Board 8 > Bayonetta voice actress Hellena Taylor calls for a boycott of Bayonetta 3

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foolm0r0n 10/24/22 6:55:26 PM #301:	normalize being wrong and changing your tune --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:968946286] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>normalize being wrong and changing your tune</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/24/22 6:56:42 PM #302:	foolm0r0n posted... normalize being wrong and changing your tune Legitimately difficult to do when arguing with bad faith actors Being wrong and changing your tune about one specific case = the entire broader discussion is invalid and corporations were right all along --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:968946311] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>normalize being wrong and changing your tune</quote>Legitimately difficult to do when arguing with bad faith actorsBeing wrong and changing your tune about one specific case = the entire broader discussion is invalid and corporations were right all along</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TeamRocketElite 10/24/22 6:57:21 PM #303:	Super_Sonic_5 posted... I hate that as soon as new info comes to light in cases like these, everybody immediately wants to retcon the conversation and act like it was so obvious what was really going on and everyone else was so stupid for having any belief or sympathy. When the story broke, it was just as likely that Platinum - notoriously on the verge of bankruptcy at all times - was pinching pennies to try and stretch their budget, and had to scramble for a replacement when Taylor played hardball. It's okay to assess available data and form a conclusion from it, we're not a jury. Penny pinching was mostly ruled out fairly early. If they were looking the go on the cheap, they don't select Jennifer Hale as a replacement. --- My bracket looked like random picks compared to his. Congrats to azuarc for winning the GotD 2020 Guru Contest! <cite>TeamRocketElite posted [p:968946325] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Super_Sonic_5 posted...</cite><quote>I hate that as soon as new info comes to light in cases like these, everybody immediately wants to retcon the conversation and act like it was so obvious what was really going on and everyone else was so stupid for having any belief or sympathy. When the story broke, it was just as likely that Platinum - notoriously on the verge of bankruptcy at all times - was pinching pennies to try and stretch their budget, and had to scramble for a replacement when Taylor played hardball. It's okay to assess available data and form a conclusion from it, we're not a jury.</quote>Penny pinching was mostly ruled out fairly early. If they were looking the go on the cheap, they don't select Jennifer Hale as a replacement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/24/22 7:02:55 PM #304:	TKDBoy1889 posted... Actual issues on worker's rights are going to be set back not only thanks to Helena, but thanks to everyone that immediately jumped on her bandwagon with ZERO EVIDENCE. When will social media learn to stop assuming Twitter rants by themselves are evidence? This is actually a perfect example of what I mean. Hard evidence rarely comes out in situations like these due to NDAs, which favors corporations. 'Twitter rants' are also where most expos new stories are first broken these days. If people were less passionate whenever stories of corporate shittiness first come out, then no progress would ever be made. Hell, progress barely gets made as it is. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:968946436] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>TKDBoy1889 posted... </cite><quote>Actual issues on worker's rights are going to be set back not only thanks to Helena, but thanks to everyone that immediately jumped on her bandwagon with ZERO EVIDENCE. When will social media learn to stop assuming Twitter rants by themselves are evidence?</quote>This is actually a perfect example of what I mean. Hard evidence rarely comes out in situations like these due to NDAs, which favors corporations. 'Twitter rants' are also where most expos new stories are first broken these days. If people were less passionate whenever stories of corporate shittiness first come out, then no progress would ever be made. Hell, progress barely gets made as it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paperwarior 10/24/22 7:06:28 PM #305:	NDAs were a big caveat in following the rule of making sure to get all the info first. For a while there, not all the info was available and it wasn't clear if it would be. It wasn't just reading a headline and not bothering to read the details. --- "God Hand is the ultimate expression of the joy of humanity, specifically the punching part of the joy of humanity."-Shigeru Miyamoto <cite>paperwarior posted [p:968946517] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>NDAs were a big caveat in following the rule of making sure to get all the info first. For a while there, not all the info was available and it wasn't clear if it would be. It wasn't just reading a headline and not bothering to read the details.