Current Events > You know, it's crazy how relatively unpopular Wonder Woman was until recently.

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Like everyone knew who she was but she had basically nothing outside of comics. No movie. No cartoon. No videogames.

Wasn't she the most iconic female comic book character? Glad she's finally got the respect she deserved.

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I guess America really hated seeing a strong female protagonist.

Actually, Wonder Woman must piss off a lot of dudes in the anime/manga industry, huh?

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Honestly, Wonder Woman didn't really have good adaptations into movies until WW movie that came out. It also helped that her film was the best DCEU movie to come out at the time as well.

Adam posted...

Like everyone knew who she was but she had basically nothing outside of comics. No movie. No cartoon. No videogames.

Wasn't she the most iconic female comic book character? Glad she's finally got the respect she deserved.

I mean sure if we just ignore the Lynda Carter series and the fact that she was in literally every justice League cartoon & superfriends and also all 3 NRS DC fighting games and the solo DCOAM.

Tyranthraxus posted...

I mean sure if we just ignore the Lynda Carter series and the fact that she was in literally every justice League cartoon & superfriends and also all 3 NRS DC fighting games and the solo DCOAM.

Justice League wasn't about her. She's never been the star of her own cartoon.

A live action show from all the way back in the 70s? That's nice, but it's too old.

What superheroes got games/movies/show other than the big 3? It wasn't until recently that any hero has gained popularity, other than as some niche or fringe thing.

Octans posted...

What superheroes got games/movies/show other than the big 3

Hulk
Blade
Spawn
Daredevil
Iron Man

Adam posted...

Hulk
Blade
Spawn
Daredevil
Iron Man

These were all recently, according to your timeline. Also some of these were more fringe than older WW stuff

Octans posted...

Recently

Naw, Blade and Spawn had movies in the 90s. Why'd it take until 2017 for Wonder Woman to really become a pop culture icon?

The thing with Wonder Woman is that the moment she gets any character growth usually there is some crisis/line wide reboot where shes reverted back to her orignal trope of coming to mans world. From my perspective atleast.

She doesnt have that many recognizable villains like Batman and Superman either.

Shes by no means a bad character but she seems like shes hard to write for due to the nature of comic publishing. It is a bit interesting that she hasnt got a cartoon though, a solo series I mean. That would do a lot for the char.

She needs a reboot or reimagining like Batman Year one or Superman Birthright along with a good ongoing that really allows them to do what ever they need to. Create a nemesis more than the Cheetah or Random Greek God. She needs a Lex Luthor, Sinestro, Joker type foil. Could do a cool event maybe and hype it up like they did Bane in the 90s.

Octans posted...

What superheroes got games/movies/show other than the big 3? It wasn't until recently that any hero has gained popularity, other than as some niche or fringe thing.

Prior to Blade, which is what I'm using as the cut off here for when superhero movies started getting popular:

Big 3 = Batman, Superman, Spider-Man

Fantastic 4, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Thing (solo), Supergirl, Shazam (As Captain Marvel), X-Men, Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Avengers, and Silver Surfer all had dedicated cartoons, TV shows, movies, or video games.

She was a neglected character -- always there for the collaborations, seldom there for the solo material. She didn't have a video game. She didn't have a cartoon. She still (tokenistically) appeared next to Superman and Batman in group illustrations.

She did get a live action series in the 1970s, so there's that. But she's finally getting her due.

It's bonkers how she was one of the most famous superheroes because of the 70s TV shows and then basically nothing until the movie nearly 40 years later.

Not even a single video game is absolutely nuts!

The reason is obvious but still.

ToadallyAwesome posted...

She doesnt have that many recognizable villains like Batman

Tbf nobody has a rogues gallery on par with Batman except Spider-Man.

Wonder Woman's villains are as good or better than any other major hero's, the problem is that the effort usually just isnt made.

ToadallyAwesome posted...

She needs a reboot or reimagining like Batman Year one or Superman Birthright along with a good ongoing that really allows them to do what ever they need to. Create a nemesis more than the Cheetah or Random Greek God. She needs a Lex Luthor, Sinestro, Joker type foil. Could do a cool event maybe and hype it up like they did Bane in the 90s.

She's had two major reboots in recent memory, her Rebirth reboot even had a story literally called "Year One" and it was great.

As for an arch nemesis I'd love if they went all in on the magical side of things and gave Circe a big push.

The thing that really gets me, and this is going way back, is that she didn't get her own film serial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_film

Superman had one. Batman had one. Captain America had one. Captain Marvel/Shazam had one. Spider-Man had one and he hadn't been created yet.

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It's not like there weren't any film serials with female leads either. There was The Panther Woman, Jungle Girl, Perils of Nyoka, The Tiger Woman, and Zorro's Black Whip. A Wonder Woman film serial would have fit right in.

Punished_Blinx posted...

It's bonkers how she was one of the most famous superheroes because of the 70s TV shows and then basically nothing until the movie nearly 40 years later.

Not even a single video game is absolutely nuts!

The reason is obvious but still.

