Current Events > Hasbro is charging $999 for MTG 30th Anniversary box with 4 packs.

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Hasbro shitting up MTG since they acquired MTG from WotC.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04

What a steal!

Don't forget they're not even real black-bordered cards, so you'd only be able to use them in unsanctioned games.

DirkDiggles posted...

Hasbro shitting up MTG since they acquired MTG from WotC.

this happened in 1999. well, it didn't actually happen at all, they bought WotC completely.

not to excuse the last 5 years at all, because it's been awful. but it's not Hasbro itself that's the problem, but the people they've put in charge recently.

Wow, MTG wins re-election one time and the world goes to shit

MJOLNRVII posted...

Don't forget they're not even real black-bordered cards, so you'd only be able to use them in unsanctioned games.

so glad i quit playing magic in 2016 or so.

MJOLNRVII posted...

Don't forget they're not even real black-bordered cards, so you'd only be able to use them in unsanctioned games.

How are they fake black border cards? I'm lost

well-excuse-me posted...

How are they fake black border cards? I'm lost

the backs are different. you can see them in the link.

oh that? it's fine you just have to have them in sleeves and you can still use them :P the back of the card doesnt matter.

well-excuse-me posted...

How are they fake black border cards? I'm lost

They aren't legal cards: they are proxies. You can use them in games in roughly the same capacity as running normal playing cards or cards that you have sharpied the name of different cards onto.

Robot2600 posted...

oh that? it's fine you just have to have them in sleeves and you can still use them :P the back of the card doesnt matter.

Not if you play real formats and not just edh

Robot2600 posted...

oh that? it's fine you just have to have them in sleeves and you can still use them :P the back of the card doesnt matter.

only so long as your opponent agrees and you're not in an event. then it matters more than anything.

holy shit im wrong

"These collectible cards are not tournament legal. They have a different back and are not legal in any sanctioned Magic event."

what in the fucking shit. they should be selling that for like 20 bucks.

fuck magic, it's why i switched to chess, go, and FPS for competition (recently retired from FPS too)

MJOLNRVII posted...

Don't forget they're not even real black-bordered cards, so you'd only be able to use them in unsanctioned games.

Yeah, this kills it. Granted I haven't played MTG in close to 20 years, but who'd honestly want to pay a grand for reprints that won't hold a candle to the originals' value and you can't even use? Can't imagine there a big market for people who are that desperate to hold a Black Lotus in their hands.

the best comparison to these would be the world champs decks from ~20 years ago. (though these don't have the gold borders) some commander playgroups are cool with those. many kitchen table players are, too. but who wants First Edition cards in those formats? 80% of that set was complete trash compared to newer cards, 15% was so OP that your opponents will hate you, and 4 of the last 5% has a $5 or less reprint.

what in the fuck am i supposed to do with a lightning bolt proxy

masterpug53 posted...

Yeah, this kills it. Granted I haven't played MTG in close to 20 years, but who'd honestly want to pay a grand for reprints that won't hold a candle to the originals' value and you can't even use? Can't imagine there a big market for people who are that desperate to hold a Black Lotus in their hands.

That is why the price is so absurd: it basically "forces" the big-name cards to be expensive if the set gets even the tiniest bit of people going for it. Like, a proxy Black Lotus can't be $5 if the packs are insanely expensive. It's their way of giving people a very hard middle finger. It has even got the funk where some of the proxies are being valued by sellers on eBay higher than their normal counterparts (though obviously the sellers are not going to get quite as many bites as they'd like until they lower the prices).

my favorite part of all of this bullshit is that they gave out free sets of these to a bunch of celebrities... who could actually afford the absurd price tag in the first place.

Hasbro got a new president not too long ago and has been trying to tap into the high end collectables market, while still offering the same cheap products.

MJOLNRVII posted...

Don't forget they're not even real black-bordered cards, so you'd only be able to use them in unsanctioned games.