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/24/22 7:39:02 PM #306:	Lopen posted... cynicism isn't always the way to be smarter about a topic foolm0r0n posted... normalize being wrong and changing your tune which of these is the more ridiculous messenger to deliver a lesson to be learned --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:968947275] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>cynicism isn't always the way to be smarter about a topic</quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>normalize being wrong and changing your tune</quote>which of these is the more ridiculous messenger to deliver a lesson to be learned</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/24/22 7:49:16 PM #307:	Anyway while I agree that you shouldn't just believe the big company by default there was a lot of evidence that Hellena was the one in the wrong here before it became dead obvious Jennifer Hale, who is presumably more pricey than Hellena Taylor, is the replacement. Hellena Taylor rips into Jennifer Hale and says she has no right to call herself the Voice of Bayonetta. Non-standard talk of residuals are mentioned in the negotiations. Inflated sense of the value of the Bayonetta franchise given by Hellena Taylor. It's one thing to just favor the business, it's another to blindly ignore everything we know about the situation at hand because the business is always bad and the individual is always good. Why not save that rhetoric for companies that have earned it and give both sides the benefit of a doubt until we know better otherwise. Platinum doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Blizzard and its ilk just because. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:968947488] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Anyway while I agree that you shouldn't just believe the big company by default there was a lot of evidence that Hellena was the one in the wrong here before it became dead obviousJennifer Hale, who is presumably more pricey than Hellena Taylor, is the replacement.Hellena Taylor rips into Jennifer Hale and says she has no right to call herself the Voice of Bayonetta.Non-standard talk of residuals are mentioned in the negotiations. Inflated sense of the value of the Bayonetta franchise given by Hellena Taylor. It's one thing to just favor the business, it's another to blindly ignore everything we know about the situation at hand because the business is always bad and the individual is always good. Why not save that rhetoric for companies that have earned it and give both sides the benefit of a doubt until we know better otherwise. Platinum doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Blizzard and its ilk just because. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TKDBoy1889 10/24/22 8:56:38 PM #308:	KamikazePotato posted... This is actually a perfect example of what I mean. Hard evidence rarely comes out in situations like these due to NDAs, which favors corporations. 'Twitter rants' are also where most expos new stories are first broken these days. If people were less passionate whenever stories of corporate shittiness first come out, then no progress would ever be made. Hell, progress barely gets made as it is. Problem is Twitter is also rampant with lies and people who will just rant to drive their point home. If you end up attaching yourself to lies to support your narrative, it makes your narrative look bad. Fact is, Helena was offered a far better hourly wage than most workers in general. $15,000 total ($10,000+$5,000 from Kimiya) for what was going to be roughly a half a week's worth of time for your typical full-time employee. But even IF it was only $4,000 for the whole game, that would still amount to roughly about $250 an hour based on how long the previous games took to record. People talk about the "fair and livable wages," but are acting like a single voice acting gig ought to cover a years expenses. That is the issue. Ultimately now it seems those doubling down are insisting VA's ought to get paid a year's salary for just one or two gigs. I'm sorry, but $250/hr is a more than reasonable wage. Either hustle for more gigs or treat voice-acting as supplemental income. There ARE people who deserve better in the corporate culture. Your programmers and testers and asset designers who are the ones pulling 50+ hour weeks a lot of the time, and sometimes have to skip meals to get by. Contractors who put tireless effort into a job for a very long time under the promise of getting a secured job, only to be released as soon as the project has gone gold. Yeah, those people who are truly putting their blood and sweat and tears into a company deserve better. Someone who does 20-30 hours of work for a few thousand dollars or more, I can't really give much sympathy for. <cite>TKDBoy1889 posted [p:968949094] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>This is actually a perfect example of what I mean. Hard evidence rarely comes out in situations like these due to NDAs, which favors corporations. 'Twitter rants' are also where most expos new stories are first broken these days. If people were less passionate whenever stories of corporate shittiness first come out, then no progress would ever be made. Hell, progress barely gets made as it is.</quote>Problem is Twitter is also rampant with lies and people who will just rant to drive their point home. If you end up attaching yourself to lies to support your narrative, it makes your narrative look bad. Fact is, Helena was offered a far better hourly wage than most workers in general. $15,000 total ($10,000+$5,000 from Kimiya) for what was going to be roughly a half a week's worth of time for your typical full-time employee. But even IF it was only $4,000 for the whole game, that would still amount to roughly about $250 an hour based on how long the previous games took to record.People talk about the "fair and livable wages," but are acting like a single voice acting gig ought to cover a years expenses. That is the issue. Ultimately now it seems those doubling down are insisting VA's ought to get paid a year's salary for just one or two gigs. I'm sorry, but $250/hr is a more than reasonable wage. Either hustle for more gigs or treat voice-acting as supplemental income.There ARE people who deserve better in the corporate culture. Your programmers and testers and asset designers who are the ones pulling 50+ hour weeks a lot of the time, and sometimes have to skip meals to get by. Contractors who put tireless effort into a job for a very long time under the promise of getting a secured job, only to be released as soon as the project has gone gold. Yeah, those people who are truly putting their blood and sweat and tears into a company deserve better. Someone who does 20-30 hours of work for a few thousand dollars or more, I can't really give much sympathy for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 10/24/22 9:04:14 PM #309:	TKDBoy1889 posted... Fact is, Helena was offered a far better hourly wage than most workers in general. i thought we already moved past the point where people were comparing stable work hourly pay to gig work hourly pay in this topic --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:968949318] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>TKDBoy1889 posted... </cite><quote>Fact is, Helena was offered a far better hourly wage than most workers in general.