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omniryu
12/23/22 1:10:56 PM
#1:


Recently, I have seen the rise in debates of how an age gap is inappropriate. From women, I hear it isn't just 17 but 25 year old women are very naive and impressionable to men who are at least 10 years older than them.

Here is a video of two side of the argument.

https://fb.watch/hBFjNTr4ac/?mibextid=NnVzG8

Guy side:
  • Older women comes with more baggage
  • Older women are more likely be bitter
  • Less likely to be submissive.
  • Younger women would have more sex with you than not.
The woman side she said
  • Younger are more niave and let Older men get away with a lot of stuff
  • Both men and women do it more but men are more visible at taking advantage of the younger girl
  • Majority* of men wants to control the Younger women
  • They want a servant instead of a true partner
  • That a 20 year old woman and 30 year old man have different life experiences and at different chapter of their lives
  • And if you're not interested in their life experiences good or bad, you are not really interested in the person themselves.


I seen celebrities like Henry Caville and Leonardo get heavily criticize for dating young women.

Me, personally. I am seeing someone my age. I feel like as long you and have the something to discuss and bond over. You age shouldn't matter as long as you're legal.

I do believe they are guys who do take advantage of Younger women. I remember a 21 year old dating one og my friends who was in middle school. That was creepy. When it comes to someone who is 22 and is dating a 32 year old, come on... look into the details of the relationship.

Are they both treating each other right? Does he really respect her? Does she seem value in him or is she dating him because her ideal man is that age?

What am I missing? Is there other reason why you feel and age gap is inappropriate?

EDIT:
* Majority- so the problem I have with this is that a lot of the critics feel like it is a Majority, if not all, the 'age gap' relationships are creepy/abusive/controlling..

Can we get a study on this? Like a poll.

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WarfireX
12/23/22 1:14:06 PM
#2:


If she's 18 I can do whatever we want with her.

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Fony
12/23/22 1:14:24 PM
#3:


There's no debate. People are carrying on with life in the real world. Only older women and rudderless SJW types think this is a debate. It's more like older women(specifically) complaining and the type of guy who crusades for literally anything any woman says supporting them.

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Zikten
12/23/22 1:16:45 PM
#4:


omniryu posted...
but 25 year old women are very naive and impressionable to men who are at least 10 years older than them.


Anyone who thinks that is just being weird. I would think it is insulting to infantilize a 25 year old woman and act like she can't make decisions for herself
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omniryu
12/23/22 1:18:58 PM
#5:


Zikten posted...
Anyone who thinks that is just being weird. I would think it is insulting to infantilize a 25 year old woman and act like she can't make decisions for herself
I have seen it alot with Leonardo dicaprio.
They feel as if he is a creep. I always see Leonardo as a genius as he master steered his career into high end roles.

I feel like there should be a study on the age gap.

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bsp77
12/23/22 1:19:03 PM
#6:


I am 45 and my fiance is 30. We started dating 2 years ago, but had been friends for 3 years prior.

There aren't really any issues with an age gap. We like some similar things, but not others. She doesn't get most of my 80s and 90s pop culture references, but that isn't that big of a deal. We also are pretty independent and spend a decent chunk of time alone or with others, so our time together is special.

She does have a lot less baggage than the several people I dated in the years after my divorce and prior to dating her. She actually assumes positive intent and isn't triggered by exes as much. Admittedly, I have some baggage...

But I do NOT want a servant. Since she is so introverted, I actually have pushed her to stand up more for herself and to me when necessary.

I actually resisted dating her for 3 years because I did NOT want to take advantage of her, or just "wham bam thank you ma'am" and break her heart. I waited until I was in a better mental state after my divorce.

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omniryu
12/23/22 1:26:38 PM
#7:


bsp77 posted...
But I do NOT want a servant. Since she is so introverted, I actually have pushed her to stand up more for herself and to me when necessary.
Yeah, that's what I am saying but a lot of men out there wants a servant. And I am not saying Majority but I do see some people saying they want a women who can cook and clean.

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masticatingman
12/23/22 1:26:43 PM
#8:


Men will always date younger women for the pure attractiveness metric.

The same holds with gay male dating.

Sure, there are always some power dynamics involved, but the looks of the partner at surface level honestly triumphs here regardless.

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Scintillant
12/23/22 1:29:09 PM
#9:


The only weird thing is if you know someone prior to 18 and go for it as soon as they turn 18. That is fucking creepy and weird.

Anything else is fine

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ScazarMeltex
12/23/22 1:30:18 PM
#10:


omniryu posted...
Recently, I have seen the rise in debates of how an age gap is inappropriate. From women, I hear it isn't just 17 but 25 year old women are very naive and impressionable to men who are at least 10 years older than them.

