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g0ldie
10/18/22 7:12:20 PM
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if you're black, and a former felon, and a registered Democrat, at least:

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1582348121329524736

When police went to arrest Tony Patterson outside his Tampa home in August, he couldnt believe the reason.

What is wrong with this state, man? Patterson protested as he was being escorted to a police car in handcuffs. Voter fraud? Yall said anybody with a felony could vote, man.

Body-worn camera footage recorded by local police captured the confusion and outrage of Hillsborough County residents who found themselves in handcuffs for casting a ballot following investigations by Gov. Ron DeSantis new Office of Election Crimes and Security.

The Aug. 18 arrests conducted hours before DeSantis called a news conference to tout his crackdown on alleged voter fraud were carried out by state police officers accompanied by local law enforcement.

The never-before-seen footage, obtained by the Times/Herald through public records requests, offers a personal glimpse of the effects of DeSantis efforts to root out perceived voter fraud.

Theyre going to pay the price, DeSantis said during the news conference announcing the arrests.

Of the 19 people arrested, 12 were registered as Democrats and at least 13 are Black, the Times/Herald found.

Romona Oliver, 55, was about to leave for work when police walked up her driveway at 6:52 a.m. and told her they had a warrant for her arrest.

Oh my God, she said.

An officer told her she was being arrested for fraud, a third-degree felony, for voting illegally in 2020.

Voter fraud? she said. I voted, but I aint commit no fraud.

Oliver and 19 others are facing up to five years in prison after being accused by DeSantis and state police of both registering, and voting, illegally.

They are accused of violating a state law that doesnt allow people convicted of murder or felony sex offenses to automatically be able to vote after they complete their sentence. A 2018 state constitutional amendment that restored the right to vote to many felons excluded this group.

But, as the videos further support, the amendment and subsequent actions by state lawmakers caused mass confusion about who was eligible, and the states voter registration forms offer no clarity. They only require a potential voter to swear, under penalty of perjury, that theyre not a felon, or if they are, that their rights have been restored. The forms do not clarify that those with murder convictions dont get automatic restoration of their rights.

Oliver, who served 18 years in prison on a second-degree murder charge, registered to vote at the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles on Feb. 14, 2020. Six months later, she updated her address and completed another registration form.

After brief eligibility checks by the Department of State which reports to DeSantis and is responsible for cleaning the rolls of ineligible voters she was given a voter ID card both times.

Oliver wasnt removed from the rolls until March 30 this year, more than two years later.

The recordings by Tampa police and Hillsborough County sheriffs deputies reveal officers who were patient, understanding almost apologetic.

A handcuffed Nathan Hart, 49, found a sympathetic ear when he explained how he ended up registering and voting illegally, according to the sheriffs office recording.

As he stood handcuffed, he told officers that he signed up to vote at the encouragement of somebody at the drivers license place. Records show it was in March 2020.

I said, Im a convicted felon, Im pretty sure I cant, Hart, a registered sex offender, told officers. He goes, Well, are you still on probation?

Harts probation had ended a month earlier, Hart recalled. The person told him to sign up anyway.

He said, Well, just fill out this form, and if they let you vote, then you can, Hart said. If they dont, then you cant.

Then theres your defense, one of the officers replied. You know what Im saying? That sounds like a loophole to me.

Well, we can hope, Hart said.

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itachi15243
10/18/22 7:16:02 PM
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This is just fucked up

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g0ldie
10/19/22 12:11:47 AM
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bump

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Strider102
10/19/22 12:15:33 AM
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But how many Repub...

Oh...

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Kami_no_Kami
10/19/22 12:18:36 AM
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Remember a couple weeks ago when he kidnapped people? Anything come of that?

Im just kidding. Of course not.
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SiO4
10/19/22 12:19:21 AM
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itachi15243 posted...
This is just fucked up


Fucked up

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PMarth2002
10/19/22 12:24:07 AM
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And DeSantis continues to be a massive piece of shit. Hope florida comes to its senses and votes him out next election. And he faces charges for that bullshit he did to those immigrants awhile back.

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g0ldie
10/19/22 2:49:53 PM
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someone gave a breakdown on the Politics Board:

So basically, this is what happened.

- Florida passed an amendment saying convicted felons could vote after their sentence was over.

- DeSantis and other Republicans put in extra hoops for felons to jump through before they can actually vote.

- Felons trying to vote again did not get an explanation of what extra steps they needed.

- Felons who registered to vote were just given voter ID cards without any checks on whether they were actually eligible.

- When people tried to vote using the voter ID cards that Florida issued them, they were arrested for voter fraud.

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/19/22 2:50:42 PM
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It's so infuriating dealing with the half of the country that doesn't give a fuck what these assholes do

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SauI_Goodman
10/19/22 3:02:35 PM
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If youre a felon tho you shouldnt be allowed to vote, yes? So in that case hes doing the right thing. Unless felons can vote in florida.

