Current Events > Nintendo officially endorses cheating.

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Screen watching is not now, nor has it ever been, cheating.

Don't whine about being unable to follow multiple screens at once, scrubs.

Always watch the other screens

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Those are the old rules, back when Nintendo used to be wild

Not cheating if the opponent can freely do it too.

This reminds me of people who say you should be banned if you watch someone stream a multiplayer game you're in and and use that information to your advantag.e

I exclusively watch the other players screen while playing my own. I always know what I am doing, its the rest of you I'm never sure about.

Philip027 posted...

Not cheating if the opponent can freely do it too.

This. Its so strange how people consider it cheating.

Nintendo has always endorsed cheating. You know why Princess Peach kept going to all those other castles? She was getting that chad King Koopa dick.

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You watch other people's screens to get a tactical advantage.

I watch other people's screens because I fucked up knowing which one is mine and I'm driving into the corner while trying to control someone else entirely.

We are not the same.

Questionmarktarius posted...

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Halo supported LAN play, they could have just got another TV and Xbox if they didn't want Screen Watching...

Philip027 posted...

Not cheating if the opponent can freely do it too.

Lol??!?!!??

ApherosyLove posted...

Lol??!?!!??

I mean he's not wrong

Homeless_Waifu posted...

I mean he's not wrong

I think it's more of the requisite of a screen being something you are almost always looking at the whole thing. It's part of the experience. Like just because someone else can do it too doesn't make it not cheating. It being built into the does though. Pretty much everyone could chear at any game, but that's not a feature of the game the way split screen is.

There was a game where everyone was invisible and the entire point was to look at everyone else's screen to figure out where to shoot (and shooting was visible so missed shots were a big problem).

K181 posted...

Screen watching is not now, nor has it ever been, cheating.

The only time it's cheating is, in my opinion, an FPS game. Like, obviously the split screen was a compromise of the times, and you aren't actually meant to know where your opponent is in an FPS with radar turned off.

ellis123 posted...

There was a game where everyone was invisible and the entire point was to look at everyone else's screen to figure out where to shoot (and shooting was visible so missed shots were a big problem).

I remember that game. I forget what it was called, but I wanted to try it.

Also there was that sniper dude in Metroid Prime Hunters. His (her?) special ability was when he was using the laser sniper rifle thing, he would turn invisible if he stood still for a while. But the shot was a long red laser which meant you pretty much had to run after a single shot since it gave away your location.

Ah, back when split-screen multiplayer was a thing

Good times

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

The only time it's cheating is, in my opinion, an FPS game. Like, obviously the split screen was a compromise of the times, and you aren't actually meant to know where your opponent is in an FPS with radar turned off.

Nope. The information is all right there. Not seeing what's on the screen is as inane of an expectation as not betting accordingly if your opponent in poker is freely showing their hand.

As a pc gamer in the 90s, I never could get into spilt screen console multi-player. I played golden eye at a cousins house and thought it was shit cause of the split screen. I just can't get into a game whwn it's split screen, unless it's co op. But if you are fighting ea h other, you need your own screen

K181 posted...

The information is all right there

It's a matter of honor. This is why house rules exist. In my house, screen-watching was considered cheating in GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Red Faction, Halo, etc.

Strategy

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's a matter of honor. This is why house rules exist. In my house, screen-watching was considered cheating in GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Red Faction, Halo, etc.

Lame house rules exist.

You better believe that the games were tested and balanced with screen watching in mind.

K181 posted...

You better believe that the games were tested and balanced with screen watching in mind.

And that people can make their own rules, and those rules will be followed or else you will be shunned and shamed.

ellis123 posted...

There was a game where everyone was invisible and the entire point was to look at everyone else's screen to figure out where to shoot (and shooting was visible so missed shots were a big problem).

YugiNoob posted...

I remember that game. I forget what it was called, but I wanted to try it.

Screencheat

It's kinda hard to *not* screenpeak. Peripheral vision exists and good level design ironically means that you'll have a good idea of where people are if you notice a landmark.

I never went out of my way to do it, but if I get that information I'm not going to *not* use it >_>

I hear in sports you're not allowed to watch what the other team is doing and you just got cover your eyes. It's cheating if you use information available to everyone after all.

Personally I find it more fun to have to have an ongoing awareness of my surroundings and the ability to set up/have to defend against sneak attacks rather than just looking at my opponents screen and making a bee-line to them.

But then, I'm not shit at video games.

K181 posted...

Nope. The information is all right there. Not seeing what's on the screen is as inane of an expectation as not betting accordingly if your opponent in poker is freely showing their hand.

Or just set up mirrors to look at the other players hands. I mean, it's not cheating because they're free to set up mirrors too.

