Poll of the Day > Will Nancy Pelosi visit Taiwan?

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JixHedgehog
08/01/22 3:07:06 PM
#1:


Will a stop to Taiwan be included?





Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is on a trip to Asia to strengthen relationships between the US and several Asian countries including Singapore, South Korea, Malaysia and Japan

What's not on her list of stops is Taiwan, which has been the focus of international attention due to China having their eye on it with a potential invasion and take over possibly being planned

China has warned the US not to send Pelosi there with issues of threats ect

So do you think she'll go?

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Blightzkrieg
08/01/22 3:09:57 PM
#2:


Probably not, at least not unless they explicitly invite her.

Other countries should not be provoking China regarding Taiwan without Taiwan's consent. Pelosi's not the one who risks retaliation.

My understanding is the popular position in Taiwan is still "were totally part of china *wink*" and so the USA shouldn't be trying to change that.

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Muscles
08/01/22 3:11:53 PM
#3:


America/Europe should just take the stance that Taiwan is the rightful government to china

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Tom_Powers
08/01/22 3:31:34 PM
#4:


I hope not. For the sake of Taiwanese people. Anecdotally, I have a few friends in and from Taiwan and the consensus with all of them is that they're pretty pissed that Taiwan's fate might be up to "one old woman saying she wants to visit and all of a sudden she gets to decide what happens to our whole country." All of them are mad that Taiwan "never has a say in our future and is always being used."

These are just direct quotes from my Taiwanese friends who actually live there.

In my humble opinion, if you really care about Taiwanese people, you hope that Nancy doesn't risk the worst by visiting.

Muscles posted...
America/Europe should just take the stance that Taiwan is the rightful government to china

The KMT hasn't been the government of Taiwan for over 70 years now. I'm no CCP supporter, but most Taiwanese people nowadays actually don't care about reclaiming the mainland and they just want to be left alone and exist as Taiwan (distinct from China). It just blows my mind that nobody in the West ever seems to care about what Taiwanese people ACTUALLY want.
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MarioLinkNES
08/02/22 12:05:55 AM
#5:


Other. At this point, we're in the situation damned if we do, damned if we don't. If she does not go, it looks like China scared America. If she does go, China/America's relationship continues to dissolve further.

It should of really never been discussed to begin with in the current climate we live in.

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SantaKhala
08/02/22 12:23:26 AM
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She can go wherever she wants for their money laundering criminal activities. The Ukraine is no longer accessible for money laundering, so they must find a place other than the most corrupt country in Europe.

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streamofthesky
08/02/22 2:17:29 AM
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I mean, they're a sovereign country whether China thinks so or not, and she can go where she wants.

That being said, the morally right thing and the sensible thing are often not the same... We're trying to isolate Russia, and part of that is keeping China from helping more overtly, like military aid. It's just not a good time to be pissing them off, and what is the gain from her going exactly?

Voted 4th option, because if Democrats are good at anything, it's being spineless. She'll fold at the last second. Which in this case, is probably for the best.
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Revelation34
08/02/22 2:25:03 AM
#9:


China thinks they own every island anyway.

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FatalAccident
08/02/22 2:26:20 AM
#10:


streamofthesky posted...
I mean, they're a sovereign country whether China thinks so or not, and she can go where she wants.

That being said, the morally right thing and the sensible thing are often not the same... We're trying to isolate Russia, and part of that is keeping China from helping more overtly, like military aid. It's just not a good time to be pissing them off, and what is the gain from her going exactly?

Voted 4th option, because if Democrats are good at anything, it's being spineless. She'll fold at the last second. Which in this case, is probably for the best.

lol great post I enjoyed reading that

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SomeUsername529
08/02/22 5:57:56 AM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
My understanding is the popular position in Taiwan is still "were totally part of china *wink*" and so the USA shouldn't be trying to change that.

You clearly got your understanding from the Chinese government. The most popular position in Taiwan is "We like things as they are" which de facto means "We are an independent country already". Public support for declaring independence is also increasing despite China's belligerence and the percentage of Taiwanese people that identify as Chinese is dropping sharply (basically at the rate that old people that were from or directly tied to China die off).
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SomeUsername529
08/02/22 6:02:14 AM
#12:


Tom_Powers posted...
The KMT hasn't been the government of Taiwan for over 70 years now.

