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s0nicfan
01/10/23 9:18:39 AM
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Alucard188 posted...
The key difference here being Biden's team found the documents and immediately turn them over.

FYI, the BBC article on this states that they found it 2 months ago before the midterms and withheld actually returning them until after the election:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64218179
Richard Sauber, special counsel to President Biden, said in a statement to CBS on Monday that the files were discovered just before the midterm elections by Biden attorneys who were clearing out the office space.

The Biden files were discovered shortly before the justice department announced it would appoint an independent lawyer to decide whether to criminally charge Mr Trump over the files found at his golf club.


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lolife67
01/10/23 9:18:52 AM
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yemmy posted...
So do we not need to investigate this further to make sure?

Is CE seriously gonna act like they wouldn't get their panties in a bunch of they were on the other side? Like just acting like 2015-2020 did not now exist I guess.
The Biden administration IS investigating this, genius. What point do you think you're proving here?
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Doom_Art
01/10/23 9:19:03 AM
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yemmy posted...
So do we not need to investigate this further to make sure?
I mean the Biden administration immediately launched an investigation into this so I'm not sure what more you're looking for here.


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RchHomieQuanChi
01/10/23 9:19:49 AM
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yemmy posted...
So do we not need to investigate this further to make sure?

Is CE seriously gonna act like they wouldn't get their panties in a bunch of they were on the other side? Like just acting like 2015-2020 did not now exist I guess.

They literally are investigating it lmao

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ZMythos
01/10/23 9:23:02 AM
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yemmy posted...
So do we not need to investigate this further to make sure?

Is CE seriously gonna act like they wouldn't get their panties in a bunch of they were on the other side? Like just acting like 2015-2020 did not now exist I guess.
The guy who just learned what "cognitive dissonance" means and wanted to use it in a CE post sure seems to be displaying some cognitive dissonance.

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pegusus123456
01/10/23 9:24:21 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
I mean the Biden administration immediately launched an investigation into this so I'm not sure what more you're looking for here.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...
They literally are investigating it lmao
The guy leading it was also appointed by Trump.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/10/23 9:24:22 AM
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Yemmy's never been known for having self-awareness, after all

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UnholyMudcrab
01/10/23 9:25:38 AM
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Careful, guys, or yemmy will pitch a fit and put you on his ignore list.

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Ruvan22
01/10/23 9:35:54 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
WTF we LOVE hoarding classified documents now!

Who exactly said that?
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Ruvan22
01/10/23 9:37:02 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
So it's ok for one to do it but not the other

I mean if two people do the exact same thing, which isn't the case here...
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bigblu89
01/10/23 9:41:18 AM
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Alucard188 posted...
You know Republicans won't care about nuance and context. They also won't see the difference between an office in Washington DC and a fucking golf course in Florida.

Nor will the voting public.

People need to realize that 90% of the voting public make their decision on 15 second video clips and tweets, people don't care about nuance.

I mean, a guy became president based on a catchy slogan that fed into people's sense of nationalism.

The optics of this is bad, regardless of the circumstances.

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FearlessMango
01/10/23 9:42:56 AM
#64:


s0nicfan posted...
FYI, the BBC article on this states that they found it 2 months ago before the midterms and withheld actually returning them until after the election:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64218179

that article also states:
A source familiar with the matter told CBS News the batch did not contain nuclear secrets and had been contained in a folder in a box with other unclassified papers.

Mr Sauber said: "Since that discovery [of the documents], the president's personal attorneys have co-operated with the [National] Archives and the Department of Justice in a process to ensure that any Obama-Biden Administration records are appropriately in the possession of the Archives."

it hasn't been a big deal because he actually cooperated to return it, and it doesn't sound like they held onto them for two months before turning it over, but rather it's taken two months for this story to come to light

it doesn't excuse the action since they've been harping about trump doing it, but they're at least cooperating rather than wasting years arguing back and forth before getting raided at the place of storage

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TheHoldSteady
01/10/23 9:56:04 AM
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bigblu89 posted...
The optics of this is bad, regardless of the circumstances.

Possibly

But I wonder if as far as elections go, we're past the point of changing minds and more into the territory of can enough Gen Z and millennials send in votes to make a difference.

I get that it looks bad optic-wise but I dunno if it's gonna make a discernable difference in the long run. Just gives Fox News something fresh to make boomers angry at for a while.


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Unsuprised_Pika
01/10/23 10:03:55 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
So it's ok for one to do it but not the other

Its not okay but the magnitude is light years apart. Biden's people found and willfully returned the documents.

Trump did not and willfully hoarded them on vast scale almost certainly with intent to use for personal likely unethical or criminal purposes. This was at his personal residence, mixed with things not even tangentially related to his work. He regularly invited large numbers of poorly or unvetted people to said residence including many foreigners, and seditionists some who have clear ties to hostile nations or criminal groups. He was 100% clearly informed and formally ordered to return them. He refused.


