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ZMythos 01/10/23 9:22:03 AM #1:	Recently a teacher was shot by a 6 year old that brought a gun into the classroom. In a world where teachers were armed in classrooms, should the teacher have shot that 6 year old? Because that seems to be the motivation for the "arm teachers" advocates. But I just want to be sure that they believe shooting children is the solution and not, say, something else that removes guns from the situation entirely. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:970747209] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>Recently a teacher was shot by a 6 year old that brought a gun into the classroom. In a world where teachers were armed in classrooms, should the teacher have shot that 6 year old? Because that seems to be the motivation for the "arm teachers" advocates. But I just want to be sure that they believe shooting children is the solution and not, say, something else that removes guns from the situation entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_BlueMonk 01/10/23 9:28:02 AM #3:	job postings gonna be like Job Requirements -Establishing and enforcing rules of behavior for students in the classroom -Preparing lessons, units and projects to complete learning objectives -Establishing and communicating clear objectives for lessons, units and projects -Adapting teaching methods and materials to meet the interests and learning styles of students -Shooting and killing children who are a danger to you your students or just because. --- JISOO JISOO <cite>_BlueMonk posted [p:970747284] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>job postings gonna be like<quote>Job Requirements-Establishing and enforcing rules of behavior for students in the classroom-Preparing lessons, units and projects to complete learning objectives-Establishing and communicating clear objectives for lessons, units and projects-Adapting teaching methods and materials to meet the interests and learning styles of students-Shooting and killing children who are a danger to you your students or just because.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 01/10/23 9:30:51 AM #4:	I believe that if someone is shooting you or at you then defending yourself with deadly force is appropriate no matter the age of the assailant. I think this attempt at a gotcha is very disingenuous and also isn't accounting for the fact that the 6 year old child was a danger to other 6 year old students as well. Also I think that the overwhelming majority of people who advocate for arming teachers also advocate for armed guards and metal detectors at entrances so that 6 year olds can't get into the building with a gun in the first place. But a simple answer to your question, yes a teacher(or a cop, or a security guard) would be justified in shooting an active shooter, whether it be a 6 year old or not --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970747320] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>I believe that if someone is shooting you or at you then defending yourself with deadly force is appropriate no matter the age of the assailant. I think this attempt at a gotcha is very disingenuous and also isn't accounting for the fact that the 6 year old child was a danger to other 6 year old students as well. Also I think that the overwhelming majority of people who advocate for arming teachers also advocate for armed guards and metal detectors at entrances so that 6 year olds can't get into the building with a gun in the first place. But a simple answer to your question, yes a teacher(or a cop, or a security guard) would be justified in shooting an active shooter, whether it be a 6 year old or not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_BlueMonk 01/10/23 9:31:52 AM #5:	yemmy posted... I believe that if someone is shooting you or at you then defending yourself with deadly force is appropriate no matter the age of the assailant. I think this attempt at a gotcha is very disingenuous and also isn't accounting for the fact that the 6 year old child was a danger to other 6 year old students as well. Also I think that the overwhelming majority of people who advocate for arming teachers also advocate for armed guards and metal detectors at entrances so that 6 year olds can't get into the building with a gun in the first place. But a simple answer to your question, yes a teacher(or a cop, or a security guard) would be justified in shooting an active shooter, whether it be a 6 year old or not this is the future Republican wants shooting children. --- JISOO JISOO <cite>_BlueMonk posted [p:970747338] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite><quote>I believe that if someone is shooting you or at you then defending yourself with deadly force is appropriate no matter the age of the assailant. I think this attempt at a gotcha is very disingenuous and also isn't accounting for the fact that the 6 year old child was a danger to other 6 year old students as well. Also I think that the overwhelming majority of people who advocate for arming teachers also advocate for armed guards and metal detectors at entrances so that 6 year olds can't get into the building with a gun in the first place. But a simple answer to your question, yes a teacher(or a cop, or a security guard) would be justified in shooting an active shooter, whether it be a 6 year old or not</quote> this is the future Republican wantsshooting children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 01/10/23 9:32:34 AM #6:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] This. It's pointless to engage with right wingers like that. Everything they'll say will be disingenuous anyway. --- http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:970747348] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> This. It's pointless to engage with right wingers like that. Everything they'll say will be disingenuous anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 01/10/23 9:33:12 AM #7:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] God damn you're a fucking psychic. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:970747361] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> God damn you're a fucking psychic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 01/10/23 9:34:09 AM #8:	ZMythos posted... In a world where teachers were armed in classrooms, should the teacher have shot that 6 year old? I dont support arming teachers, but I know quite a few who live by the old saying: Its better to be tried by 12, than carried by six. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:970747384] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite><quote>In a world where teachers were armed in classrooms, should the teacher have shot that 6 year old? </quote>I dont support arming teachers, but I know quite a few who live by the old saying:Its better to be tried by 12, than carried by six.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 01/10/23 9:37:40 AM #9:	_BlueMonk posted... this is the future Republican wants shooting children. I said that the future that I want is that the kid not being allowed through the front door with a gun, and I said self defense using deadly force is justified regardless of the age of the assailant. But if your takeaway from that is that I want more kids shot then I guess go off --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970747428] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>_BlueMonk posted... </cite><quote>this is the future Republican wantsshooting children.</quote>I said that the future that I want is that the kid not being allowed through the front door with a gun, and I said self defense using deadly force is justified regardless of the age of the assailant.But if your takeaway from that is that I want more kids shot then I guess go off </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Divinehero 01/10/23 9:42:24 AM #10:	maybe if the guns they get only have rubber bullets... --- Every time I hear "The Big Bang Theory" I imagine God having sex with something and BOOM the Universe was created. - PatrickSim <cite>Divinehero posted [p:970747496] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>maybe if the guns they get only have rubber bullets... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 01/10/23 9:45:16 AM #11:	yemmy posted... I believe that if someone is shooting you or at you then defending yourself with deadly force is appropriate no matter the age of the assailant. I think this attempt at a gotcha is very disingenuous and also isn't accounting for the fact that the 6 year old child was a danger to other 6 year old students as well. Also I think that the overwhelming majority of people who advocate for arming teachers also advocate for armed guards and metal detectors at entrances so that 6 year olds can't get into the building with a gun in the first place. But a simple answer to your question, yes a teacher(or a cop, or a security guard) would be justified in shooting an active shooter, whether it be a 6 year old or not So you dont prefer a solution that prevents the 6 year old from ever gaining access to the gun, is what you're saying. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:970747545] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite><quote>I believe that if someone is shooting you or at you then defending yourself with deadly force is appropriate no matter the age of the assailant. I think this attempt at a gotcha is very disingenuous and also isn't accounting for the fact that the 6 year old child was a danger to other 6 year old students as well. Also I think that the overwhelming majority of people who advocate for arming teachers also advocate for armed guards and metal detectors at entrances so that 6 year olds can't get into the building with a gun in the first place. But a simple answer to your question, yes a teacher(or a cop, or a security guard) would be justified in shooting an active shooter, whether it be a 6 year old or not</quote>So you dont prefer a solution that prevents the 6 year old from ever gaining access to the gun, is what you're saying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 01/10/23 9:47:46 AM #12:	The upside of arming teachers is you won't see parents screaming at them for teaching kids about slavery and sex ed. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/0EJvC4l.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:970747580] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>The upside of arming teachers is you won't see parents screaming at them for teaching kids about slavery and sex ed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 01/10/23 10:21:02 AM #13:	TheOtherMike posted... So you dont prefer a solution that prevents the 6 year old from ever gaining access to the gun, is what you're saying. That isn't what I said at all. The parents should obviously be held responsible. A 6 year old should not have had the gun. However, some parents fucking suck. I do not believe in disarming the public because some parents are shitty, if that is what you are inferring. I do believe in punishing them for breaking the law (which they did). --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970748120] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>So you dont prefer a solution that prevents the 6 year old from ever gaining access to the gun, is what you're saying.</quote>That isn't what I said at all. The parents should obviously be held responsible. A 6 year old should not have had the gun. However, some parents fucking suck.I do not believe in disarming the public because some parents are shitty, if that is what you are inferring. I do believe in punishing them for breaking the law (which they did).