I get they don't want to de-value the OG cards, but this is ridiculous on top of already paying a huge premium pricing. This is the most blatant scam I see, but sadly the whales will probably still buy them up.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/2/2/AAam6dAAD5E-.jpg

This is what $1000 gets you. LOL

they really let the grad students design this one

I see. Yeah, I doubt they'd let a black lotus et. al suddenly be allowed in sanctioned tournaments. So this msrp should be.........$25

Lol Its not even tourney legal. What a ripoff.

well-excuse-me posted...

I see. Yeah, I doubt they'd let a black lotus et. al suddenly be allowed in sanctioned tournaments. So this msrp should be.........$25

Eternal Weekend will be occuring later this month in Asia and in December for North America will have sanctioned paper vintage where Black Lotus is legal

wotc can eat a raw onion

FaultyCircuitry posted...

Eternal Weekend will be occuring later this month in Asia and in December for North America will have sanctioned paper vintage where Black Lotus is legal

What % of tournaments are this type?

Robot2600 posted...

what in the fuck am i supposed to do with a lightning bolt proxy

Sincerely just for collection (and why would we pay so much for this?) or if you have a group thats cool with proxies. THATS IT. This is so beyond greedy and disrespectful to players.

not everything met our modern standards

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/9/AAEhCpAAD5ID.jpg

...i don't get it.

well-excuse-me posted...

What % of tournaments are this type?

Very very few, but Eternal Weekend is basically the most important legacy and vintage event every year. (Since SCG has nearly abandoned legacy.)

This is one those expensive things you can't even flex. Because you immediately just come off as a sucker. Tbf, I think that about jewelry and high end clothes brands too. So, my perception doesn't really mean shit in the grand scheme. Emphasis on "scheme".

Lol so is this why Bank of America says Hasbro is ruining MTG?

Seaman_Prime posted...

Lol so is this why Bank of America says Hasbro is ruining MTG?

nope. they don't want the game to go back to the way it used to be before the executive meddling. they want the game to lean even harder into the whales. make even the standard sets limited editions, not just the special sets and promos.

Questionmarktarius posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/1/9/AAEhCpAAD5ID.jpg

...i don't get it.

The only thing I can think of is that it's probably "abelist".

This topic inspired me to make the mistake of looking up a price guide of old cards, and it was just another painful reminder that, even though I got into MTG in the mid-90's, I still got in too late. Every set that was just before my time has increased 10-100 times in value, while every set I owned has not budged a fucking inch in value in the last 20 years, lol. If I'd really wanted to back in the day, I could've forked over 300 bucks for a Black Lotus, 200 for a Juzam Djinn, etc.

masterpug53 posted...

This topic inspired me to make the mistake of looking up a price guide of old cards, and it was just another painful reminder that, even though I got into MTG in the mid-90's, I still got in too late. Every set that was just before my time has increased 10-100 times in value, while every set I owned has not budged a fucking inch in value in the last 20 years, lol. If I'd really wanted to back in the day, I could've forked over 300 bucks for a Black Lotus, 200 for a Juzam Djinn, etc.

i was right there, too, and that's just not true. plenty of cards from 95-01 have done just fine.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=game%3Apaper+year%3E1994+year%3C2002&order=usd&as=checklist&unique=prints

i remember buying plenty of those multiple hundred dollar cards for $10-$20. selling them, too, supersadface.

make a gen 4 mlp game you greedy motherfuckers i'd buy it

Medussa posted...

i was right there, too, and that's just not true. plenty of cards from 95-01 have done just fine.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=game%3Apaper+year%3E1994+year%3C2002&order=usd&as=checklist&unique=prints

Because those are reserved list cards or foils which were very hard to get back then or Portal cards which had a VERY small print run. From the modern era on, nothing has past the 200 mark (cards like Jace), but still got reprinted. I believe its a game first and foremost and access to cards shouldnt be impossible to most. That said, there was a fine balance til recently with all these borderless, showcase variants that have plummeted the price of everything and now nothing is special anymore.