Uhhhh, the DPP has only been in power since 2016 (excluding Chen Shui-Bian's tenure in 2000-2008). The KMT has been in free fall since then but Ma Ying-jeou was a pretty popular president for a while.

Unless you meant to say that the KMT hasn't governed China for over 70 years?
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Blightzkrieg
08/02/22 6:16:40 AM
#13:


SomeUsername529 posted...
You clearly got your understanding from the Chinese government. The most popular position in Taiwan is "We like things as they are" which de facto means "We are an independent country already". Public support for declaring independence is also increasing despite China's belligerence and the percentage of Taiwanese people that identify as Chinese is dropping sharply (basically at the rate that old people that were from or directly tied to China die off).
Yeah you obviously didn't read my post so

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HarbingerofHope
08/02/22 7:39:47 AM
#14:


Is it normal for the speaker of the house to go on diplomatic missions?

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SomeUsername529
08/02/22 8:10:44 AM
#15:


Blightzkrieg posted...
Yeah you obviously didn't read my post so
Why even respond with half-assed dipshittery like this? Clearly you think what you said and what I said are the same thing but "Oh yeah we're totally 'China', sure" and "Yeah, let China believe whatever they want and leave us alone" are not the same. You also clearly are just ignoring the second half of my post because you don't actually know anything about public sentiment in Taiwan and have no way to respond to the fact that however the status quo is phrased its not even a rock solid majority anymore.
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Straughan
08/02/22 8:22:01 AM
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China is gonna look real dumb when they realize we've always been their lizard overlords with the mach 10 alien drones. I just hope high command doesn't make an example out of them like we did the Mesoamericans so long ago.

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Blightzkrieg
08/02/22 9:23:22 AM
#17:


SomeUsername529 posted...
Why even respond with half-assed dipshittery like this? Clearly you think what you said and what I said are the same thing but "Oh yeah we're totally 'China', sure" and "Yeah, let China believe whatever they want and leave us alone" are not the same. You also clearly are just ignoring the second half of my post because you don't actually know anything about public sentiment in Taiwan and have no way to respond to the fact that however the status quo is phrased its not even a rock solid majority anymore.
Classic sigless user post. Is this a muscles alt?

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JigsawTDCII
08/02/22 9:28:17 AM
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Idk about any of this Tawain stuff but she should come to Japan and try ramen! Ramen is soooo good!!
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hera
08/02/22 11:15:05 AM
#19:


she's in taiwan

get fucked china

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JixHedgehog
08/02/22 11:29:05 AM
#20:


Holy ******* ****, Madam Speaker!

Much respect!

Biden - Dont do it!
China - You better not go!

Nancy - **** you both, I'm going

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Revelation34
08/02/22 11:33:07 AM
#21:


Oh shit World War 3 is clearly going to happen now!

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JixHedgehog
08/02/22 11:47:26 AM
#22:


This almost makes up for the 4 years of BS, the lock down hair cut, the insider trading and the drunk husband! :D

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hera
08/02/22 1:45:18 PM
#23:


are you talking about nancy or the trump family

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asusLaptop
08/02/22 2:53:19 PM
#24:


Any news that China attacked somewhere or someone?
This is so boring.

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ReturnOfFa
08/02/22 3:04:35 PM
#25:


I'm down to make fun of Pelosi for being a rich old lady, but I'm also down to make fun of China for posturing because of a rich old lady.

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Yellow
08/02/22 3:06:09 PM
#26:


Tom_Powers posted...
It just blows my mind that nobody in the West ever seems to care about what Taiwanese people ACTUALLY want.
To be fair, Nancy doesn't really care about what anyone wants.

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ReturnOfFa
08/03/22 12:14:28 PM
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Yellow posted...
To be fair, Nancy doesn't really care about what anyone wants.
Moreso than a Republican ever will.

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asusLaptop
08/03/22 3:10:11 PM
#28:


Breaking News: Pelosi couldn't leave Taiwan because the air is full with Chinese airplanes.

She has to say something "I just want to take a bathroom in Taiwan."
Finally, China lets her go.
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Zenithian_Legend
08/03/22 6:36:41 PM
#29:


JixHedgehog posted...
Holy ******* ****, Madam Speaker!

Much respect!

Biden - Dont do it!
China - You better not go!

Nancy - **** you both, I'm going

Comical that anyone would think Biden is telling Pelosi what to do and not the other way around.

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papercup
08/03/22 6:56:03 PM
#30:


So like are we all going to die or what

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hera
08/03/22 7:58:18 PM
#31:


Zenithian_Legend posted...


