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SpiritSephiroth
11/02/22 7:42:58 AM
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https://youtu.be/pcu8s-X-EqA

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Damn_Underscore
11/02/22 7:49:47 AM
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If Im watching a new anime I will watch the first episode with English and Japanese VA and see which one sounds better in my opinion

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Beveren_Rabbit
11/02/22 7:50:52 AM
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hur dur creator's original vision and not just what the creator could actually get due to limited sources and budget. If the creator could get voice actors that speak English, Russian, and Japanese well they could. Black Lagoon has disappointing subs/dubs since they couldn't get multilingual voice actors.

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VeggetaX
11/02/22 7:56:05 AM
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This isn't even exclusive to Japanese VA or Anime. Those English VA for those classic kung fu flicks were all god damn horrible.

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VeggetaX
11/02/22 10:48:32 AM
#55:


I'm sure you've all heard the YuGiOh dubs before so I dunno why you guys are even questioning this shit. LittleKuriboh came to fame and riches through making fun of the dub.

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Shabriri
11/02/22 10:55:17 AM
#56:


the first two yugioh dubs are great tho

4kids OG YGO is in the running fer greatest anime of all time

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The_Wheelman1
11/02/22 10:56:12 AM
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Its not about how language they speak. Its about how they sound and if that voice fits that character.

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VeggetaX
11/02/22 10:58:35 AM
#58:


The_Wheelman1 posted...
Its not about how language they speak. Its about how they sound and if that voice fits that character.
It's this and unfortunately a lot of casuals aren't able to judge this for themselves. What most dub lovers don't want to admit is that they were first exposed to the product via the awful dubs so that's what their used to and think nothing can be better. It's prolly why dub lovers think Chris Sabat is super talented.

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ssjevot
11/02/22 10:59:35 AM
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Not sure if I count since I live in Japan and use Japanese in my daily life at home and work (I only use English online and when talking to family back in America), but the average quality of voice acting in Japan is better. Mainly because the actors are paid a lot more, directors are present, they're practicing lines before the take, the other actors are also in the room, it's a much bigger deal, and big name voice actors are celebrities on TV shows and with popular YouTube channels. It's similar to how Hollywood actors are so good because the industry attracts the best talent, pays them well, and has amazing support staff that direct them. A lot of English voice actors are working for barely any money and can't be bothered to do much more than read lines in a booth because that's all they expect them to do anyway.

That said there are some talented English voice actors who are really giving it their best despite the poor shape of the industry.

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StarReaper13
11/02/22 11:01:39 AM
#60:


One complaint I hear about english dubs is the cringey dialogue, but recently I've heard people say that the japanese dub has the same/similar cringey shit, we just can't tell if we don't speak it.

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Shabriri
11/02/22 11:02:12 AM
#61:


StarReaper13 posted...
One complaint I hear about english dubs is the cringey dialogue, but recently I've heard people say that the japanese dub has the same/similar cringey shit, we just can't tell if we don't speak it.
that works to japanese dubs' favor imo

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Unite
11/02/22 12:02:46 PM
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Western va arent even half as dedicated as Japanese va.
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EightySixTwoTwo
11/02/22 7:00:15 PM
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Unite posted...
Western va arent even half as dedicated as Japanese va. Western va arent even anime /manga fans.

This is a myth. English VA sounds awkward in a Japanese context...because it is. There is a mannerism and way of speaking that looks completely off to people outside Japan. You are then stuck with English speakers imitating voice tones and modulations that were intended for a completely different language and culture but look and sound ridiculous in English. It reminds me of that time they dubbed a popular telenovela from Mexico in French...and it was so eerie and disconnected from the real thing, it was funny. It's not that the VA were doing a bad job; rather, it was that there is a ''color'' and a ''life'' to the Spanish language that is lost in translation.
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Stallion_Prime
11/02/22 7:02:39 PM
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Dedicated western voice acting is 30000 times better. They actually know how to display emotion other than yelling power ups. ( talking about shit written in english first)

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 7:03:52 PM
#65:


Honestly, cristina vee and matt mercer are no doubt bigger weebs than I am, lol. Matt mercer is both a anime/manga fan and a tabletop gaming enjoyer. He is an ascended nerd compared to the masses.

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Tom_Joad
11/02/22 7:04:15 PM
#66:


Here's a clip of an English dub that's pretty well done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_tMD5bTbLM

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VeggetaX
11/02/22 7:06:55 PM
#67:


English dubs can be done good for sure however knowing what's actually good is something people need to really understand.

