Current Events > Sometimes i can't stand certain things about rap.

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Before I start, literally who:

1. Young thug a rapper from Atlanta. Has a racketeering charge against him
2. King Von a rapper and a gangster from Chicago. Allegedly killed 3 or more people.
3. Some more Chicago rapper that I might show a video of. (Who? Chicago rappers that is who)

I use to like the 2010s rap and back. That is where the gangster rap kinda took a backseat and we see all the rapper from alternative perspective. The geeks, the nerds, and so on. But now I am hearing about these rapper who are literally killing others and putting it in their rap song or they are getting killed themselves.

Sure the music sounds tough and make good gym music.. sometimes but why is it we are promoting this stuff for? And sometimes these rapper air out their dirty laundry on Instagram live.
Here is a video documenting some beef with some Chicago rappers on Instagram live.
https://youtu.be/-Ik9UpctePE

It is stupid, I mean why?

Yes it's very stupid.

What sucks is no one think of the family that gets hurt by these rappers and their gang.

I cant stand the rampant misogyny going back decades. I love rap but dont want my daughters to ever listen to it when they grow up lest they internalize that women are a second class to men.

omniryu posted...

It is stupid, I mean why?

Because a lot of these guys are actual gang members. Rapping is seen as one of those ways to make it big and get out of the hood. But once you're wrapped up in that gang mentality, it's hard to escape it.

Some are eventually able to move away from it, but for others it gets them killed before their time. And they rap about it because they're rapping about what they know.

One of my childhood friends used to get bullied, so joining a gang helped him feel "protected". He's been in and out of jail for the last 20 years now. It's fucked up, because he was a good kid up until that point.

radical_rhino posted...

I cant stand the rampant misogyny going back decades. I love rap but dont want my daughters to ever listen to it when they grow up lest they internalize that women are a second class to men.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FREtVfKrQWo

My favorite rap song is the humpty dance

The 2010s is where rap music really began to push the envelope with disrespectful lyrics.

It's when the term "smoking a (insert name) pack" began where a rapper would outright mock the deaths of their opps.

You had beefs in the 90s and 2000s but they never really said the foul shit they do like they do now...

Zeeak4444 posted...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FREtVfKrQWo

To be fair tupac was going after wendy williams in that song because she was making jokes of tupac getting raped in prison.

NoxObscuras posted...

Because a lot of these guys are actual gang members. Rapping is seen as one of those ways to make it big and get out of the hood. But once you're wrapped up in that gang mentality, it's hard to escape it.

Some are eventually able to move away from it, but for others it gets them killed before their time. And they rap about it because they're rapping about what they know.

One of my childhood friends used to get bullied, so joining a gang helped him feel "protected". He's been in and out of jail for the last 20 years now. It's fucked up, because he was a good kid up until that point.

I seen it around me. In fact, the gang stuff is why I am even on this website. My mom bought us (siblings) video games to keep us out of trouble. I always thought it was lame to be in a gang. Although, I think some songs are good gym or hype music. I never really cared for any of it, that much.

ShineboxPhil posted...

The 2010s is where rap music really began to push the envelope with disrespectful lyrics.

It's when the term "smoking a (insert name) pack" began where a rapper would outright mock the deaths of their opps.

You had beefs in the 90s and 2000s but they never really said the foul shit they do like they do now...

I do remember that but I felt that was when people like Tyler the creator was growing big. Drake (as fake as he may be at least he didn't kill anyone) was growing big as well. Then they(rappers) started to mix with pop a lot more than usual.

Now I just keep seeing obituaries and bars all on the same articles.

radical_rhino posted...

I cant stand the rampant misogyny going back decades. I love rap but dont want my daughters to ever listen to it when they grow up lest they internalize that women are a second class to men.

Yeah, I feel like we need to do a lot of unwrapping with how we treat women. To me thays borderline third world country how they treat women. Don't get me wrong. Back then I never thought too much of it but now.... yeah.

violent, gangsta/street rap has been around since the late 80s/early 90s, and the rap that you said that you were into is still around.

a lot of the reason why it seems that one kind has more prominence than the other is because the violent stuff is, surprisingly, finding a lot of popularity on platforms like TikTok with the youth, and ends up getting played more often.

Do you only consider Drill to be modern gangster rap? Because there's plenty of gangster rappers that also mix self awareness and consciousness into their raps now more than ever and it's a phenomenal blend. It makes people from that life more relatable and humanized more now than ever.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Do you only consider Drill to be modern gangster rap? Because there's plenty of gangster rappers that also mix self awareness and consciousness into their raps now more than ever and it's a phenomenal blend. It makes people from that life more relatable and humanized more now than ever.

I don't hear too much of them. And how conscious can you be if you're a gangster.

That just make you a philosopher at best and hypocrite at your worst. Even if the person doesn't participate in any illegal activity. By being In a gang, you're cosigning you're colleague illegal activity.

radical_rhino posted...

I cant stand the rampant misogyny going back decades. I love rap but dont want my daughters to ever listen to it when they grow up lest they internalize that women are a second class to men.