If they do a wonder woman video game I'd want them to shamelessly make it a God of War rip off. Hell it would be cool as hell if they could collaborate and have Kratos as a optional super boss. Personally I'd have the fight be Kratos attacks her just cause her connection to the gods but after a toe to toe fight he realizes she's a good one.

But seriously imagine q wonder woman game done like God of War 4

It's mostly because she was largely ignored, and when are was actually around in comics, it was usually as the "Who can fill the not-quite-Superman role?" Character or a plot device character. I'm glad she's finally getting to stand on her own as a character for the first time since the 70s in more mainstream media.

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I specially meant gow 4. Bayonetta hasn't done a game like that. Old school gow or bayonetta wouldn't be bad either

I'm expecting it's going to be more like assassin's Creed but without the stealthy parts.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

If they do a wonder woman video game

https://youtu.be/dyA8lnp9Tzg

I really wished they did a crossover show or movie with Adam West Batman, Wonder Woman, and Christopher Reeve Superman.

Wonder Wonman needs a sidekick. Still nobody respected her til she got a sword and shield and pants or leggings. Why did she have an invisible plane?

tremain07 posted...

Wonder Wonman needs a sidekick.

Reminder that Wonder Girl exists by complete accident because the creators of Teen Titans misunderstood some old random comic about time travel shenanigans, and writers have been trying to pin down a definitive history for her ever since >_>

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Adam posted...

Like everyone knew who she was but she had basically nothing outside of comics. No movie. No cartoon. No videogames.

Her media is lousy because DC didn't make Wonder-Woman popular, Gloria Steinem did.

The closest you'll get to vast amounts of love being shown is the Filipina superheroine Darna, who was heavily influenced by Wonder Woman and is almost as old as the character. She's had live-action movies stretching back to the 50s. Her most recent outing is a TV series that is currently airing. That just goes to show how badly DC treats Wonder Woman.

After looking up her villains. Which on paper a lot of them are super dated by this point, she still doesnt have real threats outside of a few of them. Other than the gods (Circe, Ares, Hades) the biggest villain she goes up against is probably Maxwell Lord. Cheetah just seems like an odd foil. Comics over all have a problem with introducing new villains. It took decades to get Batman some new Rogues. The Flash and Green Lantern were a lot better about that. I mean look how Green Lantern has had a glow up (no pun intended). Which lead me to the other issue I think she suffers from.

Much like Superman, her power set make it hard to have straight up fights. Which is where Batman and Spider-man excel at. Superman has fights but generally his stories are more human interest and moral dilemmas brought on about his powers.

Wonder Woman is said to be slightly less strong than Superman while being an equal to Batman in fighting strength (and she has no issue about killing if the situation demands it). Along with being very intelligent. Thats hard to write for by a good writer and most comic companies seem to only shuffle through the same bucket of about 20 of them spread across both of the big 2 and thats being generous.

Wonder Woman needs the Geoff Johns treatment (before he go bogged down in too many projects. Some outside his wheelhouse). Do a solo event that shines light on Wonder Woman that is building to something bigger. Change the status quo with her. Add something to the char. Barry Allen didnt start with losing his Mom. That was a very recent change (Since he was revived) that has become a core part of the Flash. It can be done!

ToadallyAwesome posted...

Much like Superman, her power set make it hard to have straight up fights.

Just make the bad guy strong too.

This isn't difficult.

No one complains that Spider-Man or Iron Man are too strong because they effortlessly mop the floor with random thugs.

Foppe posted...

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Lynda Carter is so fucking hot

Best thing about Wonder Woman is that since the majority of her villains are magical it's very easy to handwave why they can go toe-to-toe with her.

ToadallyAwesome posted...

Change the status quo with her. Add something to the char

Tbh they've been periodically reinventing her and adding to her character since the first crisis. Since the 80s she's gone from a normal amazon that's been around since WW2, to a clay golem given life by gods that only entered man's world recently (using her mom as the WW2 era Wonder Woman), and to a demi-god daughter of zeus. They've destroyed and restored Amazonia a couple of times by now and keep tweaking her purpose in "man's world".

But I do sort of agree on the "Geoff Johns treatment". As much as I hate his Silver Age nostalgia wankery, his treatment of Paralax and Reverse Flash gave those titles a sort of anchor that was fun to follow.

Kinda funny, Justice League Dark did this Witching Hour story and I feel like they could've established Hecate as something of that role. But they treated her as a sort of one-and-done event villain. >_>

Adam posted...

Justice League wasn't about her. She's never been the star of her own cartoon.

A live action show from all the way back in the 70s? That's nice, but it's too old.

Don't strain your back moving those goal posts mate.

Adam posted...

I guess America really hated seeing a strong female protagonist.

You might want to look back in Wonder Woman's history before you say that with a straight face.

tremain07 posted...

Why did she have an invisible plane?

Weirdly not even the strangest thing about silver age comics.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Best thing about Wonder Woman is that since the majority of her villains are magical it's very easy to handwave why they can go toe-to-toe with her.

