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SuperShake666
09/08/22 2:18:50 PM
#53:


BeantownHero posted...
No you're not
Except I am? I want to hear the other side and form my own opinion, as one with critical thinking does.

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Vegito
09/08/22 2:21:50 PM
#54:


R_Jackal posted...
Ah yes, the Hitler gambit essentially. Always the sign of a top notch argument.

Yeah, you're right, my mistake. I figured his close ties to the royal family were relevant, but I could have easily gone so many other routes.

My apologies, I'll bow out gracefully.

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DoDontTry
09/08/22 2:22:15 PM
#55:


You must toe the line and follow the hivemind's opinion. Any opinion contrary to the hivemind that is unpopular enough is subject to mod enforced downvoting.
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BeantownHero
09/08/22 2:23:10 PM
#56:


SuperShake666 posted...
Except I am? I want to hear the other side and form my own opinion, as one with critical thinking does.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AALimsAADpvf.jpg

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R_Jackal
09/08/22 2:26:08 PM
#57:


BeantownHero posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AALimsAADpvf.jpg
If you can't even explain your own argument, it's not one worth having. Just saying.
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DipDipDiver
09/08/22 2:29:42 PM
#60:


Oswaldo posted...
I mean, what other days are there to shine a spotlight on how terrible of a person she was? Not trolling by the way. Look up the history of her imperialism, colonialism, and treatment of Megan Markle.
Literally any other day for the last 93 years
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Oswaldo
09/08/22 2:30:13 PM
#61:


DipDipDiver posted...
Literally any other day for the last 93 years

When people will ignore the issues that need to be heard and not care? Got it.
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R_Jackal
09/08/22 2:30:41 PM
#62:


Oswaldo posted...
I mean, what other days are there to shine a spotlight on how terrible of a person she was? Not trolling by the way. Look up the history of her imperialism, colonialism, and treatment of Megan Markle.
Somewhere in the ballpark of... I think 25,000 days since she became queen iirc? Think she was appointed in 54 but my memory on that is shit.

She has done nothing culturally or politically relevant in all that time for you to bring up grievances, or do you just wait for people to die to talk shit so they have no defense, essentially?
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BeantownHero
09/08/22 2:31:39 PM
#63:


R_Jackal posted...
If you can't even explain your own argument, it's not one worth having. Just saying.

Ok

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Oswaldo
09/08/22 2:31:39 PM
#64:


R_Jackal posted...
Somewhere in the ballpark of... I think 25,000 days since she became queen iirc?

Oswaldo posted...
When people will ignore the issues that need to be heard and not care? Got it.

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hockeybub89
09/08/22 2:31:48 PM
#65:


R_Jackal posted...
People can, and if that's what you got from my post it's a perfect and shining example of why I made it.

I don't care about the queen's death honestly, may be a bit callous but I've got too much shit going on personally to really give a damn. I, however, understand that others do. Me barging in to say "lol don't care" accomplishes nothing.

On the other hand, voicing a negative opinion, while valid, accomplishes very little as well. She's dead. Hating on a corpse accomplishes nothing. What is done can generally not be undone without a lot of work, so complaining on a forum accomplishes... Nothing. At least complaining here does. It's easier to just let those that want to mourn do it, and it takes literally no effort. To spread hate is simply self serving indulgence at this point.
I don't have much of an opinion on the Queen herself either. Just don't really get society's view on the dead. Unless they are universally reviled by everyone, you're expected to be be quiet.

Even if a literal family member dragged the deceased, people would just go "Oh well it's hard for people to process the death of family members!"

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SuperShake666
09/08/22 2:34:20 PM
#67:


BeantownHero posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AALimsAADpvf.jpg

So I guess you don't have a side then.

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DoDontTry
09/08/22 2:34:36 PM
#68:


Oswaldo posted...
People really expect us to air our grievances on a normal Thursday as if more than 2 people would even pay attention lmfao

Sorry that her death has gotten her the biggest spotlight since she threw Markle out. Maybe she should have invaded an island again and I'd have permission to talk about her when she's relevant.