Rampant misogynistic shit is present in all genres of music.

that's just dismissing people's experiences.

if you grow up with people willing to attack you due to where you live, have people you care about being assaulted and/or murdered, "inherit" the lifestyle (parents, siblings, uncles/aunts, etc. in gangs), etc., then your perspective about things is certainly going to be different than someone without those experiences.

plus, seeing the police also engage in illegal activity can affect how people regard the law.

so, if you're living in a dangerous, crime-driven environment, where there's no real sense of judgment, from your view, then how's that going to affect your personal views on so-called illegal activities?

wow the shooting was right in front of the jail? Is Chicago a complete shithole or could they be doing better? I feel really bad for these poeple who view rap as their only escape from the horrible life they were given. It almost makes me feel like listening to rap from any of these people as completely unethical.

g0ldie posted...

that's just dismissing people's experiences.

if you grow up with people willing to attack you due to where you live, have people you care about being assaulted and/or murdered, "inherit" the lifestyle (parents, siblings, uncles/aunts, etc. in gangs), etc., then your perspective about things is certainly going to be different than someone without those experiences.

plus, seeing the police also engage in illegal activity can affect how people regard the law.

so, if you're living in a dangerous, crime-driven environment, where there's no real sense of judgment, from your view, then how's that going to affect your personal views on so-called illegal activities?

I am not trying to say there aren't people with valid experience. Some of it is a valid experience. However, making their lifestyle a commodity is something we should really take a look at. And let's not forget Most of these beefs are surge through very very toxic masculinity. Look at the video in the original page. When they were arguing on Instagram live. It was about who chase who. Who dominated who. Nobody wanted to look like a punk in front of others. We need to address it. Because just it is a valid experience doesn't mean we stop short after that argument.

Then go listen to Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Jack Harlow, and J. Cole. Acting like these gang members are the ones carrying the genre, like gang violence wouldn't exist if it weren't for these guys making music.

omniryu posted...

I am not trying to say there aren't people with valid experience. Some of it is a valid experience. However, making their lifestyle a commodity is something we should really take a look at. And let's not forget Most of these beefs are surge through very very toxic masculinity. Look at the video in the original page. When they were arguing on Instagram live. It was about who chase who. Who dominated who. Nobody wanted to look like a punk in front of others. We need to address it. Because just it is a valid experience doesn't mean we stop short after that argument.

my post was a response to what you said about how you couldn't be both a gangsta rapper and conscious, but someone responded before that so it might seem like it was unrelated.

Flockaveli posted...

Then go listen to Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Jack Harlow, and J. Cole. Acting like these gang members are the ones carrying the genre, like gang violence wouldn't exist if it weren't for these guys making music.

No one said that. That argument is completely different from what I said.

Also, even if we get rid of gang music. Will that make you happy? That people aren't talking about it anymore?

g0ldie posted...

my post was a response to what you said about how you couldn't be both a gangsta rapper and conscious, but someone responded before that so it might seem like it was unrelated.

I mean I get what you're saying. I just don't know how effective that is. By effective I mean tackling the system of gang violence.

Look at Nipsey he was trying to make a change but he ended up getting kill because of street politics? Is that what you call it? The guy pretty much got mad because Nipsey didn't want to work with a snitch. Don't get me wrong the guy should have never pull that gun on Nipsey. But the guy never came up to him on any "street bullshit". He needed help to get a job. I thought the goal was to help make a change? But Nipsey turn him down due to street politics.

Listen to good rap like Lowkey.

https://youtu.be/nBNeD57-RVg

a-c-a-b posted...

Listen to good rap like Lowkey.

https://youtu.be/nBNeD57-RVg

He sounds like he is pretty good. Judging from your user name and the video you sent me. You have some heavy stuff you want to dish out.

Kanye put gangsta rap to rest for bit, or at least lessened it and drill rap Chief Keef specifically and ironically also from Chicago woke that bitch up

omniryu posted...

I don't hear too much of them. And how conscious can you be if you're a gangster.

Very? People in fucked up situations that have to rely on gangs for protection can still be extremely conscious. Also, since when do we assume all gangster rappers are suddenly actually doing the things in their songs? Most of the gangster rappers are the ones on the sidelines that took on the persona of those in their environment to tell their trials and tribulations in melodic and interesting ways. Cause we're all short attentioned spanned weirdos looking for stuff that sounds cool in our ears.

You seem to want to just tuck these people away, making so that they have absolutely zero chance to be noticed and helped. It's the main reason privileged people even know this shit is going on. I know I personally talk to others about how fucked up worshipping money over helping these environments is a lot. And if Im doing it, it means it might also reach people like me who are a lil more ambitious and might do more than just spread the world. Or maybe someone spreading the world will reach someone more ambitious and proactive. You're basically attempting to cut off a life line for an already struggling and left behind class just cause you don't understand it and are privileged enough to have time to worry about getting offended.

omniryu posted...

I mean I get what you're saying. I just don't know how effective that is. By effective I mean tackling the system of gang violence.

