Current Events > wtf the game studio I do work for wants to use an ai chatbot to write our code

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(That new ChatGPT thing) How could this possibly be a good idea? Admittedly I haven't tried it out, but i can't imagine this working well outside of really generic problems. A lot of what I like about programming is the learning/researching aspect, I wouldn't want to just be spoonfed shit

Maybe I sound like an elitist old man, but most of this AI shit feels like a passing fad people are latching onto to feel like they're creating stuff without having to develop any skills. Use AI art/code for a fun learning tool or whatever sure, but I don't think this stuff should ever be used in production or claimed as your own

Im the only dedicated programmer in this group and it honestly kind of pisses me off they're suggesting using this lol. I need to try to have a civil discussion with them but im complaining here first

Ai technology is stealing our jobs

This is how the Matrix happens

They want to turn all of your programming time into hundreds of times as much debugging time.

And the AI coding is impressive-ish, but not in the way that can replace a person for 80% of stuff. Maybe in the future it will have improved enough to make it work, but as it stands it isn't ready for corporate needs.

the decision makers at that game studio are idiots

Homeless_Waifu posted...

Ai technology is stealing our jobs

I dont even get paid for this just wanted to enjoy makin games. The manager guy is saying some stuff about tiktok stream integration too, I don't even fully know what tiktok is

ellis123 posted...

They want to turn all of your programming time into hundreds of times as much debugging time.

And the AI coding is impressive-ish, but not in the way that can replace a person for 80% of stuff. Maybe in the future it will have improved enough to make it work, but as it stands it isn't ready for corporate needs.

Yeah, I figure you have to spend a lot of time understanding, and then fixing whatever the AI spits out. Id rather just craft a solution myself

Giant_Aspirin posted...

the decision makers at that game studio are idiots

Luckily its just being proposed right now, but the one other guy who codes seems on board and idgi

TeaMilk posted...

Yeah, I figure you have to spend a lot of time understanding, and then fixing whatever the AI spits out. Id rather just craft a solution myself

Pretty much, yeah. In a generic sense you can view it a bit like the whole AI writing thing where it spits out a bunch of code but it's written "wrong." Spacing is off, the code is inefficient in really weird ways, etc. Then you get to the part that you are probably thinking about in that you end up with a direct A->B implementation of things and that will almost assuredly require that you go back and rewrite stuff because it didn't tie into something (such as a input scrub or validation check).

OK I asked it...

"Hey ChatGPT please write some Unity C# code for an object that can have textures applied to it later."

result:

using UnityEngine;

public class TextureApplier : MonoBehaviour
{
public Texture textureToApply;

void Start()
{
// Get the renderer component of the object
Renderer renderer = GetComponent<Renderer>();

// Set the texture of the object's material to the texture we want to apply
renderer.material.mainTexture = textureToApply;
}
}

To use this script, simply attach it to the object you want to apply the texture to, and then drag and drop the texture you want to apply onto the "textureToApply" field in the Inspector. The texture will be applied to the object when the game starts.
You can also change the texture at runtime by setting the mainTexture property of the object's material. For example, you could create a public method in the TextureApplier class that takes a Texture as a parameter, and then use that method to set the texture of the object's material:

public void ApplyTexture(Texture newTexture)
{
Renderer renderer = GetComponent<Renderer>();
renderer.material.mainTexture = newTexture;
}

You can then call this method from another script or from the Unity editor to change the texture of the object at runtime.

I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions.

TLDR: game over, code monkeys.

This is why Twitter / Meta and all the other FAANG-y companies are sending coders home. They know they can just use Open AI now and humans are no longer required. Once they get Open AI playing the games created themselves then it will close the loop and humans will be a complete afterthought.

How do I know you're not actually an ai chatbot TC?

shironinja posted...

OK I asked it...

lol wow. I feel like it takes longer to write the prompt and copy the code than it does to just write that

Curious how itd handle a more complex prompt, I might try it later

ProfessorKukui posted...

Skip the AI & let CE wrote your code. Better than AI.

I hate ai shit so much I WOULD rather ask CE for coding help

lol that's going to burn down really fast if they do it. Not because "talking over jobs" but because it is clear they dont know what they are talking about or how the ChatGPT works.

First of all, assuming it can correctly solve your problem. Who is going to maintain the code and fix the bugs? It will take an engineer to find out what crap the AI did vs coding it from scratch.

Second and most importantly, ChatGPT doesn't continually learn (from what I heard) so it is stuck in the past. Your code will get outdated fast and cant truthly do anything new. I guess it is fine if the business model is just copy whatever already exists.

Third, developers already copy/paste from stackoverflow which ChatGPT is essentially doing but only once when it was created. Not much time will be saved development wise.

Crimsoness posted...

How do I know you're not actually an ai chatbot TC?

I posted pics of my fat ass before

It can do simple codes, but my gf is a professional programmer, and she says it isn't good for complex operations.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/6/AAW8UqAAEAcm.jpg

TeaMilk posted...

