Board 8 > Why do people say "overtuned" now instead of "overpowered"

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Epyo
12/28/22 10:10:57 PM
#1:


Who's fault is this. Everyone says "overtuned" every five seconds, when they mean "overpowered". It's all I hear on the internet anymore.

"Overpowered" was a perfectly good word for this.

"Overtuned" could be a useful word, if you meant to say it's too balanced, and now it's uninteresting and not special. But that's not how people use it. They just mean "overpowered". Like, "this hero is so overtuned, they're basically a must-pick."

Is this asmongold's fault? I don't watch asmongold content but I have a feeling this is his fault somehow.

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12/28/22 10:12:26 PM
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No one has ever said this.

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Epyo
12/28/22 10:15:45 PM
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it's all over the WoW and overwatch communities. I'm thinking it started in wow and is bleeding from there.

it will happen to your game too, just a matter of time

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Lopen
12/28/22 10:18:22 PM
#4:


They're different words

Overtuned means conceptually it's fine but the numbers aren't properly thought out so it's too strong.

Overpowered means the concept itself isn't something that can be balanced because it fundamentally won't work no matter how much you nerf the numbers.

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Epyo
12/28/22 10:21:56 PM
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Lopen posted...
They're different words

Overtuned means conceptually it's fine but the numbers aren't properly thought out so it's too strong.

Overpowered means the concept itself isn't something that can be balanced because it fundamentally won't work no matter how much you nerf the numbers.

Are you sure those aren't just definitions you invented to stop getting frustrated by this? Because how would I ever know that's what the person is trying to say... Overpowered has meant "the numbers are too big" for like, 25 years for me.

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Lopen
12/28/22 10:25:00 PM
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Maybe

I don't doubt they're mistakenly used as synonyms but I do believe conceptually that was the difference.

It could be one of those things like literally where people misuse the word enough that the meaning is lost over time but yeah.

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Epyo
12/28/22 10:27:41 PM
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I will try to use your definitions for a couple months and see if I understand people better, maybe you're right.

(Although really, I don't think I've heard anyone say "overpowered" in quite a while, only the other word that must not be named.)

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TeamRocketElite
12/28/22 10:28:52 PM
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Overpowered just means something is too good. It can be because the backing numbers are too good. It can also be because the concept itself is fundimentally too good.

I feel like overtuned also just means too good but haven't seen it used often enough to be certain about the nuances. When someone says overtuned, I sort of picture a fighting game character whose moves are too fast, too safe and do too much damage. So perhaps it is a bit more focused on parameters.

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Lopen
12/28/22 10:37:17 PM
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I will say that it's possible overpowered is sort of a superset of overtuned and anything that is overtuned is overpowered. I do think overtuned is generally parameter specific though.

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Epyo
12/28/22 10:48:57 PM
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OH parameter specific, ok, I guess it would sound weird to say "this weapon's damage is overpowered" when all weapons do damage. You would probably wanna say "this weapon's damage is slightly too high", and I suppose you could say overtuned for that, to sound a little fancier.

I'll have to listen if people are actually using it that way. Maybe, people really are just getting more specific, about things they wanna complain about in video games.

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ChaosTonyV4
12/28/22 11:01:13 PM
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See Ive always considered overtuned to mean something different than overpowered.

Ive always considered something overtuned when a change is made that goes too far, and is not necessarily a buff.

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hockeydude15
12/28/22 11:05:15 PM
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Lopen posted...
They're different words

Overtuned means conceptually it's fine but the numbers aren't properly thought out so it's too strong.

Overpowered means the concept itself isn't something that can be balanced because it fundamentally won't work no matter how much you nerf the numbers.


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ZenOfThunder
12/28/22 11:13:37 PM
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No one has ever said this.


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CoolCly
12/29/22 4:29:20 AM
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I'm glad Lopen was able to educate you.

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Steiner
12/29/22 6:52:05 AM
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i don't play any games with a concept of balance this will never happen to me

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SHINE_GET_64
12/29/22 6:56:54 AM
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I've never heard anyone say overturned

But I also don't play WoW or Overwatch 2!