Look at Nipsey he was trying to make a change but he ended up getting kill because of street politics? Is that what you call it? The guy pretty much got mad because Nipsey didn't want to work with a snitch. Don't get me wrong the guy should have never pull that gun on Nipsey. But the guy never came up to him on any "street bullshit". He needed help to get a job. I thought the goal was to help make a change? But Nipsey turn him down due to street politics.

my point is that things are relative.

if you've always known something as one way, your standard for improving things might be different from someone else's. and what you might view as bad all around, someone else might see some good in it (like, their gang experience).

as far as Nipsey's death, it was a tragic thing, but such encounters don't always lead to murder, and people also get murdered for disagreements in other scenarios.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You seem to want to just tuck these people away, making so that they have absolutely zero chance to be noticed and helped. It's the main reason privileged people even know this shit is going on. I know I personally talk to others about how fucked up worshipping money over helping these environments a lot

Idc, if you're in a gang. You still cosigning shit they are still doing. And even if privileged people who know what are conscious rappers are doing about it?

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You're basically attempting to cut off a life source for an already struggling and left behind class just cause you don't understand it.

Being a famous rapper straight from street is likely less than 1 percent. It changes a few individuals lives.

g0ldie posted...

if you've always known something as one way, your standard for improving things might be different from someone else's. and what you might view as bad all around, someone else might see some good in it (like, their gang experience).

Fair, maybe one way isn't for everyone. And I don't have nothing really against conscious gangster rapper. Although I do find it as an oxymoron. But the fact of the matter is the most popular ones are the ones who do or command killing. They get the praise and rip. Then we don't talk about the victim and victims family. Like how hurt they are from the effect of gang violence. Just as how we have people praise and idolize dahmer but completely ignore the affects of his victims.

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Biz never got mixed up in this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJoEHE13IGA

omniryu posted...

Fair, maybe one way isn't for everyone. And I don't have nothing really against conscious gangster rapper. Although I do find it as an oxymoron. But the fact of the matter is the most popular ones are the ones who do or command killing. They get the praise and rip. Then we don't talk about the victim and victims family. Like how hurt they are from the effect of gang violence. Just as how we have people praise and idolize dahmer but completely ignore the affects of his victims.

I agree with this.

like, in the past, even if someone was in a gang, they'd use rap, for example, as a means to escape a bad situation.

that's why a lot of gangsta rap used to be introspective/full of regret.

now a lot of gangsta rap is used to help support the gang monetarily and put their name out there/the rappers remain active gang members.

omniryu posted...

Being a famous rapper straight from street is likely less than 1 percent. It changes a few individuals lives.

You completely ignored the whole part about it putting their stories out there and making it so people who would of never been exposed to it any other way may have the ambition to want to help do something about it. You just focused on specifically what only the rappers gain, which was never my argument.

I don't know, I think you're just not gonna get it. I don't think you want to. Vause Goldie is doing an even better job than me and you're also acting dense towards his posts. I feel like you have a very specific rapper in your mind and you're not deviating from that unspoken example. Though, maybe Im doing something similar on the opposite end.

Actually, it's not similar. Cause you didn't even know conscious gangster rap was a thing at the beginning of this topic and now you're using the term like you completely understand what it is. So, you're just on some bullshit

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The problem is, you guys think the term "gangster" as all negatives, like there can't still be a real person behind it that completely understands what their life is. So, you probably qualify anything good influence as "not gangster".

https://youtu.be/VpmuI_kyEeQ

At the very least, Coolio seems to have died from cheeseburger poisoning.

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You could have an argument. That stuff seems way out my realm. I listen to some of it, but what I listen to is usually just goofy enough to not take completely serious. I'm not a fan of Drill. Once I found out people were using real names and real victims in songs, I dropped the only Drill song in my playlist. That's just depressing to know and try to hype to. It feels gross. Especially as someone who is safely so far away from that lifestyle. Damn near celebrating black people killing each other. It's why the first thing I did was try to disassociate Drill from my part of the conversation.

When it's not that personal, it just feels like Scarface or Paid in Full in song form.

this is definitely a CE topic

OudeGeuze posted...

this is definitely a CE topic

This

g0ldie posted...

I agree with this.

like, in the past, even if someone was in a gang, they'd use rap, for example, as a means to escape a bad situation.

that's why a lot of gangsta rap used to be introspective/full of regret.

now a lot of gangsta rap is used to help support the gang monetarily and put their name out there/the rappers remain active gang members.

And I don't mind the escaping part. I fully believe if you lived that life and you get an opportunity to be a superstar....

You
Escape!

Simple as that. But the ones I am talking about in particular are for that life.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

You completely ignored the whole part about it putting their stories out there and making it so people who would of never been exposed to it any other way may have the ambition to want to help do something about it. You just focused on specifically what only the rappers gain, which was never my argument.

I am not ignoring anything. But what what said doesn't change. Yes, it is cool they tell their story. It is cool to give cautionary tale.
But no matter what you say.if he is still in the gang (and he doesn't participate in violence) he still cosign his colleague's violence.

If you were a famous rapper and you were in the gang. And a colleague who is in the gang. Shot and killed someone. You're going to still side with your colleague. It is simple as that. You're not going to apologize on their behalf.

And look I respect the positive side to it. I will never say take away that of it. But at least admit. The ones who are killing even when they are famous has to stop.