Here is a video of two side of the argument.

https://fb.watch/hBFjNTr4ac/?mibextid=NnVzG8

Guy side:
* Older women comes with more baggage
* Older women are more likely be bitter
* Less likely to be submissive.
* Younger women would have more sex with you than not.
The woman side she said
* Younger are more niave and let Older men get away with a lot of stuff
* Both men and women do it more but men are more visible at taking advantage of the younger girl
* Majority* of men wants to control the Younger women
* They want a servant instead of a true partner
* That a 20 year old woman and 30 year old man have different life experiences and at different chapter of their lives
* And if you're not interested in their life experiences good or bad, you are not really interested in the person themselves.

I seen celebrities like Henry Caville and Leonardo get heavily criticize for dating young women.

Me, personally. I am seeing someone my age. I feel like as long you and have the something to discuss and bond over. You age shouldn't matter as long as you're legal.

I do believe they are guys who do take advantage of Younger women. I remember a 21 year old dating one og my friends who was in middle school. That was creepy. When it comes to someone who is 22 and is dating a 32 year old, come on... look into the details of the relationship.

Are they both treating each other right? Does he really respect her? Does she seem value in him or is she dating him because her ideal man is that age?

What am I missing? Is there other reason why you feel and age gap is inappropriate?

EDIT:
* Majority- so the problem I have with this is that a lot of the critics feel like it is a Majority, if not all, the 'age gap' relationships are creepy/abusive/controlling..

Can we get a study on this? Like a poll.
All this debate does is infantilize women.

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bsp77
12/23/22 1:30:26 PM
#11:


omniryu posted...
Yeah, that's what I am saying but a lot of men out there wants a servant. And I am not saying Majority but I do see some people saying they want a women who can cook and clean.
We evenly spilt cooking and cleaning. In fact, we trade off making brand new recipes for each other. I love cooking.

And she makes really good money. Not quite as much as me but I get nailed by child support because I have 4 daughters (same mom lol). So it isn't like there is that kind of money / power dynamic.

Just like with everything, there are examples of shitty relationships and strong ones, regardless of whether there is an age gap or not.

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BuckVanHammer
12/23/22 1:31:28 PM
#12:


Remove age and then dig more into what is a healthy relationship and that's pretty much it.

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Nemu
12/23/22 1:33:24 PM
#13:


Its just pointless discourse from slacktivists who want something to seem virtuous about.
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SuperShake666
12/23/22 1:33:33 PM
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As long as both parties are 18+ then fuckin go for it.

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gmanthebest
12/23/22 1:33:43 PM
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What 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom is none of my business.

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MorbidFaithless
12/23/22 1:46:55 PM
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gmanthebest posted...
What 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom is none of my business.


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NeonTentacles
12/23/22 1:47:51 PM
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Are they 18 or older? Then full speed ahead on SS Dicktanic!

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Mistere_Man
12/23/22 1:50:03 PM
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gmanthebest posted...
What 2 or more consenting adults do in their bedroom is none of my business.

Fixed to my opinion

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rexcrk
12/23/22 2:03:51 PM
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This is gonna be a fun one


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Lost_All_Senses
12/23/22 2:13:00 PM
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I think it's mostly just weird when people take a hard stance for big age gaps and ignore all the toxic shit that is usually associated. If you're moving with love, I don't get why you'd defend the ones that aren't. If you get into a relationship with an age gap and are genuinely in love with the person for sincere reasons, you wouldn't be the one being pressed. You'd become the exception and your values would be on display and speak for themselves.

But in the grand scheme, it's so weird to completely ignore how much toxic behavior the older party are going into these relationships with in favor of trying to change the image to completely cater to you being able to date younger people without anyone ever questioning it. That's already suspect because you're basically asking the world not to check in on the people you're dating. How is that anything but suspect? Lol. You should have nothing shady to hide and people checking in should just make you look good if you're sincerely in it for love.

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TerraSeeker
12/23/22 3:00:56 PM
#21:


masticatingman posted...


The same holds with gay male dating.
I saw a friend on facebook was with an older. I didn't know he was gay, but if I did, I would have thought he would date someone prettier instead of someone older. I guess they look closer to the same age now.

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wanderingshade
12/23/22 3:06:49 PM
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Zikten posted...
Anyone who thinks that is just being weird. I would think it is insulting to infantilize a 25 year old woman and act like she can't make decisions for herself

People seem to use 24-25 a bunch in discussions, but I think a 36 year old dating a 25 year old isn't really a problem. 20-23 is kind of ... well, if you're falling in love with a person and not an age it isn't really an issue. The thing about DiCaprio that people have a problem with is he keeps getting older and dating only the same age range, then keeps breaking up with them like they've passed an expiration date.