</quote>i thought we already moved past the point where people were comparing stable work hourly pay to gig work hourly pay in this topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/24/22 9:26:44 PM #310:	TKDBoy1889 posted... There ARE people who deserve better in the corporate culture. Your programmers and testers and asset designers who are the ones pulling 50+ hour weeks a lot of the time, and sometimes have to skip meals to get by. Contractors who put tireless effort into a job for a very long time under the promise of getting a secured job, only to be released as soon as the project has gone gold. Yeah, those people who are truly putting their blood and sweat and tears into a company deserve better. Someone who does 20-30 hours of work for a few thousand dollars or more, I can't really give much sympathy for. wow you're right, all of the workers involved should share in in the profit generated from their labor according to their contribution. so true. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:968949906] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>TKDBoy1889 posted... </cite><quote>There ARE people who deserve better in the corporate culture. Your programmers and testers and asset designers who are the ones pulling 50+ hour weeks a lot of the time, and sometimes have to skip meals to get by. Contractors who put tireless effort into a job for a very long time under the promise of getting a secured job, only to be released as soon as the project has gone gold. Yeah, those people who are truly putting their blood and sweat and tears into a company deserve better. Someone who does 20-30 hours of work for a few thousand dollars or more, I can't really give much sympathy for.</quote>wow you're right, all of the workers involved should share in in the profit generated from their labor according to their contribution. so true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/24/22 9:59:14 PM #311:	TKDBoy1889 posted... Problem is Twitter is also rampant with lies and people who will just rant to drive their point home. If you end up attaching yourself to lies to support your narrative, it makes your narrative look bad. Fact is, Helena was offered a far better hourly wage than most workers in general. $15,000 total ($10,000+$5,000 from Kimiya) for what was going to be roughly a half a week's worth of time for your typical full-time employee. But even IF it was only $4,000 for the whole game, that would still amount to roughly about $250 an hour based on how long the previous games took to record. People talk about the "fair and livable wages," but are acting like a single voice acting gig ought to cover a years expenses. That is the issue. Ultimately now it seems those doubling down are insisting VA's ought to get paid a year's salary for just one or two gigs. I'm sorry, but $250/hr is a more than reasonable wage. Either hustle for more gigs or treat voice-acting as supplemental income. There ARE people who deserve better in the corporate culture. Your programmers and testers and asset designers who are the ones pulling 50+ hour weeks a lot of the time, and sometimes have to skip meals to get by. Contractors who put tireless effort into a job for a very long time under the promise of getting a secured job, only to be released as soon as the project has gone gold. Yeah, those people who are truly putting their blood and sweat and tears into a company deserve better. Someone who does 20-30 hours of work for a few thousand dollars or more, I can't really give much sympathy for. The hourly wage is deceptive because for a job like this you're going to be spending a significant amount of your time auditioning/prepping (I'd assume significantly more than recording, but I'm not sure what the multiplier is and obviously it depends on your audition success rate and how long the gigs you can book are). That said yeah, even at her original $4000 lie she's at the union base (which from what I can tell is what most VAs command). As a returning main character I do think it's reasonable for her to expect more than that, but four times the base rate when Bayonetta is her only notably role doesn't seem like an insulting offer to me. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:968950697] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>TKDBoy1889 posted... </cite><quote>Problem is Twitter is also rampant with lies and people who will just rant to drive their point home. If you end up attaching yourself to lies to support your narrative, it makes your narrative look bad. Fact is, Helena was offered a far better hourly wage than most workers in general. $15,000 total ($10,000+$5,000 from Kimiya) for what was going to be roughly a half a week's worth of time for your typical full-time employee. But even IF it was only $4,000 for the whole game, that would still amount to roughly about $250 an hour based on how long the previous games took to record.People talk about the "fair and livable wages," but are acting like a single voice acting gig ought to cover a years expenses. That is the issue. Ultimately now it seems those doubling down are insisting VA's ought to get paid a year's salary for just one or two gigs. I'm sorry, but $250/hr is a more than reasonable wage. Either hustle for more gigs or treat voice-acting as supplemental income.There ARE people who deserve better in the corporate culture. Your programmers and testers and asset designers who are the ones pulling 50+ hour weeks a lot of the time, and sometimes have to skip meals to get by. Contractors who put tireless effort into a job for a very long time under the promise of getting a secured job, only to be released as soon as the project has gone gold. Yeah, those people who are truly putting their blood and sweat and tears into a company deserve better. Someone who does 20-30 hours of work for a few thousand dollars or more, I can't really give much sympathy for.