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cuttin_in_farm
11/02/22 7:09:25 PM
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I think weebs often times forget overacting is a thing.

Jpn VAs often times have high energy, sure. But to me, the constant screaming sounds like overacting.

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NoxObscuras
11/02/22 7:19:25 PM
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I prefer to watch in Japanese because there can be a lot of dialogue that gets "lost in translation" when it gets localized. They remove jokes that they feel won't resonate with western audiences and a lot of lines are shortened or changed to make the audio match with the lip movements.

There are definitely some English VA's that really knock their performance out of the park though. Especially if it's an era where the characters have distinctive accents, like with Baccano and 91 Days.

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Oubliettes
11/02/22 7:20:35 PM
#70:


average dub fan defends shit like this, even in this topic lmao
https://youtu.be/J7XFrMODNEs

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 7:27:40 PM
#71:


Oubliettes posted...
average dub fan defends shit like this, even in this topic lmao
https://youtu.be/J7XFrMODNEs
Who in the fuck is defending RE1's voice acting. Learn to actually read, lol. All I ever brought up was that RE1 almost had japanese voice acting but that mikami himself said he thought their acting was crappy. Nowhere in this topic has anyone actually defended RE1's english voice acting like it was good......it was hot ass. (Ironically enough, mikami not understanding english is more than likely a huge factor in why he thought going with english voices was automatically a better deal than what they had).

*I am assuming this post is talking about my post since I was the only single person to even bring up resident evil in this topic*

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Oubliettes
11/02/22 7:36:49 PM
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Mad-Dogg posted...
Who in the fuck is defending RE1's voice acting. Learn to actually read, lol. All I ever brought up was that RE1 almost had japanese voice acting but that mikami himself said he thought their acting was crappy. Nowhere in this topic has anyone actually defended RE1's english voice acting like it was good......it was hot ass. (Ironically enough, mikami not understanding english is more than likely a huge factor in why he thought going with english voices was automatically a better deal than what they had).

*I am assuming this post is talking about my post since I was the only single person to even bring up resident evil in this topic*


why even bring it up then? lol if you wanna knock weebs for sub elitism try a series that didnt have a "hot ass" original english VA like dark souls or something

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Tyranthraxus
11/02/22 7:43:24 PM
#73:


Umbreon posted...
A lot of them are stuck in the 90s/early 00s where most dubs were genuinely inferior.

They never found out that companies eventually stated investing in VAs for dubs and thus the quality increased.

Yeah. The dubs for a lot of newer video games are actually really good.

Ironically, a lot of really old anime also has good dubbing (Macross/Robotech, Speed Racer, etc that kind of stuff)

It's specifically the 90s / early 2000s stuff that was dubbed like shit.

Also, and this may be a point of contention, but when it comes to singing skill, the quality is basically a complete toss up, sometimes the English is way better than the Japanese.

Here's a sample of what I'm talking about:

ENG:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_4kZuhg44w

JP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfTZ3mtbLBQ

I can't put my finger on it but the JP tone feels completely off.

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 7:47:58 PM
#74:


Oubliettes posted...
why even bring it up then? lol if you wanna knock weebs for sub elitism try a series that didnt have a "hot ass" original english VA like dark souls or something
Because I was never comparing a dub vs a sub in the first place genius, actually read my post again. The subject of my post was only talking about that small group of sub elitists who use the "I will only ever prefer the source of this game's voices" but the irony comes in when this group ignorantly does not realize that this japanese made game (or western made game that uses an anime aesthetic, which is why I used river city girls as an example) was originally created only having english voices. This same group is then caught between actually being true to their word or being a stupid japanophile that will swap to japanese voices regardless, thus being hypocrites.

Resident evil, devil may cry, kingdom hearts for example, all of these series was created only having english voices. (Kingdom hearts 1 did not get japanese voices until the final mix release. Square-enix then made the initial japanese release of kingdom hearts 2 with JP voices, and went right back to english only with KH2 final mix most likely from the japanese fans who prefer to play the game in it's original intended dub).

Its one thing if one wants to admit being a friggin' weeby deeby thus just wants to use japanese voices with every single game even if its a western made or japanese-made w/ english voices as the original one (or wants to like, watch a disney movie in japanese.....lol), but using the "I only use the source" argument and yet going against that is what grinds my gears, lol.

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super_felicia
11/02/22 7:53:25 PM
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No watch this
https://youtu.be/f1fMj0wFI7g

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Kim_Seong-a
11/02/22 7:54:37 PM
#76:


OudeGeuze posted...
how tf can you say with a straight face they "deliver more emotion"

The quantity and intensity of emotion is pretty easy to spot. Though, to be fair, since I don't know Japanese, I have no idea if that emotion is actually delivered well or if they're just being big goddam hams.

