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https://thedirect.com/article/chris-hemsworth-quentin-tarantino-movie-stardom-marvel

Part of the Marvel-ization of Hollywood isyou have all these actors who have become famous playing these characters. But theyre not movie stars. Right? Captain America is the star. Or Thor is the star. I mean, Im not the first person to say that. I think thats been said a zillion timesbut its like, you know, its these franchise characters that become a star. Im not even putting them down frankly, to tell you the truth. But that is one of the the legacy of the Marvel-ization of Hollywood movies.

Look, I used to collect Marvel comics like crazy when I was a kid. Theres an aspect that if these movies were coming out when I was in my twenties, I would totally be fucking happy and totally love them. I mean, they wouldnt be the only movies being made. They would be those movies amongst other movies. But, you know, Im almost 60, so yeah. No, Im not quite as excited about them.

My only axe to grind against them is theyre the only things that seem to be made, he added. And theyre the only things that seem to generate any kind of excitement amongst a fan base or even for the studio making them. Thats what theyre excited about. And so its just the fact that they are the entire representation of this era of movies right now. Theres not really much room for anything else. Thats my problem.

@blue_inigo dude he's saying that IP is what draws people to the movies instead of movie stars. he probably thinks creed being a rocky adaptation was more important to its financial success than michael b jordan being in the movie. wtf!!! any thoughts on this bro?

You're about two weeks late on this.

Tarantino hasn't made a good film in a decade

MCU: dead since 2008

I don't go watch a movie because someone specifically is in it. If the movie looks interesting I'll watch it. I don't give a fuck who is in it.

RDJ is a household name because Marvel?

Questionmarktarius posted...

RDJ is a household name because Marvel?

Yes, absolutely

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being famous isn't the same thing as being a movie star btw

Tentin Quarantino

My issue with the Marvel cinematic universe is it's the only thing that gets made nowadays. I go to movies to forget that an actor is in the movie. I had no idea that it was Tom Hanks in Elvis. I don't want to go to a movie to watch an actor play a character; I go to watch a character. I don't care about the actor. Ford vs Ferrari was brilliant like that.

I stopped caring about the Marvel cinematic universe after Endgame. Just don't care about it. Time to find another Cash cow, Hollywood.

Questionmarktarius posted...

RDJ is a household name because Marvel?

these people are lost causes probably

He's mad you can't make movies out of rape scenes, castration, and offensive slurs anymore. He doesn't know any other tricks, so he has nothing to sell.

The main criticism of MCU should be that pretty much every movie has the same formula and is extremely predictable.

FortuneCookie posted...

He's mad you can't make movies out of rape scenes, castration, and offensive slurs anymore. He doesn't know any other tricks, so he has nothing to sell.

Jesus Christ

I have a hard time fathoming why a big-name auteur whose artistic influences are perpetually looking 20+ years backwards would lament the decline of 'star power.'

Zithers posted...

being famous isn't the same thing as being a movie star btw

That's exactly what it means. It means being famous enough that you as an actor mean more than the roles you're playing.

And Tarantino saying that just makes him seem out of touch because it implies people like Chris Evans, Chris Pratt, Chris Hemsworth, RDJ are not all huge names.

I watched the interview and i agreed with him. They are taking less chances with movies and just popping out the meh comic money makers

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an actor who has such a commanding screen presence and persona that you know who their character is and what they're all about the moment they step on screen even when its a brand new original film.

denzel washington, tom cruise, john wayne, humphrey bogart, bette davis, elizabeth taylor, james dean, jimmy stewart, toshiro mifune - movie stars. you see them and no back story is necessary, you already know them.

chris pratt is a nothing actor in a bunch of nothing movies. what is uniquely chris pratt about jurassic world or guardians? why wouldn't you be able to just swap in any generic decent looking white dude who can do cringey reddit quips?

masterpug53 posted...

I have a hard time fathoming why a big-name auteur whose artistic influences are perpetually looking 20+ years backwards would lament the decline of 'star power.'

A "Movie star" is an archaic concept itself anyway. Yes, they're mostly recognizable as their MCU roles, but they don't seem as mythic or mysterious anymore when there's so much visual media that can be seen of them now

Usually these takes are kind of snobby and boring but honestly most of what he says is accurate

Tarantino is completely right but of course comic book nerds can never let anyone say anything about cape movies.

ArchNemo posted...

And Tarantino saying that just makes him seem out of touch because it implies people like Chris Evans, Chris Pratt, Chris Hemsworth, RDJ are not all huge names.

he knows hes out of touch, thats why this next movie will be his last

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I mean at this point its hard to find actors who have never been in at least one marvel movie

Sounds good to me. The illusion that the actor is the character is kind of the point of acting. If the character is bigger than the actor, then the actor did a good job portraying them.

People obviously care about IPs because that's where the story is based, but to say that these people aren't movie stars because people want to see Captain America or Thor or whatever is ludicrous

DipDipDiver posted...

People obviously care about IPs because that's where the story is based, but to say that these people aren't movie stars because people want to see Captain America or Thor or whatever is ludicrous

yeah chris evans is a huge movie star. people flock to the theater to see gifted, defending jacob, the red sea, and so on and so forth

same with chris hesmworth packing the movie houses with 12 strong and men in black international.

since people love these movie stars so much!!!

Zithers posted...

yeah chris evans is a huge movie star. people flock to the theater to see gifted, defending jacob, the red sea, and so on and so forth

same with chris hesmworth packing the movie houses with 12 strong and men in black international.

since people love these movie stars so much!!!

