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Accolon 07/28/22 2:46:09 PM #1: |
Democrats can only slow our march to the authoritarian Right. They won't stop it, much less reverse course to the left. After all, Democrats are a center right party --- http://i.imgur.com/XAMp8.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gigageek1500 07/28/22 2:46:43 PM #2: |
Primaries --- "Like you're standing in front of them with your hands behind your back, and then present a small ribbon-wrapped gift to them." Duskmon on the colon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 07/28/22 2:46:53 PM #3: |
Move to Switzerland. --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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theAteam 07/28/22 2:47:44 PM #4: |
Dems always remind me of this image https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/1/AAAlB_AADgKR.jpg --- Buffalo Bills ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 07/28/22 2:48:33 PM #5: |
Jagr_68 posted... Move to Switzerland.That doesn't solve the problem. --- "To Republicans, life begins at conception and ends in elementary school." - GranolaPanic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 07/28/22 2:49:02 PM #6: |
There's things that can be done --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jagr_68 07/28/22 2:49:24 PM #7: |
theAteam posted... Dems always remind me of this image Hmmm, horseshoe theory or ratchet effect...which sounds less shitty Which is better --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 07/28/22 2:52:33 PM #8: |
Accolon posted... After all, Democrats are a center right partyBy what measure --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 07/28/22 2:54:22 PM #9: |
More local political involvement? --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 07/28/22 2:57:47 PM #10: |
gigageek1500 posted... Primaries Pfft! You really think the Good Ol Boys method of politicking that the Ds and Rs continually practice would allow for such input from their constituents? If so, I got a bridge up in Brooklyn that Id just love to sell you, bruh. --- "Palpy didn't get laid, the only people he seduced were Maul, Dooku and Anakin." -- WingZero0782, in response to an impromptu Star Wars lore discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 07/28/22 3:00:04 PM #11: |
It's even worse than that. The Democratic Party has a massive identity crisis, with people of all sorts of conflicting ideology. You've got everything from genuine leftists, liberals, centrists and even moderate Republicans who've been forced out by the GOP's rhetoric. You've probably got a lot of "Democrats" who align more closely with the average Republican, except for the "slight" difference of not outwardly hating minorities or something. I bet in a lot of cases it feels like choosing between Lawful/Neutral Evil and Chaotic Evil --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 07/28/22 3:02:23 PM #12: |
emblem-man posted... More local political involvement?mention this when people say stuff similar to the OP and prepare to be bombarded with excuses for why they can't or shouldn't aspire to that. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 07/28/22 3:03:59 PM #13: |
Agent_Stroud posted... You really think the Good Ol Boys method of politicking that the Ds and Rs continually practice would allow for such input from their constituents?Are you suggesting that in primaries there are votes that are not counted or party members being disenfranchised from voting? Source? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sczoyd 07/28/22 3:04:38 PM #14: |
There's not much we can do except vote for candidates who are more progressive in the primaries and vote out Republicans at every chance we get. --- "No merkins? Fie on thee." - zhukov1943 WoT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Will_VIIII 07/28/22 3:04:48 PM #15: |
DarthAragorn posted... There's things that can be doneAnd there are things that can't. All states get 2 senators regardless of population, and this heavily favors red states. --- "Do not speak to fools, for they will scorn your prudent words." - Proverbs 23:9. Antivaxxers are objectively stupid people. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 07/28/22 3:05:24 PM #16: |
Will_VIIII posted... And there are things that can't.Some of the things that can be done would address that... --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/28/22 3:06:37 PM #17: |
gigageek1500 posted... Primaries This. If it weren't for primary voters, in AOC's seat would be a diet pelosi right now. If you want progressive candidates you have to help them pass the primaries. If your objective is vote blue no matter who then by all means do it but don't complain when the blue choice is shit. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 07/28/22 3:08:02 PM #18: |
Tyranthraxus posted... This. If it weren't for primary voters, in AOC's seat would be a diet pelosi right now.no but you dont understand bernie wasn't handed the party nomination on a silver platter so voting in primaries is pointless --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Will_VIIII 07/28/22 3:09:00 PM #19: |
DarthAragorn posted... Some of the things that can be done would address that...Elimination of winner take all would be one of those things but red states aren't on board with that --- "Do not speak to fools, for they will scorn your prudent words." - Proverbs 23:9. Antivaxxers are objectively stupid people. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RchHomieQuanChi 07/28/22 3:09:15 PM #20: |
DarthAragorn posted... Some of the things that can be done would address that... The problem is that the things that can be done to prevent these problems requires the cooperation of the people actively causing them --- I have nothing else to say ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alteres 07/28/22 3:10:01 PM #21: |
