Poll of the Day > Me a buddy had a debate about government

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So he said he's against socialism and that he favors small government and the free market capitalist system and I said name a date when the US Gov was small and he then got mad and I said I just asked a question about the time in your opinion when the US Gov was small to which he couldn't answer.

So then I said so you like the free market system and you dislike socialism to which he said yeah and I said OK well uh when the US Gov gave away 200,000 million acres of land for free out West to newly arriving immigrants
from Europe, what would you call that.

He didn't answer so I said well I'd call it socialism because the free market can't your land and give it to someone else. Only a big gov with big guns can do that to which he sat quiet not saying a word.

I then go well today in 2022 there's an estimate that between 20 to 50M people live on farms and ranches out West that their ancestors received for free under Homestead Acts and not one of them have ever shown up in DC and said: Here take this back because I didn't get it honestly but nobody does that now do that.

So again I asked him to name a date when the US Gov was small.
I guess he hasn't found that date yet.

haha totally owned that libertarian dork nice

JigsawTDCII posted...

haha totally owned that libertarian dork nice

Lmao

Are we still not allowed to debate you regarding your views on homosexuality, TC?

And then everyone clapped.

BUMPED2002 posted...

I'd call it socialism because the free market can't your land and give it to someone else. Only a big gov with big guns can do that

That's not really helping your case. Are you implying big government taking your land by force of 'big guns' and giving it to someone else is a good thing?

Libertarians are the worst their ideas just never make an ounce of sense. At least with your standard traitor you can attribute it to evil but with libertarians it's a lack of common sense.

https://thehardtimes.net/culture/libertarian-friend-continues-trend-of-only-50-getting-the-point/

BUMPED2002 posted...

So he said he's against socialism and that he favors small government and the free market capitalist system and I said name a date when the US Gov was small and he then got mad and I said I just asked a question about the time in your opinion when the US Gov was small to which he couldn't answer.

If he's an objectivist he should have been able to name the early Americas, since prior to Roosevelt the US was largely objectivist.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Libertarians are the worst their ideas just never make an ounce of sense. At least with your standard traitor you can attribute it to evil but with libertarians it's a lack of common sense.

That's a little harsh. Libertarians just want to live and let live.

Lokarin posted...

If he's an objectivist he should have been able to name the early Americas, since prior to Roosevelt the US was largely objectivist.

Bumped's strawman likely didn't know any of that because Bumped doesn't know that.

hungrymike posted...

That's a little harsh. Libertarians just want to live and let live.

They're anarchists and anarchy is not an actual form of government.

BlackScythe0 posted...

They're anarchists and anarchy is not an actual form of government.

ITP: BS0 gives away his political ignorance by not understanding either what an anarchist is or a libertarian is.

zeus thinks anarchy is an actual form of government lol

hera posted...

zeus thinks anarchy is an actual form of government lol

It can be, in the same way bald is a hair style even though there's no hair.

But ya, there's lots of nuance since there's ancaps, an-egoists, collectivists, anarcho-communists, as well as outright iconoclasts and neo-iconoclasts.

Count_Drachma posted...

ITP: BS0 gives away his political ignorance by not understanding either what an anarchist is or a libertarian is.

Libertarians are anarchists and anarchists are people that don't have common sense.

Lokarin posted...

It can be, in the same way bald is a hair style even though there's no hair.

But ya, there's lots of nuance since there's ancaps, an-egoists, collectivists, anarcho-communists, as well as outright iconoclasts and neo-iconoclasts.

not really

anarchys entire point is to be ungovernable, so it being a form of government is a catch 22

Libertarians are just another name for conservatives since they're the same people who want to ban abortion.

hera posted...

not really

anarchys entire point is to be ungovernable, so it being a form of government is a catch 22

The way I see it anarchy can only exist in the short term during a state of emergency. People will immediately resort back to tribalism. We are not solitary creatures, we do not want to stand alone, we want to bind ourselves together to defend against "the other."

Revelation34 posted...

Libertarians are just another name for conservatives since they're the same people who want to ban abortion.

Ah yes, the old "one shared belief makes you the exact same kind of person." I bet your mind would fry if you ever met a dope smoking Republican or an anti-imigration Democrat.

If a libertarian wants to ban anything... slap them