Lol

every time somebody says "It's all that gets made anymore!" i immediately disregard their opinions.

Ooooooranges posted...

The main criticism of MCU should be that pretty much every movie has the same formula and is extremely predictable.

This would probably the best criticism of MCU shows/movies and not what Tarantino said.

Zithers posted...

yeah chris evans is a huge movie star. people flock to the theater to see gifted, defending jacob, the red sea, and so on and so forth

same with chris hesmworth packing the movie houses with 12 strong and men in black international.

since people love these movie stars so much!!!

Well, yeah, nobody prefers going to the movies much anymore. Especially since the Chris Evans examples are dramas - which are rarely boxbusters anyway - and people are more selective based on reviews and word of mouth. That doesn't mean they don't like the actors.

he's way too nice.

Marvel feeds you braindead garbage and people lose their shit over it.

Hayame_Zero posted...

Especially since the Chris Evans examples are dramas - which are rarely boxbusters anyway

Why would I want a 60-foot-wide screen and several thousand watts of speakers, just to watch conversations?

Doom_Art posted...

Tarantino hasn't made a good film in a decade

I despise MCU nonsense and this is objective fact. Inglorious Basterds was his last good movie

Robot2600 posted...

he's way too nice.

Marvel feeds you braindead garbage and people lose their shit over it.

In before the "stop having fun!" replies

Questionmarktarius posted...

RDJ is a household name because Marvel?

It totally revitalized his career. He had substance abuse issues that derailed his career ( was the peak when he passed out in a neighbors bed?) The studio did not want him for Iron Man but Jon Favreau really wanted him for the part.

CRON posted...

I despise MCU nonsense and this is objective fact. Inglorious Basterds was his last good movie

In before the "stop having fun!" replies

You dont understand what objective means, and even if an opinion could be objective, once upon a time in Hollywood won Oscars and was nominated for best picture and director.

Yea Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was an awesome movie.

I'd argue every Tarantino movie is good. He doesn't make bad movies.

Cuticrusader09 posted...

It totally revitalized his career. He had substance abuse issues that derailed his career ( was the peak when he passed out in a neighbors bed?) The studio did not want him for Iron Man but Jon Favreau really wanted him for the part.

Yeah, RDJ was still considered a borderline toxic investment back then.

Like, he had his shit together but hadn't recovered his reputation.

Gremlynn posted...

every time somebody says "It's all that gets made anymore!" i immediately disregard their opinions.

Anytime someone doesn't know what a hyperbole is, I immediately disregard their opinions.

Robot2600 posted...

Yea Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was an awesome movie.

I'd argue every Tarantino movie is good. He doesn't make bad movies.

Every single one of his movies is absolutely brilliant

except death proof which was just good

I don't think he destroyed the films

Questionmarktarius posted...

RDJ is a household name because Marvel?

Damn right it is!

Also I like marvel movies, but theyve created an homogenization of what the typical blockbuster movie is supposed to be and studios have taken less risks and have tried to follow that big super hero money. Maybe thats why people loved Top Gun. A much needed return to form to an old school summer movie.

tarantino is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time tbh, or at least of the past 30 years. really no debating that.

Hayame_Zero posted...

Well, yeah, nobody prefers going to the movies much anymore. Especially since the Chris Evans examples are dramas - which are rarely boxbusters anyway - and people are more selective based on reviews and word of mouth. That doesn't mean they don't like the actors.

dramas are just as essential to see in theaters as anything else. but that's besides the point.

but you are correct that no one goes to movies anymore, especially not for the "movie stars." people go see movies for IP. and yet somehow people are finding ways to argue about this or get mad about it.

Zithers posted...

but you are correct that no one goes to movies anymore, especially not for the "movie stars." people go see movies for IP. and yet somehow people are finding ways to argue about this or get mad about it.

Tarantino's absolutely correct on that point in the technical sense, the question is whether or not the decline of 'star power' is a good thing. Personally I've never really been driven by the impetus of seeing 'the new Tom Cruise / Will Smith / Denzel' movie; I've always attached myself more to directors than actors when it comes to big names, and I don't think that side of it is really diminishing. Apart from the obvious reason of him being a classical cinephile, I can see why Tarantino would lament the decline of star power; it was no doubt a huge feather in his cap to land big names like Leo DiCaprio in his movies.

There are actors that I like but I never cared for "Star Power" when it comes to actually going to see a movie.
I've always been far more interested in who is writing, directing, producing, etc.

masterpug53 posted...

Tarantino's absolutely correct on that point in the technical sense, the question is whether or not the decline of 'star power' is a good thing. Personally I've never really been driven by the impetus of seeing 'the new Tom Cruise / Will Smith / Denzel' movie; I've always attached myself more to directors than actors when it comes to big names, and I don't think that side of it is really diminishing. Apart from the obvious reason of him being a classical cinephile, I can see why Tarantino would lament the decline of star power; it was no doubt a huge feather in his cap to land big names like Leo DiCaprio in his movies.

the answer is yes it is better

although i will say that i vastly prefer the star power of the old hollywood system. i am definitely all about following directors today but sometimes im like 'hey TCM is showing a 1940s movie ive never heard of that cary grant is in... maybe i should check it out' but i would never do that with any modern actor even though i think, yknow, joaquin phoenix or adam driver or elisabeth moss are some of the best actors ever. they just dont have a magnetic star persona that makes me feel like i could somewhat enjoy a movie just bc they are in it.