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Unsuprised_Pika
10/19/22 3:03:01 PM
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Any officer who attempts to serve a warrant on someone for voting while a felon should be considered to be violently assaulting the "perp" and the victim should have near unlimited discretion and immunity in exercising self defense.

Don't fucking care if it's legal or not making felons unable to vote is an gross violation of human rights rooted in racism that further encourages an elite upper class as having more say in governance then everyone else via overcriminalization.

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DipDipDiver
10/19/22 3:03:27 PM
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In a general sense, it very much seems like it is the govt's job to verify that someone is eligible to vote before supplying them with voter registration credentials. It makes no sense to hold citizens criminally liable for knowing whether or not they are eligible
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/19/22 3:03:31 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
If youre a felon tho you shouldnt be allowed to vote, yes? So in that case hes doing the right thing. Unless felons can vote in florida.

They were ex-convicts who were told they were eligible to vote

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/19/22 3:07:04 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Any officer who attempts to serve a warrant on someone for voting while a felon should be considered to be violently assaulting the "perp" and the victim should have near unlimited discretion and immunity in exercising self defense.

Don't fucking care if it's legal or not making felons unable to vote is an gross violation of human rights rooted in racism that further encourages an elite upper class as having more say in governance then everyone else via overcriminalization.

Also this

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masterpug53
10/19/22 3:07:09 PM
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PMarth2002 posted...
And DeSantis continues to be a massive piece of shit. Hope florida comes to its senses and votes him out next election. And he faces charges for that bullshit he did to those immigrants awhile back.

I'm worried that Hurricane Ian just handed him the election. And it might just be the region I'm in, but I haven't seen a single pro-Charlie Crist ad on tv / the internet since he got the nom.

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DipDipDiver
10/19/22 3:07:36 PM
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There's really no reason an ex-con shouldn't be allowed to vote tbh, and tacking on exceptions for specific crimes just seems petty and unnecessary
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mybbqrules
10/19/22 3:22:36 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
If youre a felon tho you shouldnt be allowed to vote, yes? So in that case hes doing the right thing. Unless felons can vote in florida.
Tell me you didn't pay attention to the topic without telling me you didn't pay attention to the topic.

But of course, you're a chud anyways, so you agree with this regardless.

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ZMythos
10/19/22 3:25:40 PM
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Prisoners and felons should have the right to vote.

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Questionmarktarius
10/19/22 3:28:46 PM
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- Felons who registered to vote were just given voter ID cards without any checks on whether they were actually eligible.
There's your defense.
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SauI_Goodman
10/19/22 3:30:07 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
Tell me you didn't pay attention to the topic without telling me you didn't pay attention to the topic.

But of course, you're a chud anyways, so you agree with this regardless.
Whatever you say, doofy.

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SauI_Goodman
10/19/22 3:31:03 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
There's your defense.
And idiots throw around the "hurr hurr tell mez you didntz payz attenshun" schtick.

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Questionmarktarius
10/19/22 3:31:29 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
And idiots throw around the "hurr hurr tell mez you didntz payz attenshun" schtick.
whut
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ZMythos
10/19/22 3:32:20 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
whut
he didntz payz attenshun

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MixedRaceBaby
10/19/22 3:32:35 PM
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someone post the damn bugs bunny gif!

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lolife67
10/19/22 3:33:20 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
There's your defense.
Yes but the damage is already done. This is another way to disenfranchise potential voters.
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masterpug53
10/19/22 3:33:49 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
If youre a felon tho you shouldnt be allowed to vote, yes? So in that case hes doing the right thing. Unless felons can vote in florida.

Here we have a user named Saul_Goodman who can't read and doesn't understand the law.

Next up we have a user named Eddie_Munson who loves basketball, hates tabletop RPGs, and has never touched a guitar in his life.

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Prestoff
10/19/22 3:39:41 PM
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ZMythos posted...
he didntz payz attenshun

Lol

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RchHomieQuanChi
10/19/22 3:42:10 PM
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I like how he gets called out for being dead wrong and then just doubles down on it

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Mibahlzitch
10/19/22 3:42:22 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
If youre a felon tho you shouldnt be allowed to vote, yes? So in that case hes doing the right thing. Unless felons can vote in florida.
You claim to know Italian French and German but do you know enough English to post in this topic if you're still asking that? Try reading the article or the summary in post 8.

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A_Good_Boy
10/19/22 3:46:38 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
If youre a felon tho you shouldnt be allowed to vote, yes? So in that case hes doing the right thing. Unless felons can vote in florida.
It's kinda fucked up that a felon can be cleared to vote by the state, cast a vote under the assumption that the state declared them as eligible, then turn around and arrest them for voter fraud despite the fact that they allowed them to vote in the first place. The state shouldn't be tricking people into breaking the law. It's pretty fucked that the onus for knowing the law is greater on the citizen than it is on the state itself.