</quote>The hourly wage is deceptive because for a job like this you're going to be spending a significant amount of your time auditioning/prepping (I'd assume significantly more than recording, but I'm not sure what the multiplier is and obviously it depends on your audition success rate and how long the gigs you can book are). That said yeah, even at her original $4000 lie she's at the union base (which from what I can tell is what most VAs command). As a returning main character I do think it's reasonable for her to expect more than that, but four times the base rate when Bayonetta is her only notably role doesn't seem like an insulting offer to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/24/22 10:17:13 PM #312:	Lopen posted... which of these is the more ridiculous messenger to deliver a lesson to be learned Definitely mine since you've been a very consistent messenger of cynicism not meaning you're smart --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:968951067] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>which of these is the more ridiculous messenger to deliver a lesson to be learned</quote>Definitely mine since you've been a very consistent messenger of cynicism not meaning you're smart</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/24/22 10:24:33 PM #313:	KamikazePotato posted... Being wrong and changing your tune about one specific case = the entire broader discussion is invalid and corporations were right all along Think of it the other way around. By fearing their interpretation of your one admission as a condemnation of an entire movement, you're encouraging them to act like that in the first place. If that threat is all it takes to make yourself act like a stubborn idiot, then of course they will respond in that way and bring you down to their level. You're giving too much power to actual idiots. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:968951212] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite><quote>Being wrong and changing your tune about one specific case = the entire broader discussion is invalid and corporations were right all along</quote>Think of it the other way around. By fearing their interpretation of your one admission as a condemnation of an entire movement, you're encouraging them to act like that in the first place. If that threat is all it takes to make yourself act like a stubborn idiot, then of course they will respond in that way and bring you down to their level. You're giving too much power to actual idiots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/24/22 11:40:00 PM #314:	foolm0r0n posted... Definitely mine since you've been a very consistent messenger of cynicism not meaning you're smart I would have guessed yours because self awareness hurts the impact but what do I know. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:968952711] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>Definitely mine since you've been a very consistent messenger of cynicism not meaning you're smart</quote>I would have guessed yours because self awareness hurts the impact but what do I know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 10/25/22 9:04:42 AM #315:	Bane_Of_Despair posted... This....is an extremely frustrating and regrettable outcome. It doesn't change my approach of believing those who are abused by companies/others, just really fuckin sucks that it's seemingly turned out twisted in this scenario. But also Shut the fuck up Nanis Oh, come on now, really? It's not like I bragged about this, or insulted those that decided to believe her, or said how "ahead of the curve" I was I just stated something that you should have learned years ago - be neutral at first and then form your own opinion after you learn the facts Those who sides themselves with the victims automatically are just as bad as those who sides themselves with the companies Get rid of your prejudice for fuck's sake But whatever I am the bad guy because I don't jump to conclusions whenever a random person on the Internet plays victim --- wololo <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:968957918] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Bane_Of_Despair posted... </cite><quote>This....is an extremely frustrating and regrettable outcome. It doesn't change my approach of believing those who are abused by companies/others, just really fuckin sucks that it's seemingly turned out twisted in this scenario. But alsoShut the fuck up Nanis</quote>Oh, come on now, really?It's not like I bragged about this, or insulted those that decided to believe her, or said how "ahead of the curve" I wasI just stated something that you should have learned years ago - be neutral at first and then form your own opinion after you learn the factsThose who sides themselves with the victims automatically are just as bad as those who sides themselves with the companiesGet rid of your prejudice for fuck's sakeBut whatever I am the bad guy because I don't jump to conclusions whenever a random person on the Internet plays victim</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/25/22 12:13:37 PM #316:	Nanis23 posted... Those who sides themselves with the victims automatically are just as bad as those who sides themselves with the companies Have you tried taking this to its logical conclusion? --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:968961395] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Nanis23 posted... </cite><quote>Those who sides themselves with the victims automatically are just as bad as those who sides themselves with the companies</quote>Have you tried taking this to its logical conclusion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiquidOshawott 10/28/22 10:49:14 AM #317:	https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586002385281122306?s=46&t=2sIBllQDZbXP5utxoOn0iQ continuing down the rabbit hole we go --- I live on, THROUGH THIS SEASHELL! VeryInsane's mobile account <cite>LiquidOshawott posted [p:969031319] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586002385281122306?s=46&t=2sIBllQDZbXP5utxoOn0iQcontinuing down the rabbit hole we go </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 10/28/22 10:53:11 AM #318:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/9/2/AAeolZAAD00o.jpg --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:969031386] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/9/2/AAeolZAAD00o.