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Onimusha
08/15/22 3:08:53 PM
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I havent seen the movies cuz it looks too scary, but I just wondered.

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Irony
08/15/22 3:10:04 PM
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There's a big turtle

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g0ldie
08/15/22 3:11:03 PM
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no.

iirc, it's a cosmic being without age.

there might be a similar being in King's other works, though.

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Onimusha
08/15/22 3:11:25 PM
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Irony posted...
There's a big turtle
Are u trolling or being for real? Because that sounds genuinely awesome.

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Etna
08/15/22 3:12:37 PM
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The macroverse holds a lot of cosmic horrors.

None that I know of that are the same species as It, but there are plenty of aliens, and even the devil himself

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Eramir
08/15/22 3:13:38 PM
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Is it the same universe as Mist?

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Irony
08/15/22 3:14:40 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Are u trolling or being for real? Because that sounds genuinely awesome.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/3/AAJHVqAADkN1.jpg

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COVxy
08/15/22 3:15:32 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Are u trolling or being for real? Because that sounds genuinely awesome.

No he's not right, but in the lore there's a second god like creature that is a giant turtle, which was the only thing holding IT back, iirc. The timeline of that second god is fuzzy for me, but I think the turtle was dying in the child portion of the book and kinda placed all of its bets on the loser's club

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Link_of_time
08/15/22 3:15:56 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Are u trolling or being for real? Because that sounds genuinely awesome.
It's real, but i think it's only in the books.
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TheFuriousInch
08/15/22 3:36:06 PM
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In the Dark Tower books it is implied that there is an entire species of ITs out there.

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Xethuminra
08/15/22 4:09:39 PM
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Like a Metroid?
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Axiom
08/15/22 4:16:10 PM
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Link_of_time posted...
It's real, but i think it's only in the books.
Yeah. The second movie did a lot better but the book ending is still the best. Also Pennywise is referenced in other books but never really plays a part. Flagg tends to be the only character that shows up across books
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InTheEyesOfFire
08/15/22 4:33:15 PM
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TheFuriousInch posted...
In the Dark Tower books it is implied that there is an entire species of ITs out there.

I was reading the comics for a while and vaguely remember some plot to open a portal to that dimension. I really got read that series.

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Foppe
08/15/22 4:35:13 PM
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ICantSing
08/15/22 4:40:21 PM
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I don't think it's a unique entity, and wasn't it going to birth children?
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g0ldie
08/15/22 4:41:57 PM
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^ it just hibernates and eats them

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TomClark
08/15/22 4:45:09 PM
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TheFuriousInch posted...
In the Dark Tower books it is implied that there is an entire species of ITs out there.

Yeah, Dandelo is implied to be the male of the species.

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Axiom
08/15/22 4:45:18 PM
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g0ldie posted...
^ it just hibernates and eats them
He's referring to the end when the physical form was seen as a giant pregnant spider which can be interpreted in a few ways since Pennywise was considered just a "piece" of the true being. Basically a lot of it was ambiguous and no definitive facts regarding It's origins
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g0ldie
08/15/22 4:46:32 PM
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oh yea, true.

I'd forgotten about the spider form.

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Zikten
08/15/22 5:25:51 PM
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Basically, read the book, its pretty good. Except for one weird part near the end.....
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Allanon23
08/15/22 5:54:23 PM
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COVxy posted...
The timeline of that second god is fuzzy for me, but I think the turtle was dying in the child portion of the book and kinda placed all of its bets on the loser's club

Yeah, IT taunts them later saying Maturin the turtle choked on a galaxy

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blazer4lyfe
08/15/22 6:06:44 PM
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Specifically Pennywise no. There are I believe at least 8 other beings like it in Kings universe. Not like clowns, but beings of similar origin and power. Pennywise is not the original form of this being. It's just a form it takes on.

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Onimusha
08/15/22 6:35:52 PM
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TheFuriousInch posted...
In the Dark Tower books it is implied that there is an entire species of ITs out there.
Oooh thats pretty cool actually

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Onimusha
08/15/22 6:37:39 PM
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Zikten posted...
Basically, read the book, its pretty good. Except for one weird part near the end.....
Weird part? How weird we talking?

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Zikten
08/15/22 6:51:15 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Weird part? How weird we talking?
Underage sex
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Onimusha
08/15/22 6:52:25 PM
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Zikten posted...
Underage sex
Oooohkay so I wont be reading that book.

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HovaRex
08/15/22 6:54:13 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Are u trolling or being for real? Because that sounds genuinely awesome.

He's not trolling. It's true form is a giant space turtle.

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Zikten
08/15/22 6:58:22 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Oooohkay so I wont be reading that book.
It's just one chapter in the whole book. King wrote it while high on Cocaine
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HornyLevel
08/15/22 7:11:06 PM
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I don't think King has ever confirmed anything. The whole thing is a mess since there's tons of different classifications King uses.

Like Pennywise and Maturin the Turtle are supposed to be brothers and were created by the Other (God). Deadlights are supposed to be Pennywise's true form but then he can't really show his true form because he's from Todash Space. So what we really see is a tiny bit that humans can comprehend.

Then there's the Crimson King, who uses Deadlights as a weapon.

And then you got Dandelo, who is supposed to be the same species but feeds on laughing instead of fear.

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The_Creep_2020
08/15/22 7:15:00 PM
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Irony posted...
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The turtle moves

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Onimusha
08/15/22 7:18:05 PM
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If theres more than one Pennywise, does that mean can they reproduce?

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HornyLevel
08/15/22 7:22:10 PM
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Onimusha posted...
If theres more than one Pennywise, does that mean can they reproduce?
We don't really know except that Pennywise took the pregnant spider form at the end of IT.