We had a Bejeweled clone once that I found a surprising mechanic in, and my wife called it cheating. Basically, when you switch two things, it'll animate it, and if it doesn't make 3 in a row, it animates them going back where they came from. If you do another switch during the animation, it will consider both switches when looking for 3 in a row. So you could make three Os in a column by switching the Os into the middle in rows 2 and 3 below (Xs are garbage things) if you do it fast enough.

XOX

OXX

XXO

Was I cheating?

ArchNemo posted...

Or just set up mirrors to look at the other players hands. I mean, it's not cheating because they're free to set up mirrors too.

Yes, because an elaborate setup is totally comparable to looking at a different part of the screen that you (and your opponents) are already looking at.

Philip027 posted...

Not cheating if the opponent can freely do it too.

That's a good point. It's not really cheating if all players can do it.

Questionmarktarius posted...

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I'm fucking dying

Great topic

gigageek1500 posted...

We had a Bejeweled clone once that I found a surprising mechanic in, and my wife called it cheating. Basically, when you switch two things, it'll animate it, and if it doesn't make 3 in a row, it animates them going back where they came from. If you do another switch during the animation, it will consider both switches when looking for 3 in a row. So you could make three Os in a column by switching the Os into the middle in rows 2 and 3 below (Xs are garbage things) if you do it fast enough.

XOX

OXX

XXO

Was I cheating?

You were certainly violating the spirit of the game, but I'd argue there's a difference between using a cheesy strategy in a single player game and cheating in a multi-player game.

I mean the idea that if both players can do something it's not cheating is ridiculous and basically makes any game ever completely arbitrary. I'm just gonna start using my hands in soccer from now on. It's not cheating because the other players can use their hands if they want too.

Regardless, screen watching takes out any form of thought or strategy in a game when you can just beeline to your enemy. What's the point of working to get the drop on an enemy when they can just suddenly do a 180 and kill you because they looked at where you were?

ArchNemo posted...

I mean the idea that if both players can do something it's not cheating is ridiculous and basically makes any game ever completely arbitrary. I'm just gonna start using my hands in soccer from now on. It's not cheating because the other players can use their hands if they want too.

Regardless, screen watching takes out any form of thought or strategy in a game when you can just beeline to your enemy. What's the point of working to get the drop on an enemy when they can just suddenly do a 180 and kill you because they looked at where you were?

hard agree

I screen peek like mad when throwing green shells backwards.

if you have to go out of your way to not do it, it ain't cheating

gigageek1500 posted...

We had a Bejeweled clone once that I found a surprising mechanic in, and my wife called it cheating. Basically, when you switch two things, it'll animate it, and if it doesn't make 3 in a row, it animates them going back where they came from. If you do another switch during the animation, it will consider both switches when looking for 3 in a row. So you could make three Os in a column by switching the Os into the middle in rows 2 and 3 below (Xs are garbage things) if you do it fast enough.

XOX

OXX

XXO

Was I cheating?

If I understand what youre saying, I dont think you were cheating at all. Reminds of me Pokemon Trozei or something. You get three in a row to start to get a match, but if you move quick enough, you can add to it and make it 4 or 5.

gigageek1500 posted...

We had a Bejeweled clone once that I found a surprising mechanic in, and my wife called it cheating. Basically, when you switch two things, it'll animate it, and if it doesn't make 3 in a row, it animates them going back where they came from. If you do another switch during the animation, it will consider both switches when looking for 3 in a row. So you could make three Os in a column by switching the Os into the middle in rows 2 and 3 below (Xs are garbage things) if you do it fast enough.

XOX

OXX

XXO

Was I cheating?

Either that was designed to let you do that on purpose, or in an era of gazillions of Bejeweled clones they somehow managed to fuck up something really basic in theirs. Either way, fair game, imo.

I have a hard time calling something a cheat if it's something you can easily do by accident just trying to play the game normally. That's a programming fault (if not intentional), not a player fault -- it's the sort of thing that should have been ironed out with just the slightest effort put into game testing.

Michael_Booth posted...

Halo supported LAN play, they could have just got another TV and Xbox if they didn't want Screen Watching...

We did this with a flattened cardboard box

K181 posted...

Screen watching is not now, nor has it ever been, cheating.

Don't whine about being unable to follow multiple screens at once, scrubs.

Lol lighten up.

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Lol lighten up.

The topic is full of people accusing folks that look a few inches down on the TV screen cheating.

Nah. They need to get good and focus on 2-3 sections of the TV at once.

K181 posted...

The topic is full of people accusing folks that look a few inches down on the TV screen cheating.

Nah. They need to get good and focus on 2-3 sections of the TV at once.

Yeah, but yours was the second post before anyone else said anything.

This was obviously a joke topic. Everyone screen watches weather its intentional or not.

K181 posted...

The topic is full of people accusing folks that look a few inches down on the TV screen cheating.

Nah. They need to get good and focus on 2-3 sections of the TV at once.

"Get good and be able to cheat like me!"