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Cobra1010
12/24/22 2:40:37 AM
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After knives out, I had high expectations.

I still enjoyed Daniel Craig's performance but after finishing the movie, it felt like a waste of my 2 and a half hours.

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Smashingpmkns
12/24/22 2:41:55 AM
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I thought it was great and pretty prescient for something filmed in 2020.

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Realforce
12/24/22 2:42:17 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I thought it was great and pretty prescient for something filmed in 2020.


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Kajagogo
12/24/22 3:00:24 AM
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Personally, I liked it better than Knives Out.

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Prestoff
12/24/22 3:06:49 AM
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Disagreed heavily, while some things were very convenient like the sister surviving the bullet shot or somehow her destroying stuff caused everyone else to turn on the billionaire guy? , but otherwise it was a solid flick overall and all the cast did an amazing job in it. You can tell everyone had an amazing time filming it.

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noisetank
12/24/22 3:38:10 AM
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imo better than knives out.

fun watch.

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DarthAragorn
12/24/22 3:39:12 AM
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Disagree

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KhlavicLanguage
12/24/22 3:48:04 AM
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noisetank posted...
imo better than knives out.
definitely havent seen anyone say that. at best they say it's just almost as good
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dancing_cactuar
12/24/22 4:02:28 AM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
definitely havent seen anyone say that. at best they say it's just almost as good
I thought it was better, the smaller cast benefitted the film and made everyone more memorable whereas the first one had way too many family members. Can't remember what the majority of the family members even did in the first one outside of our protagonist, the true culprit, and the MAGA family that threatened to get her sent to Mexico.

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Mr_hulk88
12/24/22 4:03:35 AM
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
definitely havent seen anyone say that. at best they say it's just almost as good
Actually Chris said he liked this one a little better.
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Rharyx211
12/25/22 12:29:28 PM
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Knives Out was better, but Glass Onion was still really fun.

If they just keep making Daniel Craig Benoit Blanc movies forever, I would not mind. They're already 2 for 2 with making bangers.


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WingsOfGood
12/25/22 12:30:12 PM
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Rian
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eaglei3
12/25/22 12:39:26 PM
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I like Knives Out more, but found Glass Onion still good. I felt Knives Out had better pacing throughout where it felt like it took awhile for Glass Onion to get going.
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AlephZero
12/25/22 12:48:04 PM
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Knives Out is better but I still liked it. The one thing I didn't like was when they interrupted the movie halfway through for a straight half hour of nothing but exposition.

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Rharyx211
12/25/22 1:08:46 PM
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^Yeah, the pacing in the middle for the twist/flashback wasn't the best. That's definitely my only complaint with things.

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lilORANG
12/25/22 1:16:13 PM
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>Rian Johnson

Uhhh, yeah.

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Ruvan22
12/26/22 2:39:50 AM
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AlephZero posted...
Knives Out is better but I still liked it. The one thing I didn't like was when they interrupted the movie halfway through for a straight half hour of nothing but exposition.
Agreed it was jarring - plus I felt the first movie was more 'solvable' because of steady narration
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Ruvan22
12/26/22 2:41:27 AM
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Prestoff posted...
Disagreed heavily, while some things were very convenient like the sister surviving the bullet shot or somehow her destroying stuff caused everyone else to turn on the billionaire guy? , but otherwise it was a solid flick overall and all the cast did an amazing job in it. You can tell everyone had an amazing time filming it.

I thought everyone turned on him when Helen pointed out his reputation and finances would be ruined from the demonstration of Klear being unstable
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Starrman4
12/26/22 2:52:22 AM
#20:


It was enjoyable, but the final act felt like it was from a different genre of movie and was jarring

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ECW_Originals12
12/26/22 2:52:35 AM
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I agree
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g0ldie
12/26/22 2:53:40 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
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bknight
12/26/22 4:18:42 AM
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It was ok, but him saying the billionaire was a buffoon when he did get away with the murder was meh. He switched the drinks out, distracts the story about the almost crash and shoots the twin all on the fly. He burns the napkin and Helen lost, so she burns down the place. Guess that's the twist ending.
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indica
12/26/22 4:26:50 AM
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Hey Daryll

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AsucaHayashi
12/26/22 4:29:40 AM
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noisetank posted...
imo better than knives out.

fun watch.