Monsters from Todash Space are plenty as seen in the Mist. So I guess it can reproduce. Some interpret Dandelo as one of Pennywise's kids.

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Hayame_Zero
08/15/22 7:34:29 PM
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Zikten posted...
Underage sex
To put it very lightly...

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WesternMedia
08/15/22 7:36:55 PM
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I find it funny how almost no one really acknowledges that the being behind Pennywise is biologically female.

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Alteres
08/15/22 7:38:25 PM
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The_Creep_2020 posted...
The turtle moves
Om

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InTheEyesOfFire
08/15/22 8:03:33 PM
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That does it, Ive been really wanting to read this series since the 90s and what better time to do so.

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HornyLevel
08/15/22 9:07:53 PM
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WesternMedia posted...
I find it funny how almost no one really acknowledges that the being behind Pennywise is biologically female.
That's another thing we don't really know. Robert Gray/Pennywise is clearly taking a male form and what's referred to 99% of the time. The spider is referred to as the closest to his true form here on Earth, and the pregnancy leads the kids to assume that it has to be female.

However the Deadlights is the creature'a actual Eldritch form that's still in the void. No gender was given for that and it might even be genderless.

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Xethuminra
08/15/22 9:09:45 PM
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The Deadlights vs
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WesternMedia
08/15/22 9:12:35 PM
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HornyLevel posted...
That's another thing we don't really know. Robert Gray/Pennywise is clearly taking a male form and what's referred to 99% of the time. The spider is referred to as the closest to his true form here on Earth, and the pregnancy leads the kids to assume that it has to be female.

However the Deadlights is the creature'a actual Eldritch form that's still in the void. No gender was given for that and it might even be genderless.

Yeah, that's true. I was more meaning that everyone calls Pennywise/Bob "he/him" but practically no the spider form "she/her" even though it's explicitly a pregnant female spider.

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Cream_Boy
08/15/22 9:14:17 PM
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No, but it has a child that shows up in the dark tower.

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Cream_Boy
08/15/22 9:14:51 PM
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HornyLevel posted...
That's another thing we don't really know. Robert Gray/Pennywise is clearly taking a male form and what's referred to 99% of the time. The spider is referred to as the closest to his true form here on Earth, and the pregnancy leads the kids to assume that it has to be female.

However the Deadlights is the creature'a actual Eldritch form that's still in the void. No gender was given for that and it might even be genderless.

its closest to female. Just because it takes a form doesn't mean thats what it really is.

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GrandConjuraton
08/15/22 9:18:15 PM
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TheFuriousInch posted...
In the Dark Tower books it is implied that there is an entire species of ITs out there.


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Onimusha
08/15/22 9:31:58 PM
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InTheEyesOfFire posted...
That does it, Ive been really wanting to read this series since the 90s and what better time to do so.
Yeah but I dont like the sound of that aforementioned sex thing. It honestly sounds disgusting in a book about kids.

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HornyLevel
08/15/22 9:35:48 PM
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WesternMedia posted...
Yeah, that's true. I was more meaning that everyone calls Pennywise/Bob "he/him" but practically no the spider form "she/her" even though it's explicitly a pregnant female spider.
Oh ok, I'm guessing it might get confusing. IIRC, they avoided the entire issue in the movies because they felt it would confuse.

Cream_Boy posted...
its closest to female. Just because it takes a form doesn't mean thats what it really is.
The kids assume it was female simply because it was pregnant, but asexual reproduction/male reproduction are things. No reason an otherworldly being would adhere to the standard. Furthermore, it refers to itself as it.

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Xethuminra
08/15/22 9:50:41 PM
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The amusement comes from learning that this random town clown monster is actually the embodiment of destruction in all of existence, and the stakes go way up as a result. It also opens the door for Pennywise to take more monstrous forms (spider, deadlights, dimension, etc) as a result, and the cast changes too since they have become adults. It's a book about kids, but I don't think it was ever *for kids* per se. The target audience in general is probably significantly older than the characters of the first half of the story, no?
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Onimusha
08/15/22 9:55:21 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
The amusement comes from learning that this random town clown monster is actually the embodiment of destruction in all of existence, and the stakes go way up as a result. It also opens the door for Pennywise to take more monstrous forms (spider, deadlights, dimension, etc) as a result, and the cast changes too since they have become adults. It's a book about kids, but I don't think it was ever *for kids* per se. The target audience in general is probably significantly older than the characters of the first half of the story, no?
Is Pennywise the most strongest Steven King monster?

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Xethuminra
08/15/22 9:58:06 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Is Pennywise the most strongest Steven King monster?
I was thinking about that. I'm not sure. I'm not even sure that question can be answered. I get the impression Pennywise would be like Galactus, a lone agent, whereas the rest of the universe is populated by extremely powerful demons, they simply lack the level of consistent corporal substance Pennywise has. He has a body, basically. You could argue Carrie is more dangerous than some of the more Eldritch monsters, or even vampires. Etx
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InTheEyesOfFire
08/15/22 10:01:35 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Yeah but I dont like the sound of that aforementioned sex thing. It honestly sounds disgusting in a book about kids.

Oh I meant The Dark Tower lol. All these elder beasts are connected to that story. Ive just been real lazy on getting around to reading it.

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Zikten
08/15/22 10:33:19 PM
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I think the original intended audience was boomers, in their 30s or 40s

Unlike the remakes, the book is set for rhe kid section, in the 50s. And the adult section is set in the 80s when the book was written

The book clearly meant to depict a nostalgic view of the 1950s, for readers who were kids then

And I think that is why the remakes updated. Putting kid section in the 80s and adult section around now. To play on a new generation of nostalgia
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Irony
08/15/22 10:44:45 PM
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Onimusha posted...
Is Pennywise the most strongest Steven King monster?
Not really, probably Wendigo

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