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Oswaldo
09/08/22 2:35:27 PM
#69:


SuperShake666 posted...
So I guess you don't have a side then.

He's choosing to redirect you to Google because if you cared, you'd actually google his claim to refute it. Because had he actually taken the effort to explain it to you, you'd either disappear, go tl;dr, or claim he was sealioning.
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R_Jackal
09/08/22 2:36:09 PM
#70:


hockeybub89 posted...
I don't have much of an opinion on the Queen herself either. Just don't really get society's view on the dead. Unless they are universally reviled by everyone, you're expected to be be quiet.

Even if a literal family member dragged the deceased, people would just go "Oh well it's hard for people to process the death of family members!"
It's called empathy. Rage, hatred, disgust don't change with a person's death. Those feelings stay the same, by and large--turning to joy possibly for a while. Those that supported or loved the person who died generally have that love turn in to a feeling of emptiness and loss.

To put it in simple terms, jumping on a hate bandwagon the moment someone dies is very akin to "beating someone while they're down.". You're choosing a moment of weakness to justify your hate because you know you won't be fought back against, they'll be by and large, on the defense or silent.
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DipDipDiver
09/08/22 2:36:12 PM
#71:


Oswaldo posted...
When people will ignore the issues that need to be heard and not care? Got it.
You're right, this is the only time the Queen has ever been in the news and Gamefacks.com really needs to hear your thoughts on how bad she was, today specifically
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DoDontTry
09/08/22 2:36:16 PM
#72:


Oswaldo posted...
He's choosing to redirect you to Google because if you cared, you'd actually google his claim to refute it. Because had he actually taken the effort to explain it to you, you'd either disappear, go tl;dr, or claim he was sealioning.

Have you ever eaten a sea lion before?
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Damn_Underscore
09/08/22 2:36:46 PM
#73:


Or a more simple explanation: hes trolling, and so are you funny enough.

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BeantownHero
09/08/22 2:40:52 PM
#74:


Oswaldo posted...
He's choosing to redirect you to Google because if you cared, you'd actually google his claim to refute it. Because had he actually taken the effort to explain it to you, you'd either disappear, go tl;dr, or claim he was sealioning.

Did we just become best friends?


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silverpine
09/08/22 2:41:35 PM
#75:


it's obvious that the best time to talk about her is when she dies because then it becomes a current event. when abe was assassinated a lot of stuff came out about him and his party that effected real change in japan.

i've nothing good nor bad to say about the queen, just pointing out that "not on the day she died" rhetoric is inherently flawed
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TheLiarParadox
09/08/22 2:42:48 PM
#76:


Decorum is a joke.

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Vegito
09/08/22 2:43:41 PM
#77:


TheLiarParadox posted...
Decorum is a joke.

So is poverty womp womp

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SuperShake666
09/08/22 2:48:40 PM
#78:


Oswaldo posted...
He's choosing to redirect you to Google because if you cared, you'd actually google his claim to refute it. Because had he actually taken the effort to explain it to you, you'd either disappear, go tl;dr, or claim he was sealioning.
That's a lot of assumptions about me as a person based on literally nothing.

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BeantownHero
09/08/22 3:30:09 PM
#79:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/6/2/AALimsAADpwW.jpg

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FunkyCat
09/08/22 3:33:12 PM
#80:


BeantownHero posted...
Im a Leo. of course i am.

You'd be surprised how the queen is being discussed in non white circles right now. She was a very controversial person.

I'd be asking the same questions if trump died.
You act like plenty of white people dont despise her and the monarchy.

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thronedfire2
09/08/22 3:34:14 PM
#81:


BeantownHero posted...
popular to WHO, though?

ok Ill say it since no one else will

WHITE PEOPLE


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BeantownHero
09/08/22 3:34:38 PM
#82:


FunkyCat posted...
You act like plenty of white people dont despise her and the monarchy.