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josifrees
12/23/22 3:09:23 PM
#23:


Stop taking womens agency away from them

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omniryu
12/23/22 3:15:20 PM
#24:


bsp77 posted...
We evenly spilt cooking and cleaning. In fact, we trade off making brand new recipes for each other. I love cooking.

And she makes really good money. Not quite as much as me but I get nailed by child support because I have 4 daughters (same mom lol). So it isn't like there is that kind of money / power dynamic.

Just like with everything, there are examples of shitty relationships and strong ones, regardless of whether there is an age gap or not.
We need to hear more stories like yours. I think things are getting too out of hand.

Lost_All_Senses posted...
You'd become the exception and your values would be on display and speak for themselves.
But is that true? Is it it the majority of men who date younger women take advantage of then? I want data.

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omniryu
12/23/22 3:17:01 PM
#25:


wanderingshade posted...
People seem to use 24-25 a bunch in discussions, but I think a 36 year old dating a 25 year old isn't really a problem. 20-23 is kind of ... well, if you're falling in love with a person and not an age it isn't really an issue. The thing about DiCaprio that people have a problem with is he keeps getting older and dating only the same age range, then keeps breaking up with them like they've passed an expiration date.
But does that mean he is taking advantage of them? Maybe he has a maturity problem? I think in his case, the best route is for him to see a therapist instead of calling him out on something the average person incorrectly analyze.

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Fony
12/23/22 3:18:00 PM
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Lmao, he's getting the women he wants and they're getting the lifestyle they want...that's all. Stop projecting.


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omniryu
12/23/22 3:21:01 PM
#27:


Fony posted...
Lmao, he's getting the women he wants and they're getting the lifestyle they want...that's all. Stop projecting.
I do feel like someone women are jealous of younger women so I do believe that some are trying paint a picture of all men are predator if they date anyone ten years younger.

Another thing I think is a big picture is women do terrify themselves by over consuming those horror-bad-romance documentary.

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meestermj
12/23/22 3:22:48 PM
#28:


omniryu posted...
Guy side:
Older women comes with more baggage
Older women are more likely be bitter
Less likely to be submissive.
Younger women would have more sex with you than not.
Those points are all fucking gross.
Who thinks those things? Fuck

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David1988
12/23/22 3:24:27 PM
#29:


30 year old woman and 20 year old guy = sweetman

30 year old guy and 20 year old woman = douchebag

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FL81
12/23/22 3:26:03 PM
#30:


omniryu posted...
25 year old women
y'know, at a certain point you just gotta let people live how they want to live

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itachi15243
12/23/22 3:26:48 PM
#31:


meestermj posted...
Those points are all fucking gross.
Who thinks those things? Fuck

Yeah I kinda suspect most people didn't watch the video before responding. How the fuck is that guy supposed to be the case argument for the men's side on this?

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David1988
12/23/22 3:27:02 PM
#32:


Also, wat at OP:

I remember a 21 year old dating one og my friends who was in middle school.

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omniryu
12/23/22 3:33:54 PM
#33:


meestermj posted...
Those points are all fucking gross.
Who thinks those things? Fuck
So the guy who said this is black. From what I understand, submissive means something different in the black community.

Watch a few videos. You will understand that it doesnt mean a slave. You will even see some black women say, ' I will be submissive if a black man knows how to lead.'

David1988 posted...
Also, wat at OP:

I remember a 21 year old dating one og my friends who was in middle school.
Yes. The guy was 21 and she was in middle school. At first I thought the guy was cool but looking back at it now. He was a fucking loser.

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Fony
12/23/22 3:40:41 PM
#34:


Here comes the race science angle. Christ.

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/23/22 3:44:51 PM
#35:


The further away you are from being a child, the less the age gap matters. Like, a 70 year old dating a 19 year old sends off huge sirens, no matter the context, these sirens are friggin cosmic dude. A 70 year old dating a 40 year old, I can't really feel any opposition to this offhand.

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I4NRulez
12/23/22 3:45:06 PM
#36:


i feel like if theres no ill intent like grooming let people date who they want as long as they both consent.

Stats show its most likely doomed to fail and i think its fucked up to tell a young person you can go to war and die but society will give you shit if you fuck someone older.

Personally i wouldnt do it but i aint the one doing it so i dont care

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omniryu
12/23/22 3:48:08 PM
#37:


Fony posted...
Here comes the race science angle. Christ.