Comical that anyone would think Biden is telling Pelosi what to do and not the other way around.

you can't have Biden be this ultra mastermind one second and an incompetent crayon eater the next

you can't have it both ways, it just does not work that way

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Zareth
08/03/22 8:05:09 PM
#32:


He let her fly to Taiwan so nobody would notice him pull the "make gas prices higher" lever again

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Count_Drachma
08/03/22 10:07:56 PM
#33:


Is the Biden administration not even hiding the fact they're trying to stir up a new cold war? Why would any regime be so stupid as to try to push China closer to Russia when we're at odds with Russia? Pick and choose your battles, ffs.

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Which winds up being "Fuck Taiwan," because they're getting hurt by the visit.

Muscles posted...
America/Europe should just take the stance that Taiwan is the rightful government to china

Taiwan has about as much claim to being the government of China as the US does to being the government of England.

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mharbenedict34
08/03/22 10:11:40 PM
#34:


Straughan posted...
China is gonna look real dumb when they realize we've always been their lizard overlords with the mach 10 alien drones. I just hope high command doesn't make an example out of them like we did the Mesoamericans so long ago.
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Zenithian_Legend
08/04/22 12:59:24 AM
#35:


hera posted...
you can't have Biden be this ultra mastermind one second and an incompetent crayon eater the next

you can't have it both ways, it just does not work that way

Literally NEVER said that. Not sure what the purpose of your post is other than to make you look like the crayon eater.

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KodyKeir
08/04/22 5:26:56 AM
#36:


HarbingerofHope posted...
Is it normal for the speaker of the house to go on diplomatic missions?

Yes, or at least within protocol as it has happened in the past.

papercup posted...
So like are we all going to die or what


Eventually, entropy will take us all.

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Ozmose
08/04/22 7:03:01 AM
#37:


Her little visit cost the taxpayers in the ballpark of $90,000,000. All for the sake of political theater.

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hera
08/04/22 9:00:00 AM
#38:


Zenithian_Legend posted...


Literally NEVER said that. Not sure what the purpose of your post is other than to make you look like the crayon eater.

literally never said you did

but now i am saying it, and i would bet im right now

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SKARDAVNELNATE
08/04/22 10:30:09 AM
#39:


hera posted...
she's in taiwan

get fucked china
Is anyone else concerned that the US is failing and this is how she defects?

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Entity13
08/04/22 11:15:27 AM
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As a former Californian, they can keep her. Her seat of power does require active residency in the area, so I'm sure the voters would be more than happy to have someone else there.

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hera
08/04/22 12:34:52 PM
#41:


SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Is anyone else concerned that the US is failing and this is how she defects?

while the us is failing and has been since its inception because capitalism literally does not work and has never worked, taiwan is not the first place i would consider anyone to defect to given that it's in constant turmoil even moreso than the us

also it would be stupid to give up your power to defect from a country that you are a 1%er in

no, the only thing she wanted to do was make some obscure statement that no one has figured out what it is yet

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Revelation34
08/04/22 1:03:23 PM
#42:


Ozmose posted...
Her little visit cost the taxpayers in the ballpark of $90,000,000. All for the sake of political theater.


Plane tickets are expensive now.

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Zenithian_Legend
08/04/22 5:37:44 PM
#43:


hera posted...
literally never said you did

but now i am saying it, and i would bet im right now

That's a losing bet. Although, I'd say you make about as much sense as Biden ever has.

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hera
08/04/22 6:26:40 PM
#44:


see this is why i think i was right on the mark

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Zenithian_Legend
08/04/22 9:49:46 PM
#46:


I don't think Biden is anything but a fucking moron, just like the guy before him.

By the looks of it, you'd fit the bill as President as well.

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hera
08/05/22 5:21:46 PM
#47:


id be a mediocre president

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Zenithian_Legend
08/08/22 11:13:06 PM
#48:


Mediocre poster for sure

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hera
08/08/22 11:15:20 PM
#49:


says the guy who got modded

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ReturnOfFa
08/08/22 11:15:36 PM
#50:


Ozmose posted...
Her little visit cost the taxpayers in the ballpark of $90,000,000. All for the sake of political theater.
Where'd you pull that digit from?

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Zenithian_Legend
08/08/22 11:44:33 PM
#51:


hera posted...
says the guy who got modded

Lol what a child

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