Current Events > New Zealand to ban smoking for everyone born after 2008

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ok that's actually horrible. i'm all for stopping smoking for youngsters, but banning them for life is disgusting. i get the occasional cigar like once a quarter so it's not much for me, but it would really piss me off if i couldnt relax at a cigar lounge in vegas every quarter.

They're keeping vaping? Dumb af

Hahahapossibly saving millions from poor health and death. But my occasional cigar.

Fine, take my specific instance out; it's still a horrible ban. Will absolutely lead to needing fucking cigarette dealers like they're weed dealers.

I understand it's not America, but if that happened here, you'd understand why it's such an awful ban.

And keeping vaping just shows "health and death" is not on their radar for reasoning behind this.

As far as Im concerned, tobacco should be forced to extinction. Its not like theres a worthwhile need for it.

Good move

ok that's actually horrible. i'm all for stopping smoking for youngsters, but banning them for life is disgusting. i get the occasional cigar like once a quarter so it's not much for me, but it would really piss me off if i couldnt relax at a cigar lounge in vegas every quarter.

This make no sense.

You say this because you've grown up with the habit and it's been a shaper on how you experience downtime in your life.

This is targeting young people who have not yet had that formative relationship with tobacco.

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Seems authoritarian, but its a very good reason. Nasty habit that becomes a drain on countries medical resources down the road.

1. "We're banning smoking for people who can't (legally) smoke yet, and justifying it as 'helping minorities'"
2. the ban is ineffectual
3. increase penalties
4. the ban is still ineffectual
5. increase penalties
6. the ban is still ineffectual
7. ban smokes for everyone else
8. the ban is still ineffectual
9. grossly increase penalities
10. "Why are the prisons full of minorities?"

As far as Im concerned, tobacco should be forced to extinction. Its not like theres a worthwhile need for it.

We gotta stop everything because we found some endangered snail somewhere, but we must absolutely genocide the fuck out of tobacco?

Following in Russia's footsteps, I see:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-38571174

I get your stance on that and I don't even necessarily disagree in a vacuum about having a worthwhile need for tobacco, but at what point does it stop? There isn't a worthwhile need for alcoholic beverages either. Or candy and ice cream.

The government shouldn't be drawing the line. That's my only overarching point.

I get your stance on that and I don't even necessarily disagree in a vacuum about having a worthwhile need for tobacco, but at what point does it stop? There isn't a worthwhile need for alcoholic beverages either. Or candy and ice cream.

The government shouldn't be drawing the line. That's my only overarching point.

Bad take.
Healthcare is subsidized/government funded in NZ.
They have every right to put a stop to a nasty ass habit that kills thousands yearly and creates a longterm draw on Healthcare systems.

Tobacco has made 100s of millions sick, sickly or dead and the healthcare costs associated with this freedom has cost billions. I dont think its a stretch to view ice cream under a different light.

AlcoholI dont have an answer, yet, Ive never felt the answer to a difficult question is to do nothing at all. Children all around the world still choose to start smoking, what answer is there to stop that from happening other than some form of action?

Im all for the extinction of this poison.

Its not authoritarianism when its placing an impossible burden on your health system and improving QOL for all

That is a fair point. It's hard for me to step back and view it in a non-American light. Here, if someone wants to smoke until they need $100k lung surgery, that's on them. But when that same person's $100k lung surgery is being paid for by my taxes, then I would concede, it is fair option to stop those crazy expenses.

In the NZ context of subsidized healthcare, I'm inclined to agree. And I wouldn't fault anyone for wanting the world to be rid of the stuff.

But in countries where taxpayers aren't on the hook for the chain smokers' surgery, it's still crazy to be in favor of giant sweeping bans like that.

Added point about the vaping too. That shit's just as bad for you.

Vaping isnt affected, which is a good thing, too.

How? It basically makes the ban pointless.

Here's what's going to happen.

1. "We're banning smoking for people who can't (legally) smoke yet, and justifying it as 'helping minorities'"
2. the ban is ineffectual
3. increase penalties
4. the ban is still ineffectual
5. increase penalties
6. the ban is still ineffectual
7. ban smokes for everyone else
8. the ban is still ineffectual
9. grossly increase penalities
10. "Why are the prisons full of minorities?"

I get your stance on that and I don't even necessarily disagree in a vacuum about having a worthwhile need for tobacco, but at what point does it stop? There isn't a worthwhile need for alcoholic beverages either. Or candy and ice cream.

As far as Im concerned, tobacco should be forced to extinction. Its not like theres a worthwhile need for it.