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Steiner
12/29/22 6:59:08 AM
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Epyo posted...
it will happen to your game too, just a matter of time

like are people going to start saying cloud is overtuned

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MoogleKupo141
12/29/22 7:01:33 AM
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overtuned is what you say when youre trying to sound smart while making some kind of constructive criticism, overpowered is what you say when something just killed you and youre mad

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Reg
12/29/22 7:26:58 AM
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For what it's worth, I feel like I only hear overtuned in communities for things that actively and (semi)regularly receive balance patches

Which I'm pretty sure jives with WoW and Overwatch specifically.
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xenosaga
12/29/22 10:28:09 AM
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I always took overtuned as the devs purposefully designed the content so that every player must play perfectly or you will lose and overpowered as more an unintentionally hard encounter or in reference to a playable character being OP.

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NBIceman
12/29/22 10:31:48 AM
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I can confirm I have seen "overtuned" thrown around a lot for Dota and League.

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FoolFantastic
12/29/22 10:35:20 AM
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I only see overtuned in reference to games with constant re-balancing.

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Aecioo
12/29/22 10:39:05 AM
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I can't imagine not knowing the difference between overtuned and overpowered, but I'm also a loser who has been playing competitive games with constant balance patches for the past 20 years

something can be overtuned which leads to it being overpowered

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redrocket
12/29/22 11:15:28 AM
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Epyo posted...
it's all over the WoW and overwatch communities. I'm thinking it started in wow and is bleeding from there.

it will happen to your game too, just a matter of time

Did you just start playing?

Because this has been a thing in those communities for many years.

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pjbasis
12/29/22 1:19:06 PM
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Steiner posted...
like are people going to start saying cloud is overtuned

this is exactly what they've been saying for years

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Steiner
12/29/22 2:41:41 PM
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pjbasis posted...
this is exactly what they've been saying for years
that's crazy, tifa cid and barret are all more powerful!

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VintageGin
12/29/22 3:16:49 PM
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I've definitely seen overtuned used as a synonym for overpowered, but not with a huge amount of regularity

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pjbasis
12/29/22 4:03:38 PM
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Steiner posted...
that's crazy, tifa cid and barret are all more powerful!

Those are just mii fighter skins

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SeabassDebeste
12/29/22 4:33:51 PM
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is "overtuned" ever used to describe something being overly nerfed?

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TeamRocketElite
12/29/22 4:38:53 PM
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There is "undertuned" for something like a new character being added to a game that isn't very good. I'm not sure if either is used for large nerfs.

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StealThisSheen
12/29/22 6:03:09 PM
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Yeah, I usually hear "overtuned" in games that get a lot of balance patches.

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azuarc
12/29/22 6:18:29 PM
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I have very seldom heard overtuned. Usually when I have, it's been in the context that a character's numbers are too extreme. They were tu(r)ned up beyond what they should have been. But it's hardly a ubiquitous word taking over parlance everywhere.

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Epyo
12/29/22 6:28:03 PM
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azuarc posted...
I have very seldom heard overtuned.

where seldom is heard, an overtuned word

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/29/22 7:24:43 PM
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FoolFantastic posted...
I only see overtuned in reference to games with constant re-balancing.

yeah I think it's really this simple

Or it's meant to imply you could fix it with a smaller tweak than something that is "broken" or "overpowered" but I think most of the time it's because you're playing a game with frequent balance updates (tuning)

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CoolCly
12/29/22 9:13:44 PM
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you guys are somehow really sheltered from the wider gaming community

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Ngamer
12/29/22 9:44:31 PM
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Reg posted...
For what it's worth, I feel like I only hear overtuned in communities for things that actively and (semi)regularly receive balance patches
I agree. I hear it in MOBAs where every balance patch is a chance to "tune" the characters perfectly, but sometimes their version of Icefrog gets a little too ambitious and a certain spell/attribute ends up overtuned. If the change results in a major winrate increase, then within a few days the complaints start coming in that this character is now officially overpowered and thus needs a nerf in the next patch.


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Lord_Ephraim
12/29/22 10:01:34 PM
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Overtuned is labelled as a character with way too much going for them. Individually their pieces might not be powerful but together it makes them unstoppable.