Tbh they've been periodically reinventing her and adding to her character since the first crisis. Since the 80s she's gone from a normal amazon that's been around since WW2, to a clay golem given life by gods that only entered man's world recently (using her mom as the WW2 era Wonder Woman), and to a demi-god daughter of zeus. They've destroyed and restored Amazonia a couple of times by now and keep tweaking her purpose in "man's world".

But I do sort of agree on the "Geoff Johns treatment". As much as I hate his Silver Age nostalgia wankery, his treatment of Paralax and Reverse Flash gave those titles a sort of anchor that was fun to follow.

Kinda funny, Justice League Dark did this Witching Hour story and I feel like they could've established Hecate as something of that role. But they treated her as a sort of one-and-done event villain. >_>

Not wonderman person but new 52 changed Amazon's background a bit so that had a darker side. Raping and killing sailors to get pregnant then selling off any males born into slavery to a God.

They also made her God of War which was more a curse than a blessing to her since she actively seeks out peace even if violence must be the answer. She was slowing dwindling her own power iirc

Sufferedphoneix posted...

Not wonderman person but new 52 changed Amazon's background a bit so that had a darker side. Raping and killing sailors to get pregnant then selling off any males born into slavery to a God.

Didn't most people hate that so much that they got rid of it?

pegusus123456 posted...

Didn't most people hate that so much that they got rid of it?

Probably. Point is they tried. I liked new 52. But it was my entry point into actual comic books. Just watched the movies and cartoons before that.

New 52 wonder woman is still my favorite design/art wise

ToadallyAwesome posted...

She doesnt have that many recognizable villains like Batman and Superman either.

ToadallyAwesome posted...

She needs a Lex Luthor, Sinestro, Joker type foil. Could do a cool event maybe and hype it up like they did Bane in the 90s.

I don't read many comics these days, but isn't WW usually portrayed these days as one who is willing to cross the line and kill someone when necessary, unlike Superman and Batman? Kinda hard to build up a roster of villains to match the other 2 when she decides they've gone too far and removes their heads.

Monferno_AQW posted...

I don't read many comics these days, but isn't WW usually portrayed these days as one who is willing to cross the line and kill someone when necessary, unlike Superman and Batman? Kinda hard to build up a roster of villains to match the other 2 when she decides they've gone too far and removes their heads.

Iirc she believes if they die in combat thats cool. She doesn't belive in executions. Aka making it a point to kill them or kill them when they are clearly beaten. Think aquamarine is of the same mindset

Sufferedphoneix posted...

Iirc she believes if they die in combat thats cool. She doesn't belive in executions. Aka making it a point to kill them or kill them when they are clearly beaten. Think aquamarine is of the same mindset

She had no problems executing Maxwell Lord in Infinite Crisis.

Unlike most other heroes outside of her backstory WW doesn't really have a consistent foundation for writers to play off of. Which is why any story beyond her origin tend to become a mess.

And while she has a few decent rogues none of them aside from cheeta by design can be requiring ones. Nor is Themyscira a good base foe her due to its reclusiviness from the outside world compared to Gotham , metropolis and central city. Nor does it have political or royalty issues that Atlantis has for story potential.

I still say you could easily do a Wonder Woman movie with Peter Dinklage as Dr. Psycho.

Foppe posted...

She had no problems executing Maxwell Lord in Infinite Crisis.

That was a bit forced but it was technically the only way to free Superman from mind control. It's stupid when you think about it for more than two seconds, but that's the way they wrote it.

Most of the time she tries her damndest to go for non-lethal/submission victories. She just doesn't have editorially-mandated neuroses about killing people in defense that most other DC heroes tend to get saddled with. >_>

pegusus123456 posted... I still say you could easily do a Wonder Woman movie with Peter Dinklage as Dr. Psycho.

And God I'd love this. Loved him in DoFP too, he's got a flair for comic book villains.

Isn't wonder woman usually one of the first to start killing shitloads of people in those heroes go bad stories like injustice?

Also come to think of it, for as much as the DCAU did right, they really fucked up Wonder Woman there. Turned her into a violent bitch with a hairline trigger of a temper. >_>

Crazyman93 posted...

Don't strain your back moving those goal posts mate.

@Crazyman93

"Like everyone knew who she was but she had basically nothing outside of comics. No movie. No cartoon. No videogames."

No goalposts moved. "Basically nothing" =/= literally nothing. An old forgotten 70s show is essentially nothing. She's never had her own cartoon, never her own videogame and never her own movie until recently.

It's your fault for having bad reading comprehension. "B but she was a background character in Justice League!" XD

Crazyman93 posted...

You might want to look back in Wonder Woman's history before you say that with a straight face.

She had just about nothing lol

UN even removed an honor for her shortly after making it in 2016.

Although the original creators may have intended Wonder Woman to represent a strong and independent warrior woman with a feminist message, the reality is that the characters current iteration is that of a large breasted, white woman of impossible proportions, scantily clad in a shimmery, thigh-baring body suit with an American flag motif and knee high boots the epitome of a pin-up girl.

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I mean ... yeah, I can see their argument.

She had a TV movie in 75...