is, and it's pretty damn obvious. As far as I recall, with selective breeding, all you can do is selectively breed for the general traits you want over a period of time. (Juicyness, ripeness, freshness, size, etc.) However, this isn't assured assured. With gene editing you have much more direct control over every aspect of the fruit/plant and can immediately alter traits as you please, such as defenses against viruses, bacteria, and so on. You have extreme precision immediately. And you can select things for the plant to pass on. Or even add genes from different plants into it to effect it in a number of different ways. Just for the record, I'm not against GMOs, just making a point that while with selective breeding we can accomplish a lot of what gene editing can do, it's nowhere near what we can do with actual gene editing --- I do drawings and stuff https://www.fiverr.com/blueblitz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FL81 07/25/22 2:41:07 PM #34: |
"Organic" and "non-GMO" don't necessarily refer to the same thing --- Thanks to Proofpyros for the sig images https://i.imgur.com/Nv4Pi1v.jpg https://i.imgur.com/N43HJYv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 07/25/22 2:41:10 PM #35: |
Not sure what the difference is between inserting a gene into a plant and natural hybrids. If the only fundamental difference is "more options", I don't really think that's significant. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/25/22 4:44:43 PM #36: |
DeadBankerDream posted... Not sure what the difference is between inserting a gene into a plant and natural hybrids. If the only fundamental difference is "more options", I don't really think that's significant. By inserting genes into plants you can do things to them that would be impossible otherwise, even with selectively breeding them for millennia upon millennia. For example "Bt corn" has been modified to contain proteins from a naturally-occurring bacterium (one that is actually used in organic farming). These proteins are toxic to certain insects that would otherwise devastate corn crops if left unchecked, so it gives the corn resistance to the insects, allows farmers to use less insecticide, and increases yearly yield. You would never be able to actually breed something like that into corn naturally. --- https://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7fCcfko.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alteres 07/25/22 4:55:31 PM #37: |
Eesh, no wonder people ate so much meat back then. The fruit and veg sucked, even if you were willing to eat them. --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sheiky-Baby 07/25/22 4:55:59 PM #38: |
And it only cost $5 more. --- Once you lose your integrity, everything comes easy afterwards. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/25/22 4:57:41 PM #39: |
Bio1590 posted... By inserting genes into plants you can do things to them that would be impossible otherwise, even with selectively breeding them for millennia upon millennia. You're talking about Genetic Engineering though, not Genetic Modification. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 07/25/22 5:04:13 PM #40: |
Tyranthraxus posted... You're talking about Genetic Engineering though, not Genetic Modification. I think this is what most people think of when they hear "GMOs". If they need to change the name to make it more accurate like someone mentioned above, then they should. --- She left me roses by the stairs. Surprises let me know she cares. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/25/22 5:17:41 PM #41: |
Damn_Underscore posted... I think this is what most people think of when they hear "GMOs". If they need to change the name to make it more accurate like someone mentioned above, then they should. They already did, they're called GEOs. Marketing is just slow to catch up. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/25/22 5:49:02 PM #42: |
Tyranthraxus posted...
That's what GMOs have been known as forever, that's not my fault. --- https://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7fCcfko.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/25/22 5:51:48 PM #43: |
Bio1590 posted... That's what GMOs have been known as forever, that's not my fault.Not according to the US department of agriculture who, afaik, has never changed their definition. WHO, CDC, and EU have all had changing definitions over years but the USDA is the one setting the regulations for it in America. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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