Current Events > The whole country needs to pause, breathe and stop taking comedians so seriously

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thronedfire2 posted...

yes because ignoring the Nazi shit in this country for the last 10-20 years has worked out great right?

not everyone ignores those memes. plenty of people really believe them. And plenty of people only find Dave's trans jokes funny because trans people existing is funny to them

OK. And an overwhelming majority of people ignore it.

Seriously. Go outside. Not online, actually out to the public and talk to real people.

Ask 100 random people what they felt about Dave Chapelle or Bill Burr's most recent stand up routines. I'll bet you $100 that at least 75 of them either never even heard of or haven't seen either special. And of the other 25, at least half have no opinion.

The internet is HUGE, but it's also a place where people pretend to care about A LOT of things they really don't give a shit about in real life, because it's easier to type out how mad you are about something, as opposed to actually doing something about it in real life.

Onimusha posted...

My only failure was overestimating your comprehension skills.

Well, yeah. I mention having comprehension problems all the time. So, you expecting them to be high was indeed foolish.

Flea_Plus posted...

What does that mean? Enjoying this conversation.

Google it... capabilities approach.it has an SEP article.

Jokes are evil

bigblu89 posted...

The internet is HUGE, but it's also a place where people pretend to care about A LOT of things they really don't give a shit about in real life, because it's easier to type out how mad you are about something, as opposed to actually doing something about it in real life.

WINNER

I've been saying this for awhile. Virtue signaling, acts of kindness, or any external act of morality or ethics don't make someone a good person; doing all that stuff in niche situations where you have to go out of your way for someone at the cost of your own convenience does. Better yet, do those things when you're in specific situations where people's plights are negatively affecting you.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Well, yeah. I mention having comprehension problems all the time. So, you expecting them to be high was indeed foolish.

That was a weird comeback

Onimusha posted...

That was a weird comeback

If I wanted comeback, Id get it off my own lip

Lost_All_Senses posted...

If I wanted comeback, Id get it off my own lip

Wait youre a chick? All this time I thought you were a dude.

"People pretend to care"

Why are such things often said by people who rarely demonstrate caring?

The internet amplifies people in general. People constantly engage over culture war battles online.

I think it's fine to criticise things that could be a potential issue. It's just up to that person on whether or not they want to listen to it.

CyricZ posted...

"People pretend to care"

Why are such things often said by people who rarely demonstrate caring?

It's disgustingly easy to prove altruism is impossible

bigblu89 posted...

Seriously. Go outside. Not online, actually out to the public and talk to real people.

Ask 100 random people what they felt about Dave Chapelle or Bill Burr's most recent stand up routines. I'll bet you $100 that at least 75 of them either never even heard of or haven't seen either special. And of the other 25, at least half have no opinion.

I would bet that any sample of people a person has reasonable access to is going to be heavily biased by the local-ish culture. Like, you're gonna get drastically different results in NYC versus some mid sized city in Georgia.

You know my outside life and the shit I read on the internet was very seperate.

Until recently when my brother-in-law called No Time to Die 'woke'

It felt surreal hearing that in person about a movie.

Punished_Blinx posted...

You know my outside life and the shit I read on the internet was very seperate.

Until recently when my brother-in-law called No Time to Die 'woke'

It felt surreal hearing that in person about a movie.

I keep meaning to watch that, but I keep forgetting. I need to make a movie wishlist or something.

IMNOTRAGED posted...

I would bet that any sample of people a person has reasonable access to is going to be heavily biased by the local-ish culture. Like, you're gonna get drastically different results in NYC versus some mid sized city in Georgia.

no matter where you go, a majority of people dont give a shit about 90% of things people online are arguing about.

Punished_Blinx posted...

You know my outside life and the shit I read on the internet was very seperate.

Until recently when my brother-in-law called No Time to Die 'woke'

It felt surreal hearing that in person about a movie.

Did you look up to the sky and curse Rogan?

Onimusha posted...

Wait youre a chick? All this time I thought you were a dude.

This post says it all when it comes to this topic tbh

Tagged

TheGoldenEel posted...

This post says it all when it comes to this topic tbh

If you dont like it, theres the door

Remember when Dave Chappelle took his ball and went home when he realized people weren't laughing with black people when they heard his jokes, they were laughing at them?

Even comedians realize that there's weight to the things they say. Nothing exists in a vacuum and it's very short sighted to act like it does

Rogan on his podcast has called comedians the top 1% of "philosophers, slayers, warriors" and ironically puts himself in that group, unfunny as he is.

CyricZ posted...

"People pretend to care"

Why are such things often said by people who rarely demonstrate caring?

Besides, I'd rather see people pretend to care than be assholes for real

CyricZ posted...

Why are such things often said by people who rarely demonstrate caring?

I dunno, but it's not like he's wrong. It's easy to champion for human rights, but that alone doesn't make you a good person. Also, even people who do so are often massively hypocritical once the people they're advocating for are bothering them in some way, even when the contexts aren't nefarious. That's not caring, it's shallowness...and I think it's dumb that people are so easily impressed by it.

ArchNemo posted...

Besides, I'd rather see people pretend to care than be assholes for real

Nah, just be honest if you don't care. Pretending earns you social status and that's it. Big fucking deal.

Onimusha posted...

If you dont like it, theres the door

NICE lol

Onimusha posted...

Personally I can laugh at people I dont agree with, but if I couldnt, I simply wouldnt watch them. I mean like, even if you cant stand Chappelle, Louis CK, Ricky Gervaise and now Bill Burr, why keep giving them attention? Why go on a social media crusade about it?