Overpowered is simply definined mostly by one or two traits/abilties that stand out among the rest of the cast.

It's possible to be overtuned and overpowered at the same time. T.G Cid from Final Fantasy Tactics can be considered both because of his bloated skillset (containing all of the ranged sword skills) with amazing stats and equipment pool to boot.

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foolm0r0n
12/29/22 11:51:35 PM
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Tuning to me is when you notice a weakness in a character and plug the hole, with a patch to change numbers, or whatever. You end up with fewer options against that character.

So overtuning is when a character is hard to play against because all the rough edges were sanded off. It's not just that character is strong or OP, but that they were made to counter all your specific strategies.

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BetrayedTangy
12/30/22 12:51:28 AM
#39:


CoolCly posted...
you guys are somehow really sheltered from the wider gaming community

To be fair most of this board does generally prefer single player games.

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Steiner
12/30/22 5:52:36 AM
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CoolCly posted...
you guys are somehow really sheltered from the wider gaming community
yes that's the point i've been trying to make. i basically don't play games with a community to speak of. i find that very concept completely offputting. i do play ff14 but i play it like a single player game with occasional bots. i'm under the impression my only outlying from the majority of board 8 in that respect is that i tolerate MMOs to a degree.

to me it's stranger that you'd come to the website about 90s RPGs to talk about modern multiplayer games. obviously we're disconnected, that's why we're on the website for 90s RPGs?

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GavsEvans123
12/31/22 1:58:02 PM
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I saw someone use the word overtuned outside of this topic for the first time today. From the context, they meant either overtuned as in "a character with way too much going for them", or as a synonym for overpowered.

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12/31/22 7:21:13 PM
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-hotdogturtle-- posted...
No one has ever said this.


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StealThisSheen
12/31/22 7:35:10 PM
#43:


CoolCly posted...
you guys are somehow really sheltered from the wider gaming community

This feels like a really weird, misplaced flex, given what GameFAQs is.

There is no "wider gaming community." Gaming is, even today, not a super wide, accepted thing. People super into MOBAs and shit aren't the "wider gaming community," they're just as niche as people super into old JRPGs and shit. The sooner "gamers" realize this and drop the gatekeeping nonsense, the better.

EDIT: Do you want to know what the actual "wider gaming community" is? People that play Farmville or Mario Kart Tour on their phones. Fortnite and Warzone players. Etc. People need to accept this, at some point.

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BK_Sheikah00
12/31/22 9:44:54 PM
#44:


If you're hearing this in WoW and Overwatch, sounds more like it came from Blizzard themselves to not look as bad for fucking up some numbers. "No guys, this is not overpowered. It's just overtuned." Etc.

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lordjers
12/31/22 11:41:43 PM
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Can't say I've heard it before or at least I don't remember, and I play WoW. It's a weird meaning too, as it sounds more like it's too perfect.

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01/01/23 12:05:28 AM
#46:


StealThisSheen posted...
EDIT: Do you want to know what the actual "wider gaming community" is? People that play Farmville or Mario Kart Tour on their phones. Fortnite and Warzone players. Etc. People need to accept this, at some point.


Blue shells are overtuned.

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Epyo
01/01/23 12:58:19 AM
#47:


lordjers posted...
Can't say I've heard it before or at least I don't remember, and I play WoW. It's a weird meaning too, as it sounds more like it's too perfect.

YEAH that's my problem with this word. When you tune a guitar, you can't overtune it. That's not a thing.

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hockeydude15
01/01/23 1:07:11 AM
#48:


Epyo posted...
YEAH that's my problem with this word. When you tune a guitar, you can't overtune it. That's not a thing.
But......that is a thing you can do.

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guffguy89
01/01/23 1:08:29 AM
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I read this as "overturned" for way too long and was very confused how that word could be interchangeable with "overpowered"

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lordjers
01/01/23 1:18:14 AM
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guffguy89 posted...
I read this as "overturned" for way too long and was very confused how that word could be interchangeable with "overpowered"

That would actually make more sense, steer too much in one direction and you end up turning the thing over/breaking it.

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