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Damn_Underscore
09/09/22 12:59:41 PM
#1:


Are these good rule changes?


  • A 15-second pitch clock with the bases empty and a 20-second clock with runners on
  • Two disengagements from the rubber -- including pickoff attempts -- per plate appearance
  • A requirement by hitters to be in the batter's box and "alert" with eight seconds to go on the clock. Hitters are allowed one timeout per plate appearance
  • Only two infielders will be allowed on each side of second base, with all four required to be on the dirt (or inner grass)
  • Infielders cannot position themselves on the outfield grass before the pitch is thrown
  • Bases will increase in size from 15 inches squared to 18

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BuckVanHammer
09/09/22 1:00:47 PM
#2:


Lame, get rid of umps.

Shifting rules are fine tho

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Bandit_Keith
09/09/22 1:01:33 PM
#3:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Two disengagements from the rubber -- including pickoff attempts -- per plate appearance
That's gonna be fucking broken so quickly.

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Damn_Underscore
09/09/22 1:04:29 PM
#4:


More info

  • The pitcher must begin his motion to deliver the pitch before the expiration of the pitch timer.
  • Pitchers who violate the timer are charged with an automatic ball. Batters who violate the timer are charged with an automatic strike.
  • Batters must be in the box and alert to the pitcher by the 8-second mark or else be charged with an automatic strike.
  • With runners on base, the timer resets if the pitcher attempts a pickoff or steps off the rubber.
  • Pitchers are limited to two disengagements (pickoff attempts or step-offs) per plate appearance. However, this limit is reset if a runner or runners advance during the plate appearance.
  • If a third pickoff attempt is made, the runner automatically advances one base if the pickoff attempt is not successful.
  • Mound visits, injury timeouts and offensive team timeouts do not count as a disengagement.
  • If a team has used up all five of its allotted mound visits prior to the ninth inning, that team will receive an additional mound visit in the ninth inning. This effectively serves as an additional disengagement.
  • Umpires may provide extra time if warranted by special circumstances. (So if, as an example, a catcher were to be thrown out on the bases to end the previous half-inning and needed additional time to put on his catching gear, the umpire could allow it.)

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Garioshi
09/09/22 1:12:38 PM
#5:


All good changes, especially the pickoff rules.

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gatorsPENSbucs
09/09/22 1:15:15 PM
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Rules about the shifts are good, everything else seems pretty awful.

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bigblu89
09/09/22 1:15:15 PM
#7:


The only one that doesn't bother me is the larger bases, which is for safety.

The beauty of baseball is that it's long and boring, until it isn't. And then it's REALLY exciting.

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bigblu89
09/09/22 1:18:50 PM
#8:


The pickoff rule isn't great. It basically gives a runner an extra 2 step lead, as they can take a larger lead, and run on the pitchers first move more times than not

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BuckVanHammer
09/09/22 1:19:15 PM
#9:


No one whats a see a game decided on a clock violation...

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TheGoldenEel
09/09/22 1:20:42 PM
#10:


Dumb

this isnt gonna bring any new fans and will just piss off current fans


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IfGodCouldDie
09/09/22 1:22:26 PM
#11:


Sounds like they are trying to get the game moving more and eliminating wasted time. I don't watch baseball and I doubt this is enough to make it more interesting to me, but it will probably be healthier for the sport to not have as much wasted time.

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bigblu89
09/09/22 1:25:35 PM
#12:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Sounds like they are trying to get the game moving more and eliminating wasted time. I don't watch baseball and I doubt this is enough to make it more interesting to me, but it will probably be healthier for the sport to not have as much wasted time.
Which is why I find it odd that they would eliminate the shift, as it results in more outs, which would move the game along.

MLB keeps tinkering the rules, searching for a way to make every game be a 10-9 game, but also finish under 3 hours.

And, of course, the easiest solution, make the between inning commercial breaks shorter, is the one solution they will never explore.

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crayola555
09/09/22 1:28:00 PM
#13:


Imagine seeing the first game where the bases are loaded in the bottom of 9th and the pitcher took too long and the home team won on a timer walk off victory

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Questionmarktarius
09/09/22 1:28:09 PM
#14:


This is going to kill the sport, just like any other attempt to grow the audience via abandoning the existing one.
The "purists" are going to be pissed and migrate to minor leagues, or Japanese leagues.
The indifferents still won't care, and won't bother to watch.

The only real benefit to this is games sucking up less of the tv schedule. There's going to be less ad revenue over shorter games, as well less concession revenue.
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Shotgunnova
09/09/22 1:30:48 PM
#15:


There goes that perk in The Show where you call timeout twice to receive a pitch up and in!