Jagr_68 posted... Move to Switzerland.I missed my chance =\ --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 07/28/22 3:10:34 PM #22: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted... The problem is that the things that can be done to prevent these problems requires the cooperation of the people actively causing themI'm not talking about using politics --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bigblu89 07/28/22 3:12:11 PM #23: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted... The Democratic Party has a massive identity crisis, with people of all sorts of conflicting ideology. You've got everything from genuine leftists, liberals, centrists and even moderate Republicans who've been forced out by the GOP's rhetoric. THIS. All the "Socially Liberal, but Fiscally Conservative" Democrats that are perfectly fine with the status quo, as long as their gay friends can still get married and the government is "kinda" doing something about social equality. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Proto_Spark 07/28/22 3:12:26 PM #24: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted... It's even worse than that. Don't forget most Americans have basically been indoctrinated to think their vote is basically worthless and should really expect basically nothing to change in their day-to-day lives, so there is a huge barricade to actually getting anyone to y'know, care. It literally takes someone comedically over the top and like comedically evil dominating basically every facet of their lives to actually get people to care enough to vote. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 07/28/22 3:13:37 PM #25: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted... It's even worse than that.Also just going back to this, but you've described literally every successful big tent political party on Earth right here. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 07/28/22 3:13:49 PM #26: |
DarthAragorn posted... I'm not talking about using politics https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=340coMA9SzY --- "Palpy didn't get laid, the only people he seduced were Maul, Dooku and Anakin." -- WingZero0782, in response to an impromptu Star Wars lore discussion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tote_All_ 07/28/22 3:15:08 PM #27: |
Doom_Art posted... By what measure The rest of the world, politics in general. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 07/28/22 3:18:04 PM #28: |
Doom_Art posted... mention this when people say stuff similar to the OP and prepare to be bombarded with excuses for why they can't or shouldn't aspire to that. I'm sure I will. People tend to overlook what can be done at the local level. Obviously there are various policies that we really should have at the federal level. But there are still things to be done below that. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 07/28/22 3:18:41 PM #29: |
Tote_All_ posted... The rest of the worldHow so? If we're looking at parties in parts of Africa and Southeast Asia Democrats seem pretty center/center-left. If we go to parts of eastern Europe/Russia then same deal. Western Europe is quite a bit more socially democratic in an economic sense but there's many places where the Democrats would be a good deal more left on social and cultural issues, particularly immigration. I'm not sure why you seem to think the rest of the world is unified in being further to the left than the US, when that's just flat out not true. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 07/28/22 3:22:32 PM #30: |
Doom_Art posted... How so? If we're looking at parties in parts of Africa and Southeast Asia Democrats seem pretty center/center-left. If we go to parts of eastern Europe/Russia then same deal. Western Europe is quite a bit more socially democratic in an economic sense but there's many places where the Democrats would be a good deal more left on social and cultural issues, particularly immigration. It's understated how casually racist a large part of Europe is --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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David1988 07/28/22 3:24:23 PM #31: |
Im glad we at least have reasonable minds like Doom_Art here to defend the Democrats from being unfairly characterized, with all the good they have done for their constituents and fighting against Republicans they truly deserve it --- "Let's be honest...I'm everybody's type. I just gotta highlight the parts that appeal to her the most" - No_U_L7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Slaya4 07/28/22 3:27:31 PM #32: |
The plan is to vote 3rd party so they can get funding to get on stage to debate and we can end this two party system. Problem is most of them have been whack along with the mindset that voting 3rd party is a waste. I'd be ok with having an alternative democratic voting system ironed out on at local systems and slowly adapted by the Presidental election. America has so much potential, but people are so scared/don't want to try different things. --- Am I going too hard? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tote_All_ 07/28/22 3:29:57 PM #33: |
Doom_Art posted... How so? If we're looking at parties in parts of Africa and Southeast Asia Democrats seem pretty center/center-left. If we go to parts of eastern Europe/Russia then same deal. Western Europe is quite a bit more socially democratic in an economic sense but there's many places where the Democrats would be a good deal more left on social and cultural issues, particularly immigration. You're entirely misunderstanding the point. The US Democratic party is a center right party. Other Democratic parties around the world being actual center or center-left simply enforces this point. Let me make it clearer. If you placed every single party around the world on a oversimplified Left-Right spectrum, US Democrats would land on center right or straight up right. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 07/28/22 3:30:15 PM #34: |