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ThisIsAKnoife
12/26/22 5:18:04 AM
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bknight posted...
It was ok, but him saying the billionaire was a buffoon when he did get away with the murder was meh. He switched the drinks out, distracts the story about the almost crash and shoots the twin all on the fly. He burns the napkin and Helen lost, so she burns down the place. Guess that's the twist ending.

He called him a buffoon because it was all obvious and he was giving Miles the benefit of the doubt because he thought he was smarter and would not leave such obvious clues. The twist ending was it seemed like Helen was just having a tantrum and destroying trivial things to let off steam until you see she was handed klear and was setting up to use it to destroy the whole compound. She was using the same logic as Miles in that he will have no proof that she committed any of those crimes and it was simply klear being an unstable substance.

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indica
12/26/22 6:07:10 AM
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ThisIsAKnoife posted...
He called him a buffoon because it was all obvious and he was giving Miles the benefit of the doubt because he thought he was smarter and would not leave such obvious clues. The twist ending was it seemed like Helen was just having a tantrum and destroying trivial things to let off steam until you see she was handed klear and was setting up to use it to destroy the whole compound. She was using the same logic as Miles in that he will have no proof that she committed any of those crimes and it was simply klear being an unstable substance.
I felt like it was super callous and fucked for Benoit to giver her that. He pulled her into this whole mystery, got her shot, and then gives her the key to explode the whole property while he runs away to watch with Daryll. IRL everyone in the building would have died, including her. He should've told her to run while he blew up the place.

The scene with her running to open the Mona Lisa cage was so well shot

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ZevLoveDOOM
12/26/22 6:58:20 AM
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i enjoyed the first way more.

this one was way too ridiculous for my liking...
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LinkDaLunatic
12/26/22 7:04:34 AM
#29:


indica posted...
I felt like it was super callous and fucked for Benoit to giver her that. He pulled her into this whole mystery, got her shot, and then gives her the key to explode the whole property while he runs away to watch with Daryll. IRL everyone in the building would have died, including her. He should've told her to run while he blew up the place.

The scene with her running to open the Mona Lisa cage was so well shot
the theme of her needing to 'be batman' because mr. benoit couldn't was set up right from the beginning. in the end, he basically said to her, 'this is as far as i can legally take it. if you want justice, it's time for some vigilante shit.'

not saying it was ok for him to do, just explaining why he did it. if he hadn't, then elo- uh, miles would have gotten away with everything. it was their only option left.
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indica
12/26/22 7:40:44 AM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
the theme of her needing to 'be batman' because mr. benoit couldn't was set up right from the beginning. in the end, he basically said to her, 'this is as far as i can legally take it. if you want justice, it's time for some vigilante shit.'

not saying it was ok for him to do, just explaining why he did it. if he hadn't, then elo- uh, miles would have gotten away with everything. it was their only option left.
Yeah, I got that. I just felt is went strongly against his chivalrous character, especially booking it to a safe distance to watch with a cigar instead of being ready to save her fucking life

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Zanzenburger
12/26/22 9:00:59 AM
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I think I enjoyed both films equally.

I think the pacing weirdness is just a signature quirk of the series.

Yes, this movie had that weird exposition break in the middle, but Kives Out did it too, just at the beginning. Having Blanc "solve" the crime 15 minutes into the movie was a bizarre choice and I remember people complaining about the pacing.

I actually liked how it was done in both movies, as it makes it different than your traditional mystery. As much as I enjoy those traditional "Murder she wrote" or "Sherlock" mysteries with predictable 1st, 2nd, and 3rd acts, my favorite thing about this series os how they change up the storytelling structure. It allows for more creative ways to tell the story and set up the clues.

For example, I love how the twist of the billionaire being an idiot was lampshaded throughout the whole movie, from his use of vocabulary, to his revelation that everything from the puzzle box to the mystery dinner was done through paid experts, his nonsense ideas he would send to the scientist that was questioned by investors, and even in the flashback when Andy's sister asked if Miles could have been the killer and Blanc was even like "it would be too stupid for him to do it, too obvious".

