Poll of the Day > Many white men see progressive society as oppressive and tyrannical.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Are their fears true?
If not, why do they perpetuate ideas that contradict the research and opinions of most of the planet Earth? Is affirmative action hurting qualified candidates unfairly? Is Critical Race Theory toxic insofar as white men know the sociological truths in spite of the rest of the planet and scholars?

Instead of making things better for marginalized people we should just make things shittier for white men until we're all equally fucked

BigOlePappy posted...

why do they perpetuate ideas that contradict the research and opinions of most of the planet Earth?

That is not very specific. Do you have anything more concrete than this broad sweeping generalization?

BigOlePappy posted...

Is affirmative action hurting qualified candidates unfairly?

Of course it is. It is the definition of discrimination based on race. Applicant that will perform the best in the role should get, regardless of race. Not only that, but if someone is unqualified and gets in on the basis of race, it is a disservice to them who would perform way better in a different role. It is better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond.

hungrymike posted...

Applicant that will perform the best in the role should get, regardless of race.

resources available during your upbringing will affect your performance, though, and people who weren't fucking historically slaves will obviously have a shitton more resources at their disposal. because they weren't slaves.

you aren't gauging actual talent with strict performance-based testing. you're gauging preparation, inherently built upon the back of racism.

Zareth posted...

Instead of making things better for marginalized people we should just make things shittier for white men until we're all equally fucked

this seems fair for everybody.

Zareth posted...

Instead of making things better for marginalized people we should just make things shittier for white men until we're all equally fucked

That's essential what we are doing.

Power pendulum

The bulk of the woke garbage comes flooding out of California and New York. The two states with the worst literacy rates in the nation. Funny how that never gets mentioned.

Well yeah, the good parts that they like to talk about such as social justice is mostly just a front for more government power.

honestly, as long as PO is oppressed, Im fine with whatever else happens in society

By any chance, did you meet these people?
https://youtu.be/APo2p4-WXsc

I'm a white man, and the white men who think that are losers.

JigsawTDCII posted...

honestly, as long as PO is oppressed, Im fine with whatever else happens in society

To be fair, I'm living my best life.

When you're white enough and rich enough, you don't actually have to follow like half the rules everyone else does. Taxes? Haven't paid those in years! Loopholes - fuck yeah! Oh, and I've never had to worry about cops. They've never been anything other than polite and respectful to me. I've talked my way out of so many tickets. 90 in a 55? Ha!

And I don't know what you millennials keep complaining about when it comes to money, I've got my own house, multiple cars, pretty significant savings, and no debt of any kind. Whee!

Also, when you're over 40, you don't ever actually have to interact with anyone who isn't Conservative, even in the bluest of states. I've actually self-inflicted my own hell on myself by spending time on GameFAQs and mostly watching videos on YouTube. If I just dropped all social media other than the right parts of Facebook and switched to mostly streaming old TV shows I probably wouldn't even have to acknowledge that anyone under the age of 40 exists at all!

By the time any real oppression of white men kicks in for realsies, I'll probably be dead. Or maybe just immortal and living in Elon Musk's secret space station that only the WASPs are getting invited to. I'm on the list!

i find most cops will leave me alone if i just cry and make myself look as pathetic as possible.

I find cops leave me alone cuz I never go outside

Well could be but lets be honest about US history. From the beginning in those Colonies, the elite rich land owners called all the shots because they decided to lock people out who didn't own land. Wealthy White men convinced not wealthy White men that although you may not financially wealthy, your skin gives you ad advantage a leg up etc over everyone else in America so as long you're White, you'll always have a job etc etc because you'll get first crack at any and all opportunities across the board and they bought that.

Later, that also locked people out who didn't own land and slaves so mainly much like today, we have wealthy elite White men telling everyone else what to do and they use fear tactics to keep some of us teetering on the edge.

The GOP of the two parties, decided to use that playbook and drive home that point very well. When jobs began moving out offshore and working class White men couldn't find work, the GOP seized an opportunity to blame the job loss on Black people and Affirmative Action and White people bought that narrative like a hot stock.

Then when the AA ran its course they said, well the reason you can't find a job is because of the threat of semi skilled labor from South of the border which again wasn't true but the GOP used that to keep winning elections all while promising to fix all of the problems of White mostly male working class men and they bought.