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ThisIsAKnoife
01/10/23 10:08:38 AM
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TheHoldSteady posted...
Possibly

But I wonder if as far as elections go, we're past the point of changing minds and more into the territory of can enough Gen Z and millennials send in votes to make a difference.

I get that it looks bad optic-wise but I dunno if it's gonna make a discernable difference in the long run. Just gives Fox News something fresh to make boomers angry at for a while.

24 hour news cycle. This will be quickly forgotten and replaced with a new scandal to make the Fox boomers angry like you said. Assuming it doesnt get the traction they want like Hunters laptop did.

Still surprised that one stuck as hard as it did. Guess they were surprised too given the amount of evidence getting lost they had to come up with.

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the_pika
01/10/23 10:14:05 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
So it's ok for one to do it but not the other

Wanna play that game? :

its ok bro, the GOP said documents can be declassified mentally, and I heard Obama declassified them all mentally with psychic waves like trump did, were good.
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the_pika
01/10/23 10:14:50 AM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Its not okay but the magnitude is light years apart. Biden's people found and willfully returned the documents.

Trump did not and willfully hoarded them on vast scale almost certainly with intent to use for personal likely unethical or criminal purposes. This was at his personal residence, mixed with things not even tangentially related to his work. He regularly invited large numbers of poorly or unvetted people to said residence including many foreigners, and seditionists some who have clear ties to hostile nations or criminal groups. He was 100% clearly informed and formally ordered to return them. He refused.

he knows, he knows. He is just doing the republican thing

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Doom_Art
01/10/23 10:17:21 AM
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You know how I'll make that topic every few months where I pretend to be a conservative/moderate and I'll say "conservatives have gone too far. I'm never voting for them again"

that's kinda what conservatives are doing ITT

"as an unbiased entity I'm telling you that this is bad"

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the_pika
01/10/23 10:21:14 AM
#73:


Doom_Art posted...
You know how I'll make that topic every few months where I pretend to be a conservative/moderate and I'll say "conservatives have gone too far. I'm never voting for them again"

that's kinda what conservatives are doing ITT

"as an unbiased entity I'm telling you that this is bad"

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ThePieReborn
01/10/23 10:32:06 AM
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Context and nuance are hard, yo.

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MelbuFrahma4
01/10/23 10:36:09 AM
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McCarthy has apparently responded

https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/mccarthy-biden-document-discovery-is-proof-dems-overplayed-their-hand-on-trump/

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy said Democrats overplayed their hand in how they criticized former President Donald Trump for keeping classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida in light of a report that sensitive records were found at a DC institute where President Biden once had an office. I just think it goes to prove what they tried to do to President Trump overplayed their hand on that, McCarthy (R-Calif.) told reporters Monday after the news broke about the documents discovered at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. Theyve been around even longer, McCarthy said, referring to Bidens staffers. President Trump had never been in office before and had just left, came out. Heres an individual who spent his last 40 years in office. It just shows that they were trying to be political with President Trump, he added.

McCarthy reacted incredulously when asked by reporters about the differences in the two cases because Bidens lawyers immediately turned the documents over to government officials. Oh, really? They just now found them after all those years, McCarthy said.

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ZevLoveDOOM
01/10/23 10:37:16 AM
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but its okay when Trump does it.

fucking hypocrites but hey, what else is new...
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BuckVanHammer
01/10/23 10:39:48 AM
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This wouldn't be a story if someone didn't have a hoard of them at a golf course.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/10/23 10:40:05 AM
#78:


MelbuFrahma4 posted...
McCarthy has apparently responded just now

https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/mccarthy-biden-document-discovery-is-proof-dems-overplayed-their-hand-on-trump/

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy said Democrats overplayed their hand in how they criticized former President Donald Trump for keeping classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida in light of a report that sensitive records were found at a DC institute where President Biden once had an office. I just think it goes to prove what they tried to do to President Trump overplayed their hand on that, McCarthy (R-Calif.) told reporters Monday after the news broke about the documents discovered at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. Theyve been around even longer, McCarthy said, referring to Bidens staffers. President Trump had never been in office before and had just left, came out. Heres an individual who spent his last 40 years in office. It just shows that they were trying to be political with President Trump, he added.

McCarthy reacted incredulously when asked by reporters about the differences in the two cases because Bidens lawyers immediately turned the documents over to government officials. Oh, really? They just now found them after all those years, McCarthy said.

Didn't this guy just have to go through 14 rounds of voting just to be elected House speaker because of Trumpers, now here he is defending Trump yet again.

Pure spinelessness

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Alucard188
01/10/23 10:42:57 AM
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MelbuFrahma4 posted...
McCarthy reacted incredulously when asked by reporters about the differences in the two cases because Bidens lawyers immediately turned the documents over to government officials. Oh, really? They just now found them after all those years, McCarthy said.

Did they know about them? Possibly. Can you prove that though? Supposing they did or didn't isn't good enough if you can't actually prove they did or didn't. That's what the investigation is for.