Slaya4 posted... The plan is to vote 3rd party so they can get funding to get on stage to debate and we can end this two party system.Voting third party right now is a fantastic way to ensure fascist rule. --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Will_VIIII 07/28/22 3:31:43 PM #35: |
3rd party voting is how we ended up where we are in many aspects of the present. I'm not against more parties at all though, but in the US we'd need ranked voting implemented nationwide first for it to be feasible and IIRC only 1 state has that and it was a recent addition. --- "Do not speak to fools, for they will scorn your prudent words." - Proverbs 23:9. Antivaxxers are objectively stupid people. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 07/28/22 3:33:10 PM #36: |
Tote_All_ posted... You're entirely misunderstanding the point.so basically you admit that the axis through which you're measuring politics is extremely oversimplified and probably incorrect? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bigblu89 07/28/22 3:35:49 PM #37: |
emblem-man posted... I'm sure I will.There's more corruption, nepotism, and backscratching BS on the local level than any other tier of governement. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 07/28/22 3:37:37 PM #38: |
bigblu89 posted... There's more corruption, nepotism, and backscratching BS on the local level than any other tier of governement.all the more reason to get involved? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem-man 07/28/22 3:38:20 PM #39: |
bigblu89 posted... There's more corruption, nepotism, and backscratching BS on the local level than any other tier of governement. Not going to argue about it that's true or not, but even if it were, federal politicians tend to come up through local politics. So involvement in picking good local people would help in federal election as well. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/28/22 3:46:36 PM #40: |
Tote_All_ posted... You're entirely misunderstanding the point.The Democrats aren't exactly one party. It's a chimera of moderate conservatives, liberals, and progressives who are unified only in their opposition to the Republicans. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bigblu89 07/28/22 3:50:03 PM #41: |
Doom_Art posted... all the more reason to get involved? To become a cog in that machine, or to try to actually stop it from happeneing? Good luck on option 2. --- It takes zero effort to be a good person. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 07/28/22 4:22:06 PM #42: |
RchHomieQuanChi posted... The Democratic Party has a massive identity crisis, with people of all sorts of conflicting ideology. You've got everything from genuine leftists, liberals, centrists and even moderate Republicans who've been forced out by the GOP's rhetoric.Yep. "Too Many Cooks in the Kitchen" vs. A group hyper-focused on the wants of rich White men --- "To Republicans, life begins at conception and ends in elementary school." - GranolaPanic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 07/28/22 4:23:15 PM #43: |
Direct action throughout history has always been more effective at accomplishing real lasting change than voting. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 07/28/22 4:28:59 PM #44: |
Jagr_68 posted... Hmmm, horseshoe theory or ratchet effect...which sounds less shitty Horseshoe Theory is accurate until you get to the people on the right who want to make members of specific minority groups nonexistent. There's nothing on the left to compare to that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 07/28/22 4:53:49 PM #46: |
ScazarMeltex posted... Direct action throughout history has always been more effective at accomplishing real lasting change than voting. Pictured below: Change by direct action instead of voting https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/6/1/AARLwzAADgL1.jpg --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 07/28/22 5:16:19 PM #47: |
Tyranthraxus posted... Pictured below: Change by direct action instead of votingThe 2016 U.S. General Election, picturized. --- "To Republicans, life begins at conception and ends in elementary school." - GranolaPanic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FL81 07/30/22 4:05:31 PM #48: |
Slaya4 posted... The plan is to vote 3rd party so they can get funding to get on stage to debate and we can end this two party system.First we need better ballot access laws (e.g. here in Arizona, the GOP-led legislature made it so that the Greens have easier access to the ballot than the Libertarians. There was another state, Texas I think, where the Democrats blocked ballot access for the Greens a while back) and also move to a better voting system (ranked choice for example) --- Thanks to Proofpyros for the sig images https://i.imgur.com/Nv4Pi1v.jpg https://i.imgur.com/N43HJYv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pistachio12 07/30/22 5:12:34 PM #49: |
The issue is people are naive enough to think that just by voting for a democrat in a single election every 2/4 years is enough.
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Doom_Art 07/31/22 7:52:36 AM #50: |
pistachio12 posted... The issue is people are naive enough to think that just by voting for a democrat in a single election every 2/4 years is enough.Seriously lol In terms of "what can I do to help?" voting is absolutely the bare minimum and most people don't even do it regularly. ESPECIALLY younger people. If you put in next to no effort at your job then you're not getting promoted. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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