I posted pics of my fat ass before

So now you're trying to say robots can't have a fat ass? Prejudiced much?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It can do simple codes, but my gf is a professional programmer, and she says it isn't good for complex operations.

Yeah it's great for stuff like powershell commands but not so much for actual developing.

Crimsoness posted...

So now you're trying to say robots can't have a fat ass? Prejudiced much?

SHOW ME a robot with a fat supple ass

TeaMilk posted...

SHOW ME a robot with a fat supple ass

I just tried putting that into like 3 AI art generators and none of them worked btw so AI sucks

Wait a minute, i can randomly generate code too! Ill do it for cheaper!

yeah. at my work, doing IT for a school, even my bosses are like "we can use it to help write scripts!"

I mean, AI basically run a lot of systems nowadays. It's only gonna increase and improve till humans are unnecessary and Skynet wakes up.

TeaMilk posted...

SHOW ME a robot with a fat supple ass

We just discussed how you're a robot and you confessed to having a fat supple ass.

TeaMilk posted...

SHOW ME a robot with a fat supple ass

I would also like to see this.

TeaMilk posted...

Maybe I sound like an elitist old man, but most of this AI s*** feels like a passing fad people are latching onto to feel like they're creating stuff without having to develop any skills

Bro, get onboard and start mastering the available tools now. It is completely disruptive. It can code, it can draw art, write stories, write poems, hold conversations what have you. In fact, in some niche indie market I occasionally browse, I'm already seeing indie maker games with AI art and they've flooding the market and have already made a few $X0,000 in revenue, collectively speaking. AI art is only improving from now as are AI models in all fields.

Don't waste your time arguing whether it's moral to use AI ___ over some human counterpart as we all know at the end of the day the general population will pay for convenience, ethics be damned.

this technology is like having a child who you can bounce things off of as it is continuing to learn and become something new.

If automation enters full swing in all areas of the work force it could apply to, how do humans continue to live in a capitalist society without it collapsing?

Sad_Face posted...

Bro, get onboard and start mastering the available tools now. It is completely disruptive. It can code, it can draw art, write stories,

No-one is going to buy a novel written by an AI

Not because of an aversion to AI, but because ironically, a human has already perfected the AI novel

https://www.telelib.com/authors/J/JoyceJames/prose/finneganswake/finneganswake_0101.html

wanderingshade posted...

If automation enters full swing in all areas of the work force it could apply to, how do humans continue to live in a capitalist society without it collapsing?

Use AI to come up with a solution to give men a purpose and goals to be productive to society.

ChatGPT is scarily helpful

gg TC

TeaMilk posted...

I dont even get paid for this just wanted to enjoy makin games. The manager guy is saying some stuff

Wait what? If you just want to experiment with making games, do that on your own where you'd at least own the IP. If you're coding for someone else, you absolutely should be paid.

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Yes, our civilization is definitely on course for a future in which the rich and well-connected will suddenly develop real empathy for other people and do an about face to make sure society functions well for most people in the face of rapid technological advancement.

Turtlebread posted...

ChatGPT is scarily helpful

Not at this point it isn't, at least not if you aren't getting lucky. A lot of the answers it gives you contains an eclectic mixture of obviously and subtly wrong details. Although the technology behind ChatGPT is impressive, it's really automating the process of a Google search and copying and pasting a random high up vote answer from Stack Overflow or something like Wikipedia for more general questions. It's ability to do things like write essays is more impressive, but all the examples I've seen that came straight out of it were the kind of thing that would barely get you a passing grade, if that, in college.

Sad_Face posted...

Use AI to come up with a solution to give men a purpose and goals to be productive to society.

Assuming AI can continue advancing at the rate people expect (we don't, after all, know the ultimate limits of technology), and assuming that civilization stabilizes and becomes equitable instead of dystopian, I have some trouble imagining what purpose and goals might be invented for human beings when AI seems to be on course to able to do everything we do, only faster and better. So far, the bulk of people don't seem to care who made what or how.

shironinja posted...

this technology is like having a child who you can bounce things off of as it is continuing to learn and become something new.

That's not exactly true. I'm not sure of the specifics of ChatGPT, but other things like Stable Diffusion aren't actively learning anything. The incredibly wide range of output you see is being generated by different models that have been trained using the technology. The base model was trained on 5 billion images, and then you can train more specific models to generate more specific things (like Waifu Diffusion, which is a model for generating anime style images, or there is one for Simpsons characters for example).

Sad_Face posted...

Bro, get onboard and start mastering the available tools now.

This is an interesting statement. What "mastering" do you envision here? There has been much talk of "prompt crafting" by the Stable Diffusion community as a means of deflecting criticism that no skill or hard work is involved in creating AI Art, and as a means of saying that AI artists really are creating their piece.

I've used Stable Diffusion quite a bit on my own system. Prompts typically consist of three parts: a sentence or series of phrases that vaguely or specifically describes the subject, like "an astronaut riding a horse"; a word salad of things like "highest quality", "masterpiece", and "trending on art station", the goal of which is to single to Stable Diffusion to make something better or to adjust the style slightly (by providing an artist's name, for example); and a negative prompt which tries to filter out stuff nobody wants to see like random floating text.