How do you get offended by me letting you in on what submissive means in the black community? Walk away from your device and touch grass dude.

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bsp77
12/23/22 3:59:07 PM
#38:


Fony posted...
There's no debate. People are carrying on with life in the real world. Only older women and rudderless SJW types think this is a debate. It's more like older women(specifically) complaining and the type of guy who crusades for literally anything any woman says supporting them.
The two groups of people who have made disparaging comments about my relationship:

  1. Women around my age
  2. Men around her age who struggle


Both appear to rooted in jealousy or envy.

Women her age (and younger) consistency say we are cute together.

So I have a hard time taking the complaints seriously. But it doesn't seem like hardly anyone in this thread has an issue. But there also seems to be this magical cutoff of 25 by many people here.

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omniryu
12/23/22 4:13:30 PM
#39:


bsp77 posted...
So I have a hard time taking the complaints seriously. But it doesn't seem like hardly anyone in this thread has an issue. But there also seems to be this magical cutoff of 25 by many people here.

Like I said my theory is
  1. The horror stories of bad relationships they here from social media
  2. The fatal attraction documentaries they watch on TV.
The negative will always be louder than the positive. I am betting if we had a study with a huge sample size of people who broke up they will tell you they didn't felt groom or manipulated.

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Lost_All_Senses
12/23/22 4:20:41 PM
#40:


omniryu posted...
But is that true? Is it it the majority of men who date younger women take advantage of then? I want data.

I more so am referring to people who chose to not even acknowledge the bad in their debate. Then they also generalize me even after I say that it's not always a creepy and disingenuous motive and acknowledge that Im not demonizing someone just for being in a relationship. Im saying that behavior is the suspect part. Because they refuse to see a middleground and instead get very defensive and show a behavior that would lend itself to them being the type to be in the more toxic type relationship.

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omniryu
12/23/22 4:30:15 PM
#41:


Lost_All_Senses posted...
I more so am referring to people who chose to not even acknowledge the bad in their debate. Then they also generalize me even after I say that it's not always a creepy and disingenuous motive and acknowledge that Im not demonizing someone just for being in a relationship. Im saying that behavior is the suspect part. Because they refuse to see a middleground and instead get very defensive and show a behavior that would lend itself to them being the type to be in the more toxic type relationship.


I think any would want to be in the middle ground as most people who have a side wants to be proven right no matter what. That's the sad part.


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Lost_All_Senses
12/23/22 4:33:10 PM
#42:


omniryu posted...
I think any would want to be in the middle ground as most people who have a side wants to be proven right no matter what. That's the sad part.

I agree. Most stuff falls into a grey area and we generalize to makes things easier and hope people don't take it too literal. But when givin a chance to elaborate, some stand by their generalizations and show no sign of even trying to gain perspective of alternative views.

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Oh_Boy_
12/23/22 5:12:46 PM
#43:


Lost_All_Senses posted...
I agree. Most stuff falls into a grey area and we generalize to makes things easier and hope people don't take it too literal. But when givin a chance to elaborate, some stand by their generalizations and show no sign of even trying to gain perspective of alternative views.

Good post, but somewhat ironic since you're usually the one(or at least among those) generalizing men as predatory in all of these age gap topics. The words you typed in this post however, are agreeable.
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Haejin
12/23/22 5:17:55 PM
#44:


Let people live their own lives, and stop judging people

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Oh_Boy_
12/23/22 5:20:44 PM
#45:


Haejin posted...
Let people live their own lives, and stop judging people

Requires not being jealous, pathetic or a faux moral crusader. In short, good luck to that.
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NeonTentacles
12/23/22 5:45:50 PM
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People got way too much time on their hands to be analyzing this shit >_>

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GuerrillaSoldier
12/23/22 6:02:18 PM
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no one cares

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omniryu
12/23/22 6:53:44 PM
#48:


NeonTentacles posted...
People got way too much time on their hands to be analyzing this shit >_>
Well, there are innocent people being called predator. Are we wasting time or are we trying to break down a serious issue?

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GS4Life
12/23/22 7:10:49 PM
#49:


I just turned 33 and there is a girl who is either 20 or 21 I actively want to date

But aside from being highly incompetent in the romance department I do feel too old for her

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omniryu
12/23/22 9:58:06 PM
#50:


GS4Life posted...
I just turned 33 and there is a girl who is either 20 or 21 I actively want to date

But aside from being highly incompetent in the romance department I do feel too old for her
Do you feel like she wants you for you? If you don't feel like you're taking advantage of her, go for it.

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