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHINE_GET_64 10/28/22 11:01:03 AM #319:	the continuous schreier dunk --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>SHINE_GET_64 posted [p:969031521] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>the continuous schreier dunk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 10/28/22 11:01:38 AM #320:	Man, don't ever call Schreier a liar. Lol --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:969031534] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Man, don't ever call Schreier a liar. Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHINE_GET_64 10/28/22 11:06:15 AM #321:	https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586004825698861058 I wonder why --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>SHINE_GET_64 posted [p:969031619] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586004825698861058I wonder why</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nanis23 10/28/22 12:20:02 PM #322:	LiquidOshawott posted... https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586002385281122306?s=46&t=2sIBllQDZbXP5utxoOn0iQ continuing down the rabbit hole we go Ouch She is done --- wololo <cite>Nanis23 posted [p:969033132] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>LiquidOshawott posted... </cite><quote>https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1586002385281122306?s=46&t=2sIBllQDZbXP5utxoOn0iQcontinuing down the rabbit hole we go</quote>OuchShe is done</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 10/28/22 2:18:57 PM #323:	We already knew she was conservative so that doesn't surprise me tbh --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:969035646] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>We already knew she was conservative so that doesn't surprise me tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 10/28/22 2:42:08 PM #324:	i found out about her personal politics around the time the schreier article went out and i started really looking forward to seeing what charities she endorsed no Autism Speaks, but more religious stuff than expected --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:969036090] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>i found out about her personal politics around the time the schreier article went out and i started really looking forward to seeing what charities she endorsedno Autism Speaks, but more religious stuff than expected</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/28/22 2:44:03 PM #325:	Any Christian org will fund anti-abortion ads, so it's essentially saying she suggested a Christian org --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:969036120] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Any Christian org will fund anti-abortion ads, so it's essentially saying she suggested a Christian org</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/28/22 2:48:40 PM #326:	foolm0r0n posted... Any Christian org will fund anti-abortion ads, so it's essentially saying she suggested a Christian org The org is called "Billboards for Life"... seems pretty specific! --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:969036219] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>Any Christian org will fund anti-abortion ads, so it's essentially saying she suggested a Christian org</quote>The org is called "Billboards for Life"... seems pretty specific!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacArrowny 10/28/22 4:00:01 PM #327:	foolm0r0n posted... Any Christian org will fund anti-abortion ads, so it's essentially saying she suggested a Christian org https://billboardsforlife.com/ You're calling this "any Christian org"? --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>MacArrowny posted [p:969037710] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>Any Christian org will fund anti-abortion ads, so it's essentially saying she suggested a Christian org</quote>https://billboardsforlife.com/You're calling this "any Christian org"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/28/22 4:56:14 PM #328:	Yes? --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:969038843] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Yes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/28/22 5:03:02 PM #329:	normalize being wrong and changing your tune --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:969038997] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>normalize being wrong and changing your tune</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/28/22 5:13:31 PM #330:	Is the goal to make me explain to you how that's a Christian org like you're a bunch of toddlers or something? I don't get it --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:969039202] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Is the goal to make me explain to you how that's a Christian org like you're a bunch of toddlers or something? I don't get it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/28/22 5:17:14 PM #331:	Figures the guy who thought I was randomly talking about wheat wouldn't understand context and why "any" has considerably different implications when used in this discussion --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:969039283] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Figures the guy who thought I was randomly talking about wheat wouldn't understand context and why "any" has considerably different implications when used in this discussion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dels 10/28/22 5:26:16 PM #332:	i mean i had the same reaction when i saw the tweet, i was like "what, did they dig through all the charities and find out that one of them is christian and vaguely supported something anti-abortion among other things" and then i looked and it was like, no, she literally linked to Anti-Abortion Charity. so for me yeah that made me think "oh my assumption was wrong lol" <cite>Dels posted [p:969039477] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>i mean i had the same reaction when i saw the tweet, i was like "what, did they dig through all the charities and find out that one of them is christian and vaguely supported something anti-abortion among other things"and then i looked and it was like, no, she literally linked to Anti-Abortion Charity.so for me yeah that made me think "oh my assumption was wrong lol"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 10/28/22 5:31:27 PM #333:	Would've had more cover going the Salvation Army route which, while still being shit, gets a pass for just being really ubiquitous --- https://imgtc.ws/i/1LkkaGU.jpg somethin somethin hung somethin horse somethin <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:969039589] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Would've had more cover going the Salvation Army route which, while still being shit, gets a pass for just being really ubiquitous </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/28/22 5:50:06 PM #334:	foolm0r0n posted... Is the goal to make me explain to you how that's a Christian org like you're a bunch of toddlers or something? I don't get it The point is that it isn't a Christian org that just happens to run billboards, it's an org that is SPECIFICALLY anti-abortion/runs billboards and just happens to be Christian. There is a stark difference between a Christian org that goes "well, yes, this is Christian," and an org whose main focus is literally the anti-abortion subject. Yes they're technically Christian, but, uh... It's not like they're outwardly pushing multiple Christian values. Just one specific one. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:969039964] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>Is the goal to make me explain to you how that's a Christian org like you're a bunch of toddlers or something? I don't get it</quote>The point is that it isn't a Christian org that just happens to run billboards, it's an org that is SPECIFICALLY anti-abortion/runs billboards and just happens to be Christian.There is a stark difference between a Christian org that goes "well, yes, this is Christian," and an org whose main focus is literally the anti-abortion subject.Yes they're technically Christian, but, uh... It's not like they're outwardly pushing multiple Christian values. Just one specific one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 10/28/22 5:55:38 PM #335:	I'm not sure the distinction really matters. They're an anti-abortion religious organization either way. I will say that even if I was anti-abortion I feel like donating to a charity specifically for billboards would just feel like throwing my money down a pit. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:969040062] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure the distinction really matters. They're an anti-abortion religious organization either way. I will say that even if I was anti-abortion I feel like donating to a charity specifically for billboards would just feel like throwing my money down a pit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 10/28/22 6:01:00 PM #336:	Kenri posted... I'm not sure the distinction really matters. They're an anti-abortion religious organization either way. I disagree. For example, a Christian organization which runs a homeless shelter and is against abortion, but doesn't do anything about it is better than a Christian organizations whose sole purpose is to promote anti-abortion views. --- Congratulations to azuarc for winning the guru challenge <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:969040161] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Kenri posted... </cite><quote>I'm not sure the distinction really matters. They're an anti-abortion religious organization either way.</quote>I disagree. For example, a Christian organization which runs a homeless shelter and is against abortion, but doesn't do anything about it is better than a Christian organizations whose sole purpose is to promote anti-abortion views.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/28/22 6:05:40 PM #337:	charmander6000 posted... I disagree. For example, a Christian organization which runs a homeless shelter and is against abortion, but doesn't do anything about it is better than a Christian organizations whose sole purpose is to promote anti-abortion views. This. There ARE good Christian organization causes, even if they're usually outweighed by the bad more often than not. This one doesn't do any of those, though. It ONLY focuses on the bad. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:969040239] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>charmander6000 posted... </cite><quote>I disagree. For example, a Christian organization which runs a homeless shelter and is against abortion, but doesn't do anything about it is better than a Christian organizations whose sole purpose is to promote anti-abortion views.