Their whole point was to draw heat in the first place! And you elevate their star power every time you type their name online

Literally shaking rn

CyricZ posted...

"People pretend to care"

Why are such things often said by people who rarely demonstrate caring?

Oh that's right. It's because their own lack of empathy makes them pathologically unable to parse why anyone would care in the first place.

So they mire themselves in presuming that "Everyone else is just like me, only I'm honest about it."

CyricZ posted...

Oh that's right. It's because their own lack of empathy makes them pathologically unable to parse why anyone would care in the first place.

I understand that people care, it's more like I think their version of caring is sometimes different from my own. I look at it more on an individual level, while it seems like most people seem to look at it in terms of human rights or social norms. Those things are important (well, the first is), but they don't impress me. That's not my model for morality or kindness.

CyricZ posted...

So they mire themselves in presuming that "Everyone else is just like me, only I'm honest about it."

Nah, I know I'm fairly unique. Still, I definitely don't think as many humans as you implying are good or whatever. Average at best, and forgettable/obnoxious at worst.

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Umbreon posted...

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What's your main?

Youre not supposed to just lead with that. At least offer to buy me dinner first.

Flea_Plus posted...

I understand that people care, it's more like I think their version of caring is sometimes different from my own. I look at it more on an individual level, while it seems like most people seem to look at it in terms of human rights or social norms. Those things are important (well, the first is), but they don't impress me. That's not my model for morality or kindness.

I don't think it really matters if they impress people or not? Like people are protesting some of Chappelle's stand up shows as well. Is that impressive because it took more effort?

I don't think impressing people is really a goal.

ArchNemo posted...

Besides, I'd rather see people pretend to care than be assholes for real

Sometimes you gotta fake it til you make it. The pretender shows potential. The asshole refuses to even attempt change

Punished_Blinx posted...

I don't think impressing people is really a goal.

Not so much that pretending is a goal, but in terms of my own morality, I'm simply saying that I find traditional values of morality (group outrage on the systematic level. Human rights. Stuff like that)) questionable to a certain extent. My model of morality is more like "Oh hey I like this guy one-on-one so I'm gonna be nice to him. I'll be there for him if we become friends, even if he annoys me."

Most people stop as soon as they get to the annoying part, even with friends. I don't. I think that's a bit toxic depending on the situation.

A bit more clarification help?

Flea_Plus posted...

Not so much that pretending is a goal, but in terms of my own morality, I'm simply saying that I find traditional values of morality (group outrage on the systematic level. Human rights. Stuff like that)) questionable to a certain extent. My model of morality is more like "Oh hey I like this guy one-on-one so I'm gonna be nice to him. I'll be there for him if we become friends, even if he annoys me."

Most people stop as soon as they get to the annoying part, even with friends. I don't. I think that's a bit toxic depending on the situation.

A bit more clarification help?

You care about people you see in front of you and no further?

Flea_Plus posted...

Not so much that pretending is a goal, but in terms of my own morality, I'm simply saying that I find traditional values of morality (group outrage on the systematic level. Human rights. Stuff like that)) questionable to a certain extent. My model of morality is more like "Oh hey I like this guy one-on-one so I'm gonna be nice to him. I'll be there for him if we become friends, even if he annoys me."

Most people stop as soon as they get to the annoying part, even with friends. I don't. I think that's a bit toxic depending on the situation.

A bit more clarification help?

It's just not overall relevant really. If you want to focus on your personal life and relationships then do so. But you are likely able to do that because you're in a position of privilege compared to others.

Sometimes things can go beyond just being an annoyance.

Most people do.

Echo chambers like CE would make you think the world's enraged at them when they're not.

CyricZ posted...

You care about people you see in front of you and no further?

No, I care about human rights and such too. I'm just saying that I'm gonna be more impressed by how people treat others in micro interactions. Anyone can do the macro shit, but that don't make them a good person.

For example, even sociopaths and psychopaths can champion for human rights. I doubt you (or myself for that matter) would agree that they're good people, though.

What would impress me is not only advocating for human rights, but putting those beliefs into action on the micro level: charity work is one way, but I'm talking more about if someone behaves in a way that inconveniences you, you don't simply eschew all those allegedly noble goals you say you have on the basis of your own well-being. There's a line to that of course, but I have no idea what it is. I just think people are more selfish than they let on in that regard, and that there's more to being a good person than constantly prattling about human equality under the law or whatever.

Flea_Plus posted...

What would impress me is not only advocating for human rights, but putting those beliefs into action on the micro level

Uh huh.

So you're saying you've figured people who "prattle about" don't actually give of themselves in more active ways.

How are you sure about that?

Flea_Plus posted...

No, I care about human rights and such too. I'm just saying that I'm gonna be more impressed by how people treat others in micro interactions. Anyone can do the macro shit, but that don't make them a good person.

For example, even sociopaths and psychopaths can champion for human rights. I doubt you (or myself for that matter) would agree that they're good people, though.

What would impress me is not only advocating for human rights, but putting those beliefs into action on the micro level: charity work is one way, but I'm talking more about if someone behaves in a way that inconveniences you, you don't simply eschew all those allegedly noble goals you say you have on the basis of your own well-being. There's a line to that of course, but I have no idea what it is. I just think people are more selfish than they let on in that regard, and that there's more to being a good person than constantly prattling about human equality under the law or whatever.

Unless we're talking about specific individuals there's no way to know how people treat others day to day. So none of this really makes a difference.

Someone being nice to others in person doesn't really say anything about their politics or morality either.

most people do not care and comedy remains extremely ephemeral entertainment that the majority will forget most of days after seeing it