This is basically going to be like when Al Franken was forced to resign over acts of inappropriate sexual conduct, yet prominent Republican figures like Matt Gaetz and Donald Trump retained and maintained high seats of political power despite evidence of worse allegations. More proof that Republicans only care about power at all costs. Even if there is no story, they'll fabricate shit like Hillary's emails and Pizzagate.

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CableZL
01/10/23 10:55:59 AM
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Trump:
  • Stole thousands of government documents
  • Refused to give them back when NARA asked
  • Returned a few after a few months, declared that all were given back
  • NARA referred the case to the DoJ since they knew Trump still had lots of documents
  • FBI gets a search warrant
  • FBI finds lots of documents at Maralago
  • Trump lawyer who signed the declaration that all documents were previously returned gets a lawyer because she's now in legal jeopardy
  • Trump lawyers still won't state under oath that all documents were returned
  • More documents found in a storage locker after criminal investigation has already begun


Biden:
  • Biden's lawyers found less than 12 classified documents in Biden's old office
  • Biden's lawyers returned them to NARA immediately


But we're supposed to act like the two situations are exactly the same?

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K181
01/10/23 11:05:28 AM
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The GOP weaponizes anything and everything, be it real, exaggerated, or imagined.

Time will tell if this will stick, but my hunch is that this will just be red meat for the chuds that already weren't going to vote for Biden anyway.

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Doom_Art
01/10/23 11:06:00 AM
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Probably as effective as whatever shit they tried pulling in the midterms lol

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McMarbles
01/10/23 11:08:22 AM
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It's very concerning. I am very concerned. Are you not very concerned?

/s

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Alucard188
01/10/23 11:11:26 AM
#87:


K181 posted...
The GOP weaponizes anything and everything, be it real, exaggerated, or imagined.

Time will tell if this will stick, but my hunch is that this will just be red meat for the chuds that already weren't going to vote for Biden anyway.

I'm glad it came out midway through his presidential term, and not while he was seeking re-election. They have a real short-term memory for this type of stuff, and we saw Hunter Biden's laptop a veritable non issue for voters. I don't think this will ultimately have any teeth for the GOP to sink its teeth into. Not without looking like absolute numpties.

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Rathinor
01/10/23 11:27:16 AM
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K181 posted...
red meat for the chuds that already weren't going to vote for Biden anyway.
Like yemmy, Rambo and bluets
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Doom_Art
01/10/23 11:29:03 AM
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Rathinor posted...
Like yemmy, Rambo and bluets
Swing voters one and all, truly.

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The_Popo
01/10/23 11:30:26 AM
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Never underestimate the stupidity and manipulability of the public. Donald fucking Trump of all people wormed his way into the most powerful office on the planet.

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sabin017
01/10/23 11:31:18 AM
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when impeachment

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BigSLM1993
01/10/23 11:36:26 AM
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CableZL posted...
Trump:
* Stole thousands of government documents
* Refused to give them back when NARA asked
* Returned a few after a few months, declared that all were given back
* NARA referred the case to the DoJ since they knew Trump still had lots of documents
* FBI gets a search warrant
* FBI finds lots of documents at Maralago
* Trump lawyer who signed the declaration that all documents were previously returned gets a lawyer because she's now in legal jeopardy
* Trump lawyers still won't state under oath that all documents were returned
* More documents found in a storage locker after criminal investigation has already begun

Biden:
* Biden's lawyers found less than 12 classified documents in Biden's old office
* Biden's lawyers returned them to NARA immediately

But we're supposed to act like the two situations are exactly the same?
Both sides are corrupt /s
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Bleuets
01/10/23 11:37:33 AM
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Im down for that. Democrats, we got a deal?!
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Bleuets
01/10/23 11:38:58 AM
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Fuck yea!
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CableZL
01/10/23 12:13:49 PM
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Yeah, I mean... Republicans literally gathered en masse because they thought JFK, Jr. was going to come back from the dead. It's kinda hopeless.


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Kolibri_X
01/10/23 12:51:52 PM
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This is why you have to laugh whevenever Democrats pearl clutch over something Trump did; because they are already guilty of it themselves but worse. Worse because he wasn't even president at the time they were taken and allowed uncleared people to view them for years. UPenn also received 54 million in Chinese donations (23 million of that from anonymous Chinese donors) after the Biden Penn Center was announced in 2016. It would be more comical how shameless and hypocritical are if they weren't so dangerously corrupted.

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the_pika
01/10/23 12:56:31 PM
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Kolibri_X posted...
This is why you have to laugh whevenever Democrats pearl clutch over something Trump did; because they are already guilty of it themselves but worse. Worse because he wasn't even president at the time they were taken and allowed uncleared people to view them for years. UPenn also received 54 million in Chinese donations (23 million of that from anonymous Chinese donors) after the Biden Penn Center was announced in 2016. It would be more comical how shameless and hypocritical are if they weren't so dangerously corrupted.

this is right of the alt right playbook:

1) tangentially touch the point
2) pivot to a different topic hoping others argue against that point, successfully changing the topic

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