Donald Trump to a degree played on those same fears with his promise to build a wall to keep those people out.

Now because the corporate control of our Gov and our Courts, White men are once again seeing their backs pushed against the wall which leads to drug abuse, alcohol, divorce, and all of the insane things we now see in this country

Guys murdering their entire families to avoid paying child support and alimony, wages not rising significantly for the people on lowed end of corp salaries etc etc.

Thomas Jefferson, upon breaking ground for the University Of Virginia said; "People should 3 to 6 years of compulsory education and at the end, we'll pick a few geniuses from the rubbish."

Now I'll that to everyone's imagination as to who Jefferson felt were the rubbish. Being that he wasn't talking about Black folks or Native American folks, what group of people did that leave back then,

White people, especially White men yet as White men we keep ignoring all the signs that the Elites and the wealthy in America have, over time, harmed us as much as they have harmed Black people and other non Whites.

Those of us who are White males, keep ignoring that fact that wealthy White me do not like not wealthy White men but they give us just enough not to rile upset us at them so they point fingers at others in society and tell us that those people are the problem for the crime, drugs, us not getting jobs etc etc and time and time again since those Colonies,those of us who are White men have fell for this BS and we still do because we may not be super wealthy but at least we ain't Black.

This country is coming unglued before our eyes and we all act as if we don't see it. People on drugs, alcohol, with mental illness, mired in heavy debt from student loans, CC, etc on top of everyday expenses of living, mortgage, gas bills, cell. internet, fam life, high gas prices because most us live an hour or so away from where we spend most of our time and that's at work.

But the pay across the board for most people especially working class people in America hasn't kept up so some of us work more hours for OT, our wives work, some of us have more than one job etc etc all in an attempt to keep up this Middle Class life illusion and we all pay for that in the end at some point.

BUMPED2002 posted...

From the beginning in those Colonies, the elite rich land owners called all the shots because they decided to lock people out who didn't own land.

Like it or not, you've just described nearly the entirety of human history.

There's always been wealth inequality. There's always been class inequality. There's always been people at the top shitting down on the people on the bottom. The only thing that's ever really changed is what we call the people at the top (Kings, Emperors, Lord Protector, "The Party", Clergy, CEOs, etc), and who gets to be the ones on the bottom.

And every time the pressure builds up too much and there's a rebellion to "throw off the yoke of oppression", all it ever really does is shake things up a little, and shuffle around who gets to be on top and who has to be on the bottom (and what everyone calls themselves). Inequality never really goes away, it just moves around a bit.

Because at the end of the day, people suck.





Also, for funsies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

https://youtu.be/36FbHXsEuzM

"This is fair now!"

How do the white men who grew up ostracized from mainstream culture and basic humanness feel? The ones that were "exoticized" and seen as "the other"? That isn't rhetorical; I am genuinely curious since it would be a good way to study variables.

As a gay black man, I shudder when I think of how far my white brothers have fallen in such a short time. The boogeyman of "racism" has been used to justify worse transgressions than we've seen in the last century. It turns out progressives are better at reversing social change than implementing it, which isn't surprising when you look at their controversial methods.

Keep the 99% divided so the 1% can keep it's control.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

And every time the pressure builds up too much and there's a rebellion to "throw off the yoke of oppression", all it ever really does is shake things up a little, and shuffle around who gets to be on top and who has to be on the bottom (and what everyone calls themselves). Inequality never really goes away, it just moves around a bit.

Pretty much this. But thankfully, American schools are deliberately awful -- thanks to the far-left and unions -- that students coming out of it don't realize obvious things like that. And, generally speaking, whenever one government is overthrown, it's pretty often replaced by one that's more oppressive than the original. Maoist China, Soviet Russia, Communist Cuba, and a thousand other examples demonstrate the idea pretty well. Even the French Revolution was the same at first.

But history is barely taught in schools so people forget that. So when They-Whose-Name-Must-Not-Be-Spoken suggested Americans could learn something from the French Revolution -- a suggestion they made THE SAME WEEK AS THE JAN 6 RIOTS (with, as always, ZERO repercussions) -- I can't be sure whether or not they were ignorant to things like the Reign of Terror or if that's kinda what they wanted.