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Weezy_Tha_Don
09/09/22 1:31:51 PM
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I just realized that I dont know shit about baseball lol. I have no idea what half that means

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MabusIncarnate
09/09/22 1:32:21 PM
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Pickoff rule is dumb as shit, wonder what the new record for steals in a season will be.

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bigblu89
09/09/22 1:32:34 PM
#18:


Questionmarktarius posted...
This is going to kill the sport, just like any other attempt to grow the audience via abandoning the existing one.
The "purists" are going to be pissed and migrate to minor leagues, or Japanese leagues.


Minor leagues are already experimenting with these rules.

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Holy_Cloud105
09/09/22 1:40:29 PM
#19:


The pickoff rule just guarantees a steal every at bat now.

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Questionmarktarius
09/09/22 1:41:25 PM
#20:


bigblu89 posted...
Minor leagues are already experimenting with these rules.
Japan it is, then.
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Damn_Underscore
09/09/22 1:42:57 PM
#21:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Japan it is, then.

Not really because of the time difference. The games take place after midnight in the US

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Tyranthraxus
09/09/22 1:44:18 PM
#22:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Two disengagements from the rubber -- including pickoff attempts -- per plate appearance
Thank fucking God

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IfGodCouldDie
09/09/22 1:50:36 PM
#23:


bigblu89 posted...
Which is why I find it odd that they would eliminate the shift, as it results in more outs, which would move the game along.

MLB keeps tinkering the rules, searching for a way to make every game be a 10-9 game, but also finish under 3 hours.

And, of course, the easiest solution, make the between inning commercial breaks shorter, is the one solution they will never explore.
I'm not sure what the shift is.

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IfGodCouldDie
09/09/22 1:51:39 PM
#24:


Questionmarktarius posted...
This is going to kill the sport, just like any other attempt to grow the audience via abandoning the existing one.
The "purists" are going to be pissed and migrate to minor leagues, or Japanese leagues.
The indifferents still won't care, and won't bother to watch.

The only real benefit to this is games sucking up less of the tv schedule. There's going to be less ad revenue over shorter games, as well less concession revenue.
No they won't. Die hard fans mostly bitch and keep watching. Few actually stop watching over this kind of shit.

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Questionmarktarius
09/09/22 1:52:44 PM
#25:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Not really because of the time difference. The games take place after midnight in the US
This brings us to the actual answer: Just edit the "bellyitch" bits out of the games after they're over, and show that.
A game edited down to pitch/swing/fielding would be what, half an hour?
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Tyranthraxus
09/09/22 1:53:05 PM
#26:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
No they won't. Die hard fans mostly bitch and keep watching. Few actually stop watching over this kind of shit.
Any "die hard fans" who are still watching after the 94-95 strike aren't even gonna be phased by this.

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IfGodCouldDie
09/09/22 1:54:06 PM
#27:


Questionmarktarius posted...
This brings us to the actual answer: Just edit the "bellyitch" bits out of the games after they're over, and show that.
A game edited down to pitch/swing/fielding would be what, half an hour?
To do this they couldn't broadcast live

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SauI_Goodman
09/09/22 1:54:43 PM
#28:


If their goal is to ruin the game, mission accomplished.

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BuckVanHammer
09/09/22 1:56:25 PM
#29:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
I'm not sure what the shift is.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/3/6/AALBVTAADqBI.jpg

All the infielders on one side like this. It got real popular lately...pretty lame.

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Questionmarktarius
09/09/22 2:02:12 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
To do this they couldn't broadcast live
The games are in the middle of a workday afternoon anyway. Anyone who wanted to see it live is already at the ballpark, or has a MLB League Pass sub.
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Despised
09/09/22 2:10:45 PM
#31:


Bandit_Keith posted...
That's gonna be fucking broken so quickly.


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Despised
09/09/22 2:10:53 PM
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The shift rules are fine

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voldothegr8
09/09/22 2:12:35 PM
#33:


BuckVanHammer posted...
Lame, get rid of umps.

Shifting rules are fine tho
Just the plate ump really, machines have proven to make more accurate calls.

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Tyranthraxus
09/09/22 2:16:17 PM
#34:


voldothegr8 posted...
Just the plate ump really, machines have proven to make more accurate calls.
You need a plate ump for runs and swing checks. Machines only tell if the ball was in the right area.

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bigblu89
09/09/22 2:21:27 PM
#35:


voldothegr8 posted...
Just the plate ump really, machines have proven to make more accurate calls.
They should do what the Independent Atlantic League has been doing for hte past few seasons when it comes to balls and strikes.