Honestly, Blanc's own personal reaction to the twist is one of the funniest things I've ever seen and made the whole movie worth it.

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apocalyptic_4
12/26/22 9:07:58 AM
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I really enjoyed it. Apparantly knives out is also good so I'd like to give that a watch also.

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well-excuse-me
12/26/22 9:09:07 AM
#33:


Blanc solving the fake murder before it happens was hilarious

On a whole, I like Knives Out better but not by much. OG cast was funnier and Craig was better.
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CyricZ
12/26/22 12:15:32 PM
#34:


Ruvan22 posted...
I thought everyone turned on him when Helen pointed out his reputation and finances would be ruined from the demonstration of Klear being unstable
Exactly. As Blanc said, all it took was courage.

The Disruptors were ready to turn on him. They just needed a push.

LinkDaLunatic posted...
not saying it was ok for him to do, just explaining why he did it. if he hadn't, then elo- uh, miles would have gotten away with everything. it was their only option left.
This is absolutely 100% the message of the movie.

Not all things in this world can be solved by following the rules. Whether those rules are the laws of society, polite social mores, or the conventions of detective fiction.

Blanc solved the case but at the end of the day, who cares? Bron can still get away with it because who will stop him?

Sometimes we have to break a convention or a civility or a bit of polite society in order to get justice. Sometimes we gotta go Batman, especially on those who know they can break the rules and not suffer consequences for it.

The loss of the actual Mona Lisa (in this universe) also throws out the reminder that some sacrifices might need to be made for it.

My only minor complaint is that the message is almost TOO obvious as to where that justice needs to be aimed, but as this movie was written and filmed before 2022, I'd say that's just a matter of unlucky coincidence that it got so obvious.

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Ruvan22
12/26/22 1:22:15 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Exactly. As Blanc said, all it took was courage.

The Disruptors were ready to turn on him. They just needed a push.

This is absolutely 100% the message of the movie.

Not all things in this world can be solved by following the rules. Whether those rules are the laws of society, polite social mores, or the conventions of detective fiction.

Blanc solved the case but at the end of the day, who cares? Bron can still get away with it because who will stop him?

Sometimes we have to break a convention or a civility or a bit of polite society in order to get justice. Sometimes we gotta go Batman, especially on those who know they can break the rules and not suffer consequences for it.

The loss of the actual Mona Lisa (in this universe) also throws out the reminder that some sacrifices might need to be made for it.

My only minor complaint is that the message is almost TOO obvious as to where that justice needs to be aimed, but as this movie was written and filmed before 2022, I'd say that's just a matter of unlucky coincidence that it got so obvious.

I like those summations. My minor gripe was that Daryl's presence/role was just a.. big red herring?
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TendoDRM
12/26/22 1:31:08 PM
#36:


Ruvan22 posted...
I like those summations. My minor gripe was that Daryl's presence/role was just a.. big red herring?

I think the fact he was so obviously a red herring that you expected him not to be played into the movie well.

I loved it, about the same as the first movie. Honestly my only problem has destroying the Mona Lisa.

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CyricZ
12/26/22 1:34:47 PM
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Ruvan22 posted...
My minor gripe was that Daryl's presence/role was just a.. big red herring?
Oh, I loved him. Nothing wrong with a good red herring in a mystery, especially when it's a guy as pleasant as Derol.

TendoDRM posted...
I loved it, about the same as the first movie. Honestly my only problem has destroying the Mona Lisa.
To unpack what I said earlier a bit more, I think there's a tendency for the abusive and powerful to hide behind tradition, history, and culture. I feel that's what the Mona Lisa represents. "You can't destroy this place I own! The Mona Lisa is in here!" It's the same as people who tie themselves to cultural and/or historical locations and artifacts, demanding respect and reverence for what they surround themselves with as a shield for their own actions.

To be perfectly honest, I was assuming up to the end that there would have been a reveal that the Mona Lisa Bron had was a fake, but for the message, I think it's more important that it was the real one.