Count_Drachma posted...

Pretty much this. But thankfully, American schools are deliberately awful -- thanks to the far-left and unions -- that students coming out of it don't realize obvious things like that. And, generally speaking, whenever one government is overthrown, it's pretty often replaced by one that's more oppressive than the original. Maoist China, Soviet Russia, Communist Cuba, and a thousand other examples demonstrate the idea pretty well. Even the French Revolution was the same at first.

But history is barely taught in schools so people forget that. So when They-Whose-Name-Must-Not-Be-Spoken suggested Americans could learn something from the French Revolution -- a suggestion they made THE SAME WEEK AS THE JAN 6 RIOTS (with, as always, ZERO repercussions) -- I can't be sure whether or not they were ignorant to things like the Reign of Terror or if that's kinda what they wanted.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/7/AAasTxAADywN.jpg

Yes, Zeus, it's the left who are destroying our schools, not the guys who keep defunding education

Count_Drachma posted...

American schools are deliberately awful -- thanks to the far-left and unions

lol Zeus coming in hot with the worst fucking takes possible.

I wonder if Zeus makes a living of saying the worst stuff he can come up with?

i didn't know it was the unions that were providing guns and shooting up the children

well shit problem solved

lol

Was the TC gonna provide a link or evidence or...?

Zareth posted...

Yes, Zeus, it's the left who are destroying our schools, not the guys who keep defunding education

Ehh, our schools have been kind of shit for decades regardless of who was "in charge" and regardless of funding.

There have literally been hundreds of books written about how damaging the American education curriculum tends to be across the board, because it shapes thinking in very specific ways that often aren't all that compatible with history (or reality). And which most people will never realize was wrong because most people don't go on to study history or psychology in-depth post basic education.

It's easy (now) to point at old textbooks and notice how skewed the historical perspective is when it comes to things like civil rights or pretty much anything involving Native Americans. But it's a lot harder for people to realize just how much choosing which aspects of history to focus on in a hopelessly overstretched schedule can completely alter the context of things (ie, when you gloss over hundreds of years of history in a paragraph or three, you're probably not getting a very accurate understanding of literally anything).

Or how pushing a narrative of inevitable "progress" (not in the "social justice" sense or the political sense, but in the sense of "everything is always getting better every day, so the present is inherently better than the past in every way") can fuel incredibly ethnocentric and xenophobic (and ultimately ignorant as fuck) points of view. And which ultimately isn't all that different from the thinking that fueled Manifest Destiny.

American curricula are generally a combination of deliberate propaganda supported by both parties combined with general apathy. And is pretty much designed to discourage critical thinking or independent research, because those sorts of things make for unruly citizens.

Yes, PO, and further defunding education is the way to fix it

Zareth posted...

Yes, PO, and further defunding education is the way to fix it

If a system is broken, simply throwing more money into it doesn't fix it either.

The point is that funding or the lack thereof is almost immaterial to the desperate need for reform.

It's the same reason why the Obama-driven health care initiative may have done more harm than good. Because it's mostly diverted attention from the need for health care reform (especially in regards to hospital billing and "Big Pharma"). When people are told that a problem has been "fixed" (or that a problem is "going to be fixed") by extra funding, people tend to stop caring about the problem. Which means they stop pushing for actual fixes. And the government gets to ignore the problem for another generation or so while things keep getting worse from lack of attention (see also, why so much infrastructure is falling apart in the US now).

Clearly defining the problem and developing concrete and integrated solutions (not just quick fixes, cosmetic band-aids, or "just up the funding") is a huge part of actually fixing things. Ironically, it's the sort of strategic problem solving that comes second nature to people who've had training in critical thinking ...which most people don't, because schools don't teach it.

A large part of most societal problems today stem from the fact that people complain about all the wrong things, and because of their lack of related knowledge (how many people are expert global economists?) demand all the wrong solutions. And are then distracted by politicians who have mastered giving you just enough to shut you up without actually doing anything difficult or meaningful.

It's all bread and circuses and sleight of hand. It's just that different people are distracted or placated by different things. And the politicians keep getting paid. Which is what their actual job is.

Is PotD finally starting to realize that Zeus posts and PO posts are indistinguishable

I can distinguish just fine