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Oubliettes
11/02/22 7:55:16 PM
#77:


thats like such a dumb "gotcha!" argument tho lmao
"what you thought was a shitty english dub was actually a shitty english original you fool!"
imma side with the weebs on that one homie, even if theyre technically wrong

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 8:05:41 PM
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Oubliettes posted...
thats like such a dumb "gotcha!" argument tho lmao
"what you thought was a shitty english dub was actually a shitty english original you fool!"
imma side with the weebs on that one homie, even if theyre technically wrong
Thats right, even if you completely misunderstood someone's post its gamefaqs god damn it, never admit to being wrong and most importantly never back down. Follow it up, try for one last hail mary and still making oneself out to be a fool, lmao.

"Technically being a hypocrite, but not really doe!" =/

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Oubliettes
11/02/22 8:10:35 PM
#79:


Mad-Dogg posted...
Thats right, even if you completely misunderstood someone's post its gamefaqs god damn it, never admit to being wrong and most importantly never back down. Follow it up, try for one last hail mary and still making oneself out to be a fool, lmao.

"Technically being a hypocrite, but not really doe!" =/

hypocrite about what lol

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 8:12:28 PM
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Oubliettes posted...
hypocrite about what lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0-coASIjkQ

Walk around in circles to my original post again. Take your time, lol.

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Oubliettes
11/02/22 8:12:39 PM
#82:


flintstones sounded better in the original japanese VO

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 8:19:02 PM
#83:


Oubliettes posted...
flintstones sounded better in the original japanese VO
https://i.imgur.com/CQ5YYWf.gifv

The original seiyu was obviously not passionate about the job thus the american dub is better overall. The original japanese seiyus ain't even fans of american culture so how can they even grasp the intricacies of 1960s american caveman culture? Pshh, dudes didn't even play pong in the 70s.

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Shabriri
11/02/22 8:19:52 PM
#84:


what is even the argument anymore

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Oubliettes
11/02/22 8:20:12 PM
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ugh i can hear them clapping in english

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Oubliettes
11/02/22 8:20:53 PM
#86:


Shabriri posted...
what is even the argument anymore

nothing im just drunk and its fun to argue about stupid things even when im rwong

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 8:21:49 PM
#87:


*Seriously though, I never had a argument in the first place. My on-off post was ranting about SSJ3 level japanophiles and them doing stupid worshiping the japanese language/culture shit like wanting to watch back to the future or its always sunny in philadelphia in japanese or somethin*

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Tappor
11/02/22 8:27:07 PM
#88:


watch ghost stories

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Tyranthraxus
11/02/22 8:29:01 PM
#89:


Mad-Dogg posted...
*Seriously though, I never had a argument in the first place. My on-off post was ranting about SSJ3 level japanophiles and them doing stupid worshiping the japanese language/culture shit like wanting to watch back to the future or its always sunny in philadelphia in japanese or somethin*

(Vocalized !?!)

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 8:30:54 PM
#90:


lmfao

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Kim_Seong-a
11/02/22 8:41:23 PM
#91:


Mad-Dogg posted...
like wanting to watch back to the future or its always sunny in philadelphia in japanese or somethin*

The Japanese va for Gina from Brooklyn 99 has the hottest voice <_<


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Stallion_Prime
11/02/22 8:48:07 PM
#92:


Oubliettes posted...
flintstones sounded better in the original japanese VO
Fuck off

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Letsago
11/02/22 8:53:41 PM
#93:


Mad-Dogg posted...
I have read posts here and there with some of these nerds bashing the english voices for games like devil may cry, resident evil, and even kingdom hearts of all series despite all these series originally only having english voices to begin with, so the "original version is superior" argument goes right out the window since these people just cannot help being hardcore japanophiles.

Wait, Kingdom Hearts was done in English first? I've never heard this before.

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Oubliettes
11/02/22 8:56:53 PM
#94:


Stallion_Prime posted...
Fuck off

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Mad-Dogg
11/02/22 9:03:05 PM
#95:


Letsago posted...
Wait, Kingdom Hearts was done in English first? I've never heard this before.
You know what. I actually did get this one mixed up. KH1 in japan originally had JP voices but was replaced in english with the final mix release.

That one is my bad.

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OudeGeuze
11/02/22 10:11:50 PM
#96:


Oubliettes posted...
flintstones sounded better in the original japanese VO
godly post
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