</quote>This. There ARE good Christian organization causes, even if they're usually outweighed by the bad more often than not. This one doesn't do any of those, though. It ONLY focuses on the bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiteLens 10/28/22 6:14:30 PM #338:	I guess we should be a little thankful that Reuben Langdon pretty much removed himself from the voice acting industry without causing much of a ruckus towards himself, as I'm pretty sure most of these companies aren't going to want to deal with him. That's probably why Ken has a new voice in Street Fighter 6. --- FFXIV - Faerie Server: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/5086952/ F/GO: 271551102; FFBE: 886783216; LLSIFAS: 438166726 <cite>WhiteLens posted [p:969040419] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>I guess we should be a little thankful that Reuben Langdon pretty much removed himself from the voice acting industry without causing much of a ruckus towards himself, as I'm pretty sure most of these companies aren't going to want to deal with him. That's probably why Ken has a new voice in Street Fighter 6.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xiahou_Shake 10/28/22 6:19:32 PM #339:	Reuben Langdon is an absolute nutcase but also I don't know if I have it in me to ever accept another voice for Dante --- Let the voice of love take you higher, With this gathering power, go beyond even time! <cite>Xiahou_Shake posted [p:969040513] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Reuben Langdon is an absolute nutcase but also I don't know if I have it in me to ever accept another voice for Dante</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/28/22 6:20:06 PM #340:	I was today years old when I learned that Dante's VA is a conspiracy theorist. Damnit. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:969040522] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>I was today years old when I learned that Dante's VA is a conspiracy theorist.Damnit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/28/22 6:24:05 PM #341:	Far as being a nut job goes conspiracy theorists are mostly harmless. Can't speak for Dante's VA in particular don't really care to dig into him but. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:969040602] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Far as being a nut job goes conspiracy theorists are mostly harmless. Can't speak for Dante's VA in particular don't really care to dig into him but.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xiahou_Shake 10/28/22 6:24:35 PM #342:	Reuben Langdon has historically been mostly an X-Files era conspiracy theorist rather than the nasty, malicious kind that we've had the displeasure of dealing with in more recent times... but he's gotten worryingly close to the latter with some of his anti-vax views and such. --- Let the voice of love take you higher, With this gathering power, go beyond even time! <cite>Xiahou_Shake posted [p:969040608] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Reuben Langdon has historically been mostly an X-Files era conspiracy theorist rather than the nasty, malicious kind that we've had the displeasure of dealing with in more recent times... but he's gotten worryingly close to the latter with some of his anti-vax views and such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiteLens 10/28/22 6:41:14 PM #343:	Yeah, to be fair, he's not spewing much hateful words, he's just......far out there. And who knows, SF6 has a lot of voice cast change, so he could have been replaced as Ken anyways regardless of his views. But he has been quite dodgy about it whenever it gets brought up. --- FFXIV - Faerie Server: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/5086952/ F/GO: 271551102; FFBE: 886783216; LLSIFAS: 438166726 <cite>WhiteLens posted [p:969040949] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, to be fair, he's not spewing much hateful words, he's just......far out there.And who knows, SF6 has a lot of voice cast change, so he could have been replaced as Ken anyways regardless of his views.But he has been quite dodgy about it whenever it gets brought up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 10/28/22 6:47:32 PM #344:	StealThisSheen posted... The point is that it isn't a Christian org that just happens to run billboards, it's an org that is SPECIFICALLY anti-abortion/runs billboards and just happens to be Christian. There is a stark difference between a Christian org that goes "well, yes, this is Christian," and an org whose main focus is literally the anti-abortion subject. Yes they're technically Christian, but, uh... It's not like they're outwardly pushing multiple Christian values. Just one specific one. What? Go to the website and the link to the church it's associated with. They do a bunch of stuff and this is apparently one of them. Looks like your classic set of charities for homeless and kids and such. If you're donating to a church it likely has this combo anti-abortion/homeless/kids stuff, so go check. StealThisSheen posted... This. There ARE good Christian organization causes, even if they're usually outweighed by the bad more often than not. This one doesn't do any of those, though. It ONLY focuses on the bad. It's official then, The SEP finds billboardsforlife.com acceptable because it's part of a good Christian org. Hellena did nothing wrong here. Let's all eagerly await a better reason to hate on her. --- _foolmo_ he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:969041067] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite><quote>The point is that it isn't a Christian org that just happens to run billboards, it's an org that is SPECIFICALLY anti-abortion/runs billboards and just happens to be Christian.There is a stark difference between a Christian org that goes "well, yes, this is Christian," and an org whose main focus is literally the anti-abortion subject.Yes they're technically Christian, but, uh... It's not like they're outwardly pushing multiple Christian values. Just one specific one.</quote>What?Go to the website and the link to the church it's associated with. They do a bunch of stuff and this is apparently one of them. Looks like your classic set of charities for homeless and kids and such. If you're donating to a church it likely has this combo anti-abortion/homeless/kids stuff, so go check.StealThisSheen posted... </cite><quote>This. There ARE good Christian organization causes, even if they're usually outweighed by the bad more often than not. This one doesn't do any of those, though. It ONLY focuses on the bad.