I just watched a tiktok of a group of Irishmen river dancing in front of Buckingham Palace

bruh....I'm WELL aware

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Vegito
09/08/22 3:36:59 PM
#83:


BeantownHero posted...
I just watched a tiktok of a group of Irishmen river dancing in front of Buckingham Palace

bruh....I'm WELL aware

If you still got it DM me the link I gotta read those comments

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FunkyCat
09/08/22 3:38:06 PM
#84:


BeantownHero posted...
I just watched a tiktok of a group of Irishmen river dancing in front of Buckingham Palace

bruh....I'm WELL aware
Theres plenty of English happy as well. Not just other white people the monarchy and Britain abused.

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Axiom
09/08/22 3:40:38 PM
#85:


BeantownHero posted...
I just watched a tiktok of a group of Irishmen river dancing in front of Buckingham Palace

bruh....I'm WELL aware
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thronedfire2
09/08/22 5:48:58 PM
#86:


Lol my post got deleted

somehow it was offensive

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LinkDaLunatic
09/08/22 5:50:29 PM
#87:


WHY am i not allowed to troll about someone's death? SBALLEn HATES FREEDUM
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Tom_Joad
09/08/22 5:51:48 PM
#88:


If your parents haven't yet taught you how to speak of the dead... let me help. If they have, and you didn't learn the lesson, well... you'll get the same reception as the Westboro Baptist Church at military funerals.

De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est
Of the dead, nothing but good is to be said.


Speak not ill of the dead man.

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BeantownHero
09/08/22 6:02:06 PM
#89:


LinkDaLunatic posted...
WHY am i not allowed to troll about someone's death? SBALLEn HATES FREEDUM

Kenyans, Indians, Irish and black folk do not seem to not share the same reverence for the queen as her immediate subjects...

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LightningAce11
09/08/22 6:11:29 PM
#90:


A lot of countries and communities seem to be celebrating her death, obviously the British monarchy has done a lot of damage to them.

Phillip was especially hated.

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cuttin_in_farm
09/08/22 6:17:43 PM
#91:


Tbh, I *am* interested to know what bad things people have to say about her. My world history is pretty shit, so a sugar coated reaction to her passing is fairly lame.

But it sounds like you just cant celebrate the actual death.

I feel TC should be able to still criticize her.

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IfGodCouldDie
09/08/22 6:19:48 PM
#92:


BeantownHero posted...
respectfully, she and the monarchy she ruled from are VERY controversial to very large groups of people worldwide
You can criticize something while being respectful. Or Criticism and respect are not mutually exclusive.

Watch this...

The Queen may have had many things about her that were horrendous, but her passing is still to hurt those closest to her and for them I am saddened. For nobody should ever have to lose the ones they love, I hope those closest to her find the closure they need and can heal quickly and move on. I also hope that her successor can bring a more favorable view to the crown and be better than she was.

I am going to add I don't actually know anything about the Queen and her reign but was providing an example of being critical and respectful to someone's death.

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YoungMutual
09/08/22 6:20:47 PM
#93:


Tom_Joad posted...
Of the dead, nothing but good is to be said.
Are you supposed to say good things about hitler, stalin, ted bundy, jeffrey dahmer?

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CanuckCowboy
09/08/22 7:01:15 PM
#94:


As someone who thinks Canada is decades late on severing ties and getting away from that monarchy bs this topic seems kinda ridiculous tbh.

You could have spoken out about the misdeeds or bs of the queen and the monarchy at any time but she dies and suddenly irs a thing you just have to immediately speak out on and not being able to shit on her / it is a problem for you just now?

Like on the one hand yes you're right, on the other hand you had a million chances to say whatever you wanted about her and now you take issue with not being able to on the day of her death?

Also fuck Trump. Fuck the monarchy too, but Trump is a lot worse than e2 was.