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mybbqrules
10/19/22 4:00:08 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
whut
He's butthurt. See my post about him.

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kingdrake2
10/19/22 4:06:43 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
The state shouldn't be tricking people into breaking the law


they'll learn after the first time then fall in line (desantis).

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LotsOfHorror
10/19/22 4:08:49 PM
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Remember, if you see something like this, you have every moral and legal right to step in and get the police to back the fuck off the victim.
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omega_cookie
10/19/22 4:16:03 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Any officer who attempts to serve a warrant on someone for voting while a felon should be considered to be violently assaulting the "perp" and the victim should have near unlimited discretion and immunity in exercising self defense.
You need professional help.

LotsOfHorror posted...
Remember, if you see something like this, you have every moral and legal right to step in and get the police to back the fuck off the victim.
You people really have no connection to reality, do you?


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Jiek_Fafn
10/19/22 4:17:11 PM
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By this logic, shouldn't the person that okay'd the registration also be convicted of voter fraud?

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josiskrazy
10/19/22 4:19:08 PM
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I wish people would throw rocks at him whenever they see him. I fucking despise this guy.

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Unsuprised_Pika
10/19/22 5:00:41 PM
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omega_cookie posted...
You need professional help.

You people really have no connection to reality, do you?

I don't WANT them harmed. But people should have every right to use force to resist grossly unjust arrests.

Police have more rights then civilians but with less consequences for their actions.

And you can't even say "Just vote to get the law changed" if you legally can't vote anymore."


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Heineken14
10/19/22 5:03:12 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It's so infuriating dealing with the half of the country that doesn't give a fuck what these assholes do


It's even worse, because a lot of them don't just "don't give a fuck" but actively encourage this. It's fucking gross.

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omega_cookie
10/19/22 5:14:28 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
But people should have every right to use force to resist grossly unjust arrests.
No. That is what the courts are for. You're just advocating a whole bunch of people gaining a few new air holes by violently attacking people who have a propensity for shooting people for any reason.

But I suppose the cops can't serve warrants for unconstitutional crimes if they blow them away, so... You win, I guess?

And that's putting aside the fact that cops don't issue warrants, and in a situation like this would receive said warrant and be instructed to locate and arrest you, meaning you're attacking someone who is fulfilling a legally issued warrant for a crime that is, as of now, completely legal. Also, if you attack a cop now and that law later gets ruled unconstitutional, you still go to prison. If you're not in the forever box, that is.

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kyujo
10/19/22 6:57:39 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
By this logic, shouldn't the person that okay'd the registration also be convicted of voter fraud?

that I'd like to see

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Trumble
10/19/22 7:00:26 PM
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DipDipDiver posted...
In a general sense, it very much seems like it is the govt's job to verify that someone is eligible to vote before supplying them with voter registration credentials. It makes no sense to hold citizens criminally liable for knowing whether or not they are eligible
This tbh. Don't have particularly strong feelings on whether felons should be able to vote or not, but geez, make it clear to individuals whether they have that right or not, rather than... this.

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Oneform
10/19/22 7:03:05 PM
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Think we are all aware that voter fraud is something that doesn't exist in America.

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Questionmarktarius
10/19/22 7:17:03 PM
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Oneform posted...
Think we are all aware that voter fraud is something that doesn't exist in America.
It does, but it's overall statistically insignificant.
Here's a huge-ass overly-publicized crackdown across an entire state, and it got... nineteen people.
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Gwynevere
10/19/22 7:22:36 PM
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Best I can say without getting modded is I hope DeSantis steps in shit everywhere he goes for the rest of his life

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The_shibe
10/19/22 7:27:41 PM
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he is like a more efficient version of trump. scary.

SauI_Goodman posted...
If youre a felon tho you shouldnt be allowed to vote, yes? So in that case hes doing the right thing. Unless felons can vote in florida.

TIL only black people who voted democrat are felons.

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Robot2600
10/19/22 7:29:02 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
Best I can say without getting modded is I hope DeSantis steps in shit everywhere he goes for the rest of his life

one cannot simultaneously be made of, and step in, shit

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Heineken14
10/19/22 9:27:27 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...

It does, but it's overall statistically insignificant.
Here's a huge-ass overly-publicized crackdown across an entire state, and it got... nineteen people.


And was deliberately set up to try and get people to begin with.

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Questionmarktarius
10/19/22 9:43:19 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
And was deliberately set up to try and get people to begin with.
yet still only got nineteen, despite obvious entrapment.
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LightHawKnight
10/19/22 10:02:47 PM
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Dont get how any of this is legal.

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Questionmarktarius
10/19/22 10:04:33 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Dont get how any of this is legal.
If the fuckup happened in the registration office, and it looks like that's what actually happened, probably all nineteen are getting dismissed.
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