</quote>It's official then, The SEP finds billboardsforlife.com acceptable because it's part of a good Christian org. Hellena did nothing wrong here. Let's all eagerly await a better reason to hate on her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 10/28/22 6:55:35 PM #345:	Just saw what she wants Bayo3 boycotters to use their money on. Fuck that bitch, now I want to buy Bayo3 just to spite her. --- "If you ever feel good about yourself, just look on the Internet." - Ryan Reynolds <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:969041230] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Just saw what she wants Bayo3 boycotters to use their money on. Fuck that bitch, now I want to buy Bayo3 just to spite her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 10/28/22 6:58:26 PM #346:	foolm0r0n posted... It's official then, The SEP finds billboardsforlife.com acceptable because it's part of a good Christian org. Hellena did nothing wrong here. Let's all eagerly await a better reason to hate on her. I think you misread that post SEP clearly said billboardsforlife is bad... --- Congratulations to azuarc for winning the guru challenge <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:969041290] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>It's official then, The SEP finds billboardsforlife.com acceptable because it's part of a good Christian org. Hellena did nothing wrong here. Let's all eagerly await a better reason to hate on her.</quote>I think you misread that post SEP clearly said billboardsforlife is bad...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/28/22 7:04:53 PM #347:	foolm0r0n posted... Oh right, I forgot about your reading comprehension I highlighted the "being wrong" post plenty in here but this one is almost as hilariously unaware --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:969041393] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>Oh right, I forgot about your reading comprehension</quote>I highlighted the "being wrong" post plenty in here but this one is almost as hilariously unaware</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/28/22 7:13:05 PM #348:	foolm0r0n posted... What? Go to the website and the link to the church it's associated with. They do a bunch of stuff and this is apparently one of them. Looks like your classic set of charities for homeless and kids and such. If you're donating to a church it likely has this combo anti-abortion/homeless/kids stuff, so go check. It's official then, The SEP finds billboardsforlife.com acceptable because it's part of a good Christian org. Hellena did nothing wrong here. Let's all eagerly await a better reason to hate on her. You're not actually very smart, are you? Today I learned. EDIT: Seems like you just now realized what people were saying, and you attempted to move your shitty logic to somebody else. Except I blatantly said billboardforlife.com is bad, so you fail, here. This is classic "Oh shit I defended this person, so now I need to pretend it was actually somebody else defending them." Sad, really. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:969041538] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>foolm0r0n posted... </cite><quote>What?Go to the website and the link to the church it's associated with. They do a bunch of stuff and this is apparently one of them. Looks like your classic set of charities for homeless and kids and such. If you're donating to a church it likely has this combo anti-abortion/homeless/kids stuff, so go check.It's official then, The SEP finds billboardsforlife.com acceptable because it's part of a good Christian org. Hellena did nothing wrong here. Let's all eagerly await a better reason to hate on her.</quote>You're not actually very smart, are you? Today I learned.EDIT: Seems like you just now realized what people were saying, and you attempted to move your shitty logic to somebody else. Except I blatantly said billboardforlife.com is bad, so you fail, here.This is classic "Oh shit I defended this person, so now I need to pretend it was actually somebody else defending them." Sad, really.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Crispy 10/28/22 7:19:46 PM #349:	Xiahou_Shake posted... Reuben Langdon has historically been mostly an X-Files era conspiracy theorist rather than the nasty, malicious kind that we've had the displeasure of dealing with in more recent times... but he's gotten worryingly close to the latter with some of his anti-vax views and such. the main plot line in the x files is pretty much just anti vaxx and white replacement garbage, though. --- The only certain death in the universe is Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons. Not changing this line until I beat Seven Heroes (2/24/07) - Fulfilled 2/20/18 <cite>Mr_Crispy posted [p:969041684] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>Xiahou_Shake posted... </cite><quote>Reuben Langdon has historically been mostly an X-Files era conspiracy theorist rather than the nasty, malicious kind that we've had the displeasure of dealing with in more recent times... but he's gotten worryingly close to the latter with some of his anti-vax views and such.</quote>the main plot line in the x files is pretty much just anti vaxx and white replacement garbage, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
agesboy 10/28/22 7:23:56 PM #350:	did b8 separate into factions in the years ive been gone or something --- http://i.imgur.com/LabbRyN.jpg raytan and Kana are on opposite ends of the Awesome Spectrum. <cite>agesboy posted [p:969041775] in Bayonetta ... [t:80199098]...</cite> <quote>did b8 separate into factions in the years ive been gone or something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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