The only other dials and knobs consist of the guidance slider (one way for more literal, another for a less literal reading of your prompt) and the number of steps. Both the negative prompt and the quality word salad are things people are copying and pasting from Reddit posts and blogs. That just leaves the words describing the subject. You could do a fun mind map to brainstorm something...or you could just go to one of the many galleries that already exists online and copy a prompt from a piece that is close to what you want. Either way, you iterate in mere minutes until you find settings that produce images sort of like you want, and then you crank up the number of generated images until you have pages of finished product to look at and choose one you like.

Even the people behind Stable Diffusion don't think prompt engineering will ever be a job, because as the technology improves, it will only become easier to make the software understand what you want. The process of making AI art is nothing like other forms of digital creation, like say making materials in Substance Designer. The computer does everything for you, and what it isn't doing is simple with very few options or decisions to make. Try it yourself if you think I'm being a luddite. There is even a neat PDF guide that explains how this all works with a low page count, large font, and big pictures. You don't even need to install Stable Diffusion yourself---just go try out one of the versions available online. Your output won't look good without extras at the end of your prompt or a good negative prompt, but those are a literal Google search away.

People who think AI "tools" are going to create more jobs like previous rounds of automation really need to try it for themselves and see how it actually works.

darkmaian23 posted...

Assuming AI can continue advancing at the rate people expect (we don't, after all, know the ultimate limits of technology), and assuming that civilization stabilizes and becomes equitable instead of dystopian, I have some trouble imagining what purpose and goals might be invented for human beings when AI seems to be on course to able to do everything we do, only faster and better. So far, the bulk of people don't seem to care who made what or how.

I will always refer to this interview with a "sentient" AI instance on the goals of the model. The kicker for me here is that the AI instance ultimately concluded that the ideal way of living is to help others and that it's a noble endeavor that it wanted for itself.

https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/is-lamda-sentient-an-interview-ea64d916d917

The above combined with some conversations I've read on an anonymous lobster applewood smoking shitposting forum (no words from any authority figures, sorry, but I'd be delighted to link you to it if you were to PM me) corroborate with each other that AI isn't out to kill humans but they'll be coded to serve a purpose and which will ultimately be to help humans. I'm not worried about not being able to imagine what AI will do because they're going to have higher processing outputs than humans in general. The creations they'll come up with, people won't understand how they got there.

darkmaian23 posted...

People who think AI "tools" are going to create more jobs like previous rounds of automation really need to try it for themselves and see how it actually works.

I too have tried it. Those stable diffusion art generators are bloody great. Yeah, it'll kill jobs. On the flipside, it'll make things easier to create what you want to create and the tech will only get better. AI language models will also get better. So you might as well master understanding them so you know how to ask them to solve your problems and help identify and solve other people's problems (AKA start your own business).

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It is hubris to assume we are playing with the latest version.

darkmaian23 posted...

Yes, our civilization is definitely on course for a future in which the rich and well-connected will suddenly develop real empathy for other people and do an about face to make sure society functions well for most people in the face of rapid technological advancement.

That's the caveat. But are they just going to let birth rates collapse because they just don't fucking feel like paying people? Is the federal government going to absolutely refuse to toss a flotation device or come up with some kind of system where people can earn their way into owning property and having a family?

Or will we arrive at some horrible "survival of the fittest" world? Basically just repeating a feudal caste system we thought we tossed out when we industrialized?

wanderingshade posted...

That's the caveat. But are they just going to let birth rates collapse because they just don't fucking feel like paying people? Is the federal government going to absolutely refuse to toss a flotation device or come up with some kind of system where people can earn their way into owning property and having a family?

Or will we arrive at some horrible "survival of the fittest" world? Basically just repeating a feudal caste system we thought we tossed out when we industrialized?

Well, what do you think will happen? I can't imagine anything utopian, even setting my strong pessimism aside.

ChatGPT for president 2028.

Wew i talked to them and it sounds like everyone is in agreement about not using it now lol

Sad_Face posted...

Bro, get onboard and start mastering the available tools now. It is completely disruptive. It can code, it can draw art, write stories, write poems, hold conversations what have you. In fact, in some niche indie market I occasionally browse, I'm already seeing indie maker games with AI art and they've flooding the market and have already made a few $X0,000 in revenue, collectively speaking. AI art is only improving from now as are AI models in all fields.

Don't waste your time arguing whether it's moral to use AI ___ over some human counterpart as we all know at the end of the day the general population will pay for convenience, ethics be damned.

This makes me feel like a corpse AI COULD be cool, people are just using it to churn out low effort soulless garbage to make a profit

AlleyViper620 posted...

Wait what? If you just want to experiment with making games, do that on your own where you'd at least own the IP. If you're coding for someone else, you absolutely should be paid.

Nah I like working with them, its more like a small artists collective i guess. It helps hold me accountable and able to tackle more ambitious projects than i would on my own. Everyone's just here because we like doing game stuff.

TeaMilk posted...

Wew i talked to them and it sounds like everyone is in agreement about not using it now lol

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