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Nukazie
09/08/22 7:02:20 PM
#95:


her first hp bar just got depleted, she has a second phase

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IfGodCouldDie
09/08/22 7:05:21 PM
#96:


CanuckCowboy posted...
As someone who thinks Canada is decades late on severing ties and getting away from that monarchy bs this topic seems kinda ridiculous tbh.

You could have spoken out about the misdeeds or bs of the queen and the monarchy at any time but she dies and suddenly irs a thing you just have to immediately speak out on and not being able to shit on her / it is a problem for you just now?

Like on the one hand yes you're right, on the other hand you had a million chances to say whatever you wanted about her and now you take issue with not being able to on the day of her death?

Also fuck Trump. Fuck the monarchy too, but Trump is a lot worse than e2 was.
Spoken like a true Canadian

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thronedfire2
09/08/22 8:05:05 PM
#97:


YoungMutual posted...
Are you supposed to say good things about hitler, stalin, ted bundy, jeffrey dahmer?

it's ok if they've been dead for a while

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BeantownHero
09/08/22 8:10:05 PM
#98:


CanuckCowboy posted...
As someone who thinks Canada is decades late on severing ties and getting away from that monarchy bs this topic seems kinda ridiculous tbh.

You could have spoken out about the misdeeds or bs of the queen and the monarchy at any time but she dies and suddenly irs a thing you just have to immediately speak out on and not being able to shit on her / it is a problem for you just now?

Like on the one hand yes you're right, on the other hand you had a million chances to say whatever you wanted about her and now you take issue with not being able to on the day of her death?

Also fuck Trump. Fuck the monarchy too, but Trump is a lot worse than e2 was.

Your first mistake is assuming i haven't talked about it before.


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CanuckCowboy
09/08/22 8:15:16 PM
#99:


BeantownHero posted...
Your first mistake is assuming i haven't talked about it before.

Well ok maybe you have. Also you didn't have a pressing need to do it today im pretty sure so....

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NeonOctopus
09/08/22 8:17:20 PM
#100:


Why would people hate the queen? i thought she was cool >_>

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HovaRex
09/08/22 8:19:47 PM
#101:


BeantownHero posted...
Your first mistake is assuming i haven't talked about it before.

Yeah, but this topic definitely comes off as attention seeking tbh.

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thronedfire2
09/08/22 8:25:23 PM
#102:


NeonOctopus posted...
Why would people hate the queen? i thought she was cool >_>

well outwardly she seemed like a nice old lady but there are lots of stories coming out about the whole family being racist. and maybe one is a child sex abuser. and who knows what else goes on behind closed doors. could she still have people summarily executed if she wanted?

also the being the current figurehead for centuries of oppression for some people thing doesn't help

I had to change a bunch of present tenses to past tense, gonna be weird talking about her in past tense from now on.

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Trumble
09/08/22 8:27:09 PM
#103:


Alucard188 posted...
I'd say most manner of speech is fine, so long as you don't get into the realm of celebrating her death.
What about not celebrating but simply not giving a fuck and being tired of hearing about it?

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Unknown5uspect
09/08/22 8:28:29 PM
#104:


Trumble posted...
What about not celebrating but simply not giving a fuck and being tired of hearing about it?
You know you could just not go into topics about her death.

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Kimberly
09/08/22 8:29:29 PM
#105:


It was, to some extent, a very carefully polished and managed image. I still remember the news stories going around about how she'd always make sure all the lights were turned off at the palace when rooms weren't in use, presented as a green-conscious and concerned older head of the household at a time where energy prices were soaring and people were grappling with horrible inflation. It came across as very naked propaganda.

I don't live in the UK. I have no real attachment to her. There's a small bit of sadness because her long-lived reign ensured she was a figure straight out of living history and now she's gone. There was just a lot of bad stuff mixed in with her history.

Which is kinda why I don't really want to go to topics memorializing her death. Let people have their space for that stuff, I don't have the conceited desire to go piss on their parade. Time and place.

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