Home plate ump has a "buzzer" on them, similar to an NFL Ref when the buzz him for an instant replay. It "buzzes" the ump when the pitch is in the strike zone, but it's still ultimately up to the umpire to call it a ball or a strike.

So something like a high curveball that barely nicks the top of the zone can still be called a ball.

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Alteres
09/09/22 2:26:32 PM
#36:


crayola555 posted...
Imagine seeing the first game where the bases are loaded in the bottom of 9th and the pitcher took too long and the home team won on a timer walk off victory
Sucks to suck I guess

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Letron_James
09/09/22 2:28:40 PM
#37:


Alteres posted...
Sucks to suck I guess

I have a feeling they will not call it that late in the game...it should be specified to only be for the first 8 innings tbh

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PiOverlord
09/09/22 2:32:12 PM
#38:


If you want the game to be fun, you gotta disincentivize home-runs. The long-ball is the current-day meta, and even the elimination of the shift won't fix that if players still feel like they might as well hit it out of the park. I think increasing the size of the bases is good since it might make the game more active with running, and increase infield singles.

What I really think needs to happen, though, is to increase the distance for home-runs, make every park less home-run friendly. You have to push it to a point where it's no longer the meta.

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Tyranthraxus
09/09/22 2:38:11 PM
#39:


PiOverlord posted...
If you want the game to be fun, you gotta disincentivize home-runs. The long-ball is the current-day meta, and even the elimination of the shift won't fix that if players still feel like they might as well hit it out of the park. I think increasing the size of the bases is good since it might make the game more active with running, and increase infield singles.

What I really think needs to happen, though, is to increase the distance for home-runs, make every park less home-run friendly. You have to push it to a point where it's no longer the meta.

How about when a runner goes home they score points equal to the number of runners on the field?

A grand slam = 10 points, 3 run HR = 6, 2 run HR = 3, and bases empty HR gets you 1. But if you got bases loaded every single you hit nets 4 points.

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IfGodCouldDie
09/09/22 3:05:01 PM
#40:


Questionmarktarius posted...
The games are in the middle of a workday afternoon anyway. Anyone who wanted to see it live is already at the ballpark, or has a MLB League Pass sub.
Fair point, im used to the sports i watch mostly being in the evening or on weekends.

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hop918
09/09/22 3:16:53 PM
#41:


Tyranthraxus posted...
You need a plate ump for runs and swing checks
Swing checks are on the baseline umpires
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geshkigal
09/09/22 4:04:36 PM
#42:


I don't agree with limiting shifts... it just feels like it's rewarding supposed pro-level batters who can't control where they hit the ball (unless I'm underestimating its difficulty).

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Holy_Cloud105
09/09/22 4:07:53 PM
#43:


geshkigal posted...
I don't agree with limiting shifts... it just feels like it's rewarding supposed pro-level batters who can't control where they hit the ball (unless I'm underestimating its difficulty).
While it is hard to hit a baseball, a lot of hitters have said they don't want to learn to hit the other way against the shift. Joey Gallo didn't bother trying to change his approach and neither did Chris Davis as recent examples. It's their fault and defense shouldn't be punished for it.

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Tyranthraxus
09/09/22 4:54:30 PM
#44:


It is difficult enough to hit the ball as it is. Don't need to make the game more boring by encouraging unusual swings & strike outs to play against the shift.

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garan
09/09/22 5:19:47 PM
#45:


I generally like these, especially the stuff about not letting pitchers & batters dick around so much between pitches. I loathe watching batters who have to do a dozen little adjustments between every fucking pitch or call timeout repeatedly.
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PiOverlord
09/10/22 2:44:52 PM
#46:


hop918 posted...
Swing checks are on the baseline umpires
I'm also a little confused on the "runs" part in what a baseline umpire would do better than the guy right there. In events where the angle is strange anyways, a challenge will most likely be made if the home plate umpire got it wrong.

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ForsakenHermit
09/11/22 5:29:43 PM
#47:


The pitch clock rule is long overdue as long as a violation results in a ball, not a balk.

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synth_real
09/11/22 6:13:39 PM
#48:


geshkigal posted...
I don't agree with limiting shifts... it just feels like it's rewarding supposed pro-level batters who can't control where they hit the ball (unless I'm underestimating its difficulty).
The guys who are batting really well are doing just that and hitting the ball all over the field, but in general batting averages are down across the sport. I think banning the shift is only going to make any real difference against lefties, against righties the second baseman is going to be just to the right side of second base instead of just to the left.

The pickoff limit is terrible, though. That's a significant fundamental change to the game

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cjsdowg
09/11/22 6:26:26 PM
#50:


I not a baseball person at all. Can someone tell me what does this mean?

Two disengagements from the rubber -- including pickoff attempts -- per plate appearance

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