Medussa posted...

i was right there, too, and that's just not true. plenty of cards from 95-01 have done just fine.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=game%3Apaper+year%3E1994+year%3C2002&order=usd&as=checklist&unique=prints

i remember buying plenty of those multiple hundred dollar cards for $10-$20. selling them, too, supersadface.

When basic lands are worth $80, I'm expecting a crash.
I should sell my Tabernacle before the market crashes.

Questionmarktarius posted...

When basic lands are worth $80, I'm expecting a crash.
I should sell my Tabernacle before the market crashes.

Those are relatively rare promo basics that are in short supply and with desirable art.

That's kind of a stupid thing to think a market crash is coming due to.

Shit, the Guru basics all command several hundred with island being about $1000

FaultyCircuitry posted...

That's kind of a stupid thing to think a market crash is coming due to.

BoA seems to think so, and bean-counters over there are way smarter than the rest of us.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Because those are reserved list cards or foils which were very hard to get back then or Portal cards which had a VERY small print run. From the modern era on, nothing has past the 200 mark

but pug wasn't talking about the modern era, he was talking about the era i listed. and those cards have gone up. and not just the reserved list ones, though admittedly those have done better than most. Enlightened tutor was a $2 uncommon, got a reprint, and is still pushing $40. there are plenty of other examples.

Questionmarktarius posted...

When basic lands are worth $80, I'm expecting a crash.
I should sell my Tabernacle before the market crashes.

well, those are some unique arts with some incredibly small print runs, and never available in boosters. they're not a great metric.

Tabernacle is on the reserved list, so it's probably safe so long as anyone still collects the game. though it's definitely expensive enough to consider moving it just because.

Questionmarktarius posted...

BoA seems to think so, and bean-counters over there are way smarter than the rest of us.

Their reasoning has nothing to do with old promo basics land cards being expensive tho

If anything, a promo Plains being $80+ is pretty much proof that the Reserve List is serving no useful purpose.
It's as if the $999 price point was set before someone panicked and change the card-backs.

Questionmarktarius posted...

BoA seems to think so, and bean-counters over there are way smarter than the rest of us.

boa wants hasbro to cut the print run of sets like brothers' war by 75% so that the whales will pay a premium on those sets, too, and not just the secret lair or masters bullshit.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If anything, a promo Plains being $80+ is pretty much proof that the Reserve List is serving no useful purpose.
It's as if the $999 price point was set before someone panicked and change the card-backs.

The RL serves no useful purpose because old cards with limited print runs will always command high prices.

Even if the ABUR duals got printed in a secret lair, alpha, beta and unlimited would hold firm or go up.

Revised might get hit hard, but no collectors want revised duals.

Medussa posted...

boa wants hasbro to cut the print run of sets like brothers' war by 75% so that the whales will pay a premium on those sets, too

The set is just bad. All that would do is avoid the inevitable "Atari landfill"

Medussa posted...

i was right there, too, and that's just not true. plenty of cards from 95-01 have done just fine.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=game%3Apaper+year%3E1994+year%3C2002&order=usd&as=checklist&unique=prints

i remember buying plenty of those multiple hundred dollar cards for $10-$20. selling them, too, supersadface.

Huh, well, show's what I know, thanks for the info! Most of those look like foils / promos, but I might have hung on to a couple Mirage and Urza's cards on that list in the $200 range, which is a nice surprise.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If anything, a promo Plains being $80+ is pretty much proof that the Reserve List is serving no useful purpose.
It's as if the $999 price point was set before someone panicked and change the card-backs.

the reserved list has literally nothing to do with that card being worth money. they could print a billion copies of it tomorrow if they wanted to. edit: wait, i think i get your point here. that cards will be worth value even without RL protection. yeah, i agree with that 100%, as do a ton of retailers. but they're committed to the RL promise, and publicly so, so it's not ever going away without a huge mess.

the card backs being different was literally a day one decision, because the reserved list forced it. the product literally couldn't exist otherwise, without them dumpstering the RL first. which they've said for literally 15 years that they aren't going to ever do. the losses from the lawsuits would be 10 times what they'd stand to make from selling the product.