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CyricZ
12/26/22 2:14:39 PM
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Also Ben Shapiro's being a piss baby about the movie.

https://twitter.com/bambooney/status/1607391507132157952

Not going to link directly to all of his screed because it has spoilers.

https://twitter.com/jonrosenberg/status/1607405040578199552

EDIT: One more:

https://twitter.com/EzraCubero/status/1607413239909859328

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darkprince45
12/26/22 2:20:43 PM
#39:


I enjoyed reading the Reddit threads about all the nods, clues, etc that I missed than I did watching the movie. I thought it was good but I liked the first one a lot more. Thought the last 10 minutes was kinda corny and required a lot of suspension of disbelief

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Rharyx211
12/26/22 2:56:38 PM
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Those Ben Shapiro tweets reminded me of that time he listed to Cardi B and tweeted that having a wet vagina is a medical condition.

What an absolute clown. You'd think it was satire.

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Kajagogo
12/26/22 3:01:18 PM
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I liked how Katheryn Hahn bumping into Bautista right before he died was a red herring misdirect.

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MICHALECOLE
12/26/22 3:03:38 PM
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I watched it last night and thought it was pretty good. First one was definitely better, and this one felt almost cartoonish, but it was a lot of fun
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CyricZ
12/27/22 1:17:17 PM
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Watched it again last night. So much stuff that takes place when you know what's going on. Just like KO, even better on a second watch.

Or you could just keep an eye on Kathryn Hahn throughout all of it because she's such a great background actor that it's like she's having her own movie lol.

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dancing_cactuar
12/27/22 4:33:04 PM
#44:


CyricZ posted...
Also Ben Shapiro's being a piss baby about the movie.

https://twitter.com/bambooney/status/1607391507132157952
Not saying I have a problem with the presence of a misdirect and to say it makes the first half a waste of time is fucking stupid, but I kinda feel the way it was executed in the film makes the middle third a big ol' exposition dump of sorts which is a bit of a pacing killer, especially the parts when we're seeing the same exact events again only from a different camera angle. Then again, I saw it back when it was in theaters a month ago so I may be misremembering some details and maybe on rewatch now I'd feel different, but I'm going off of memory here, it's still a good movie either way, and Shapiro's other critiques still show him being a dummy overall anyway.

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YellowSUV
12/27/22 4:40:48 PM
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Fun movie, but the intro was terrible. It was like a rapid fire barrage of the worst Marvel Movie "humor." Also some of the characters felt pointless, especially the scientist guy. You could remove him from the movie and nothing would change.

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CyricZ
12/27/22 4:44:18 PM
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dancing_cactuar posted...
Not saying I have a problem with the presence of a misdirect and to say it makes the first half a waste of time is fucking stupid, but I kinda feel the way it was executed in the film makes the middle third a big ol' exposition dump of sorts which is a bit of a pacing killer, especially the parts when we're seeing the same exact events again only from a different camera angle. Then again, I saw it back when it was in theaters a month ago so I may be misremembering some details and maybe on rewatch now I'd feel different, but I'm going off of memory here, it's still a good movie either way, and Shapiro's other critiques still show him being a dummy overall anyway.
You get a LOT more context on the 2nd third of the movie for stuff you saw in the 1st third.

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MaxEffingBemis
12/27/22 6:06:32 PM
#47:


I thought the writing in the first half was cringe. Too meta. Felt like it was written by someone that is extremely online. Acting was great but overall I thought it was kinda mid. It was fine. The first was much better.

Smashingpmkns posted...
I thought it was great and pretty prescient for something filmed in 2020.

it was filmed in 2021


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Bio1590
12/28/22 2:00:56 AM
#49:


YellowSUV posted...
Fun movie, but the intro was terrible. It was like a rapid fire barrage of the worst Marvel Movie "humor." Also some of the characters felt pointless, especially the scientist guy. You could remove him from the movie and nothing would change.

He was the one that knew that shit exploded.

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MICHALECOLE
12/28/22 2:10:37 AM
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Robots, obviously. They showed there was robots on the island
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