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 01/10/23 10:24:55 AM #14:	_BlueMonk posted... job postings gonna be like I didnt get the middle school teacher position. I have a PhD in education with a 4.0 GPA, 9 years of teaching middle school, 9 recommendations and my previous students built me a shrine, and I am ok with the 7.5$ USD per hour pay, but I failed the sharpshooting test and I was told I lack fire weapon experience and hostage situation skills. Oh well Im making twice as much bartending anyway <cite>the_pika posted [p:970748174] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>_BlueMonk posted... </cite><quote>job postings gonna be like</quote>I didnt get the middle school teacher position. I have a PhD in education with a 4.0 GPA, 9 years of teaching middle school, 9 recommendations and my previous students built me a shrine, and I am ok with the 7.5$ USD per hour pay, but I failed the sharpshooting test and I was told I lack fire weapon experience and hostage situation skills. Oh well Im making twice as much bartending anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 01/10/23 10:28:44 AM #15:	the_pika posted... I didnt get the middle school teacher position. I have a PhD in education with a 4.0 GPA, 9 years of teaching middle school, 9 recommendations and my previous students built me a shrine, and I am ok with the 7.5$ USD per hour pay, but I failed the sharpshooting test and I was told I lack fire weapon experience and hostage situation skills. Oh well Im making twice as much bartending anyway I've NEVER seen any pro 2A people suggest we FORCE teachers to be armed. I've seen it brought up as an option for teachers to be armed, not that it is a requirement. So yeah keep talking about people that don't exist --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970748227] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>I didnt get the middle school teacher position. I have a PhD in education with a 4.0 GPA, 9 years of teaching middle school, 9 recommendations and my previous students built me a shrine, and I am ok with the 7.5$ USD per hour pay, but I failed the sharpshooting test and I was told I lack fire weapon experience and hostage situation skills. Oh well Im making twice as much bartending anyway</quote>I've NEVER seen any pro 2A people suggest we FORCE teachers to be armed. I've seen it brought up as an option for teachers to be armed, not that it is a requirement. So yeah keep talking about people that don't exist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 01/10/23 10:31:46 AM #16:	the assertion that the solution to gun violence is more guns, whatever the details you want to fill in for that, will always be the single most stupidest fucking thing anyone can ever say in the debate about gun violence --- It don't matter. None of this matters. <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:970748275] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>the assertion that the solution to gun violence is more guns, whatever the details you want to fill in for that, will always be the single most stupidest fucking thing anyone can ever say in the debate about gun violence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 01/10/23 10:35:56 AM #17:	yemmy posted... That isn't what I said at all. It is when you ignore the final paragraph of the op and close your reply by saying that yes, shooting an active shooter who's 6 years old is an acceptable outcome. yemmy posted... I do not believe in disarming the public because some parents are shitty, if that is what you are inferring. I would be implying. You would be inferring. And no, I didn't imply that. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:970748345] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite><quote>That isn't what I said at all.</quote>It is when you ignore the final paragraph of the op and close your reply by saying that yes, shooting an active shooter who's 6 years old is an acceptable outcome.yemmy posted... </cite><quote>I do not believe in disarming the public because some parents are shitty, if that is what you are inferring.</quote>I would be implying. You would be inferring. And no, I didn't imply that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yemmy 01/10/23 11:12:10 AM #19:	TheOtherMike posted... It is when you ignore the final paragraph of the op and close your reply by saying that yes, shooting an active shooter who's 6 years old is an acceptable outcome. I didn't ignore anything in the op. My whole paragraph about having metal detectors and guards at the door would had prevented this situation entirely, with or without dumb ass parents leaving guns out for 6 year olds(and ironically, the need to have armed teachers). But I'll tell you what I am ignoring, and that is TheOtherMike. --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970749063] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>It is when you ignore the final paragraph of the op and close your reply by saying that yes, shooting an active shooter who's 6 years old is an acceptable outcome.</quote>I didn't ignore anything in the op. My whole paragraph about having metal detectors and guards at the door would had prevented this situation entirely, with or without dumb ass parents leaving guns out for 6 year olds(and ironically, the need to have armed teachers).But I'll tell you what I am ignoring, and that is TheOtherMike. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 01/10/23 11:15:44 AM #20:	Maybe we should employ wizards who have the power to make guns in America magically disappear. I don't like the thought of metal detectors in school doorways and armed guards in the hallway, but it's a far more realistic solution than "guns have got to go." There are literally more firearms than people in the US. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:970749139] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>Maybe we should employ wizards who have the power to make guns in America magically disappear.I don't like the thought of metal detectors in school doorways and armed guards in the hallway, but it's a far more realistic solution than "guns have got to go." There are literally more firearms than people in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 01/10/23 11:17:56 AM #21:	FortuneCookie posted... Maybe we should employ wizards who have the power to make guns in America magically disappear. I don't like the thought of metal detectors in school doorways and armed guards in the hallway, but it's a far more realistic solution than "guns have got to go." There are literally more firearms than people in the US. more guns is NOT A solution --- It don't matter. None of this matters. <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:970749176] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>Maybe we should employ wizards who have the power to make guns in America magically disappear.I don't like the thought of metal detectors in school doorways and armed guards in the hallway, but it's a far more realistic solution than "guns have got to go." There are literally more firearms than people in the US.</quote>more guns is NOT A solution</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 01/10/23 11:44:15 AM #22:	yemmy posted... I didn't ignore anything in the op. ZMythos posted... But I just want to be sure that they believe shooting children is the solution and not, say, something else that removes guns from the situation entirely. This paragraph. You didn't actually answer this. yemmy posted... My whole paragraph about having metal detectors and guards at the door would had prevented this situation entirely Metal detectors create a choke point, which is a target for violence. They've been shown to decrease academic performance. They're extremely expensive to purchase and maintain. Metal detectors at every school is a wildly unrealistic and fiscally irresponsible pipe dream. yemmy posted... But I'll tell you what I am ignoring, and that is TheOtherMike. Awfully thin skinned if you're resorting to the ignore function because someone pointed out something you actually did. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:970749772] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite><quote>I didn't ignore anything in the op.</quote>ZMythos posted... </cite><quote>But I just want to be sure that they believe shooting children is the solution and not, say, something else that removes guns from the situation entirely.</quote>This paragraph. You didn't actually answer this.yemmy posted... </cite><quote>My whole paragraph about having metal detectors and guards at the door would had prevented this situation entirely</quote>Metal detectors create a choke point, which is a target for violence. They've been shown to decrease academic performance. They're extremely expensive to purchase and maintain. Metal detectors at every school is a wildly unrealistic and fiscally irresponsible pipe dream.yemmy posted... </cite><quote>But I'll tell you what I am ignoring, and that is TheOtherMike.</quote>Awfully thin skinned if you're resorting to the ignore function because someone pointed out something you actually did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 01/10/23 11:56:47 AM #23:	DoesntMatter posted... more guns is NOT A solution There isn't a solution. Hunger may have a solution. Disease may have a solution. Gun violence in America is something that can only run its course. If you try and take guns away, people who value their firearms more than human life will just keep them in secret or use them on innocent people in retaliation for having "their rights" taken from them. Besides, the police don't want to be tasked going door to door collecting guns because they know that many of them will be shot at and killed too. It will be at least three generations before we see an America in which gun violence is not a daily reality. In the interim, being ready for the threat of violence makes more since than hoping it doesn't happen again. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:970750066] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>more guns is NOT A solution</quote>There isn't a solution. Hunger may have a solution. Disease may have a solution. Gun violence in America is something that can only run its course. If you try and take guns away, people who value their firearms more than human life will just keep them in secret or use them on innocent people in retaliation for having "their rights" taken from them. Besides, the police don't want to be tasked going door to door collecting guns because they know that many of them will be shot at and killed too.It will be at least three generations before we see an America in which gun violence is not a daily reality. In the interim, being ready for the threat of violence makes more since than hoping it doesn't happen again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 01/10/23 11:57:09 AM #24:	I don't know what to say. America isn't a nation of rabbits. It's a nation of wolves. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:970750077] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>I don't know what to say. America isn't a nation of rabbits. It's a nation of wolves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 01/10/23 11:58:02 AM #25:	Arm the kindergarten teachers with pitbulls <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:970750102] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>Arm the kindergarten teachers with pitbulls</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 01/10/23 12:06:51 PM #26:	DoesntMatter posted... more guns is NOT A solution Why don't you want kids to be protected while they are in school? You must want more kids to die in school if you're against having more measures to protect them. See I can this too. Ironically though, my solution is a lot more feasible than disarming the populace, which is what everyone else is apparently in favor of (well except for TheOtherMike, he said he wasn't implying that, I guess his solution was to do nothing). --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970750308] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>more guns is NOT A solution</quote>Why don't you want kids to be protected while they are in school? You must want more kids to die in school if you're against having more measures to protect them. See I can this too. Ironically though, my solution is a lot more feasible than disarming the populace, which is what everyone else is apparently in favor of (well except for TheOtherMike, he said he wasn't implying that, I guess his solution was to do nothing). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 01/10/23 12:10:01 PM #27:	FortuneCookie posted... There isn't a solution. Hunger may have a solution. Disease may have a solution. Gun violence in America is something that can only run its course. If you try and take guns away, people who value their firearms more than human life will just keep them in secret or use them on innocent people in retaliation for having "their rights" taken from them. Besides, the police don't want to be tasked going door to door collecting guns because they know that many of them will be shot at and killed too. It will be at least three generations before we see an America in which gun violence is not a daily reality. In the interim, being ready for the threat of violence makes more since than hoping it doesn't happen again. just because something isn't going to be 100% effective immediately doesn't mean that it's not a solution worth working towards, or that we should work towards something going the opposite way instead. jfc, this is the same kind of rhetoric that anti-vaxxers use because vaccines aren't 100% effective immediately so therefore we should all just eat horse paste instead. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:970750388] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>There isn't a solution. Hunger may have a solution. Disease may have a solution. Gun violence in America is something that can only run its course. If you try and take guns away, people who value their firearms more than human life will just keep them in secret or use them on innocent people in retaliation for having "their rights" taken from them. Besides, the police don't want to be tasked going door to door collecting guns because they know that many of them will be shot at and killed too.It will be at least three generations before we see an America in which gun violence is not a daily reality. In the interim, being ready for the threat of violence makes more since than hoping it doesn't happen again.</quote>just because something isn't going to be 100% effective immediately doesn't mean that it's not a solution worth working towards, or that we should work towards something going the opposite way instead. jfc, this is the same kind of rhetoric that anti-vaxxers use because vaccines aren't 100% effective immediately so therefore we should all just eat horse paste instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 01/10/23 12:10:32 PM #28:	yemmy posted... Why don't you want kids to be protected while they are in school? fuck off guns are the reason that kids are in danger in school --- It don't matter. None of this matters. <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:970750402] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite><quote>Why don't you want kids to be protected while they are in school?</quote>fuck offguns are the reason that kids are in danger in school</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 01/10/23 12:19:24 PM #29:	DoesntMatter posted... fuck off guns are the reason that kids are in danger in school You should quit blaming inanimate objects on the vile and cruel acts of your fellow human beings. I'd bet money you're not against the government enforcing it's politics via the threat of guns but you're against any person's individual right to defend themselves with one. Well unless you're an anarchist, but anarchists don't believe the state has power to decide who has guns and who doesn't. So where does that leave you on the political spectrum? Who do you think should have guns, and who should not? --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970750663] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>fuck offguns are the reason that kids are in danger in school</quote>You should quit blaming inanimate objects on the vile and cruel acts of your fellow human beings. I'd bet money you're not against the government enforcing it's politics via the threat of guns but you're against any person's individual right to defend themselves with one.Well unless you're an anarchist, but anarchists don't believe the state has power to decide who has guns and who doesn't. So where does that leave you on the political spectrum? Who do you think should have guns, and who should not? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PowerOats 01/10/23 12:20:50 PM #30:	Pop quiz bout to have a whole new meaning <cite>PowerOats posted [p:970750694] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>Pop quiz bout to have a whole new meaning</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 01/10/23 12:23:53 PM #32:	It's hilarious how big a spectacle he makes of ignoring people after they hurt his feelings. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:970750761] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>It's hilarious how big a spectacle he makes of ignoring people after they hurt his feelings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 01/10/23 12:26:00 PM #33:	yemmy posted... You should quit blaming inanimate objects on the vile and cruel acts of your fellow human beings. I'd bet money you're not against the government enforcing it's politics via the threat of guns but you're against any person's individual right to defend themselves with one. Well unless you're an anarchist, but anarchists don't believe the state has power to decide who has guns and who doesn't. So where does that leave you on the political spectrum? Who do you think should have guns, and who should not? fuck. off. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:970750812] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite><quote>You should quit blaming inanimate objects on the vile and cruel acts of your fellow human beings. I'd bet money you're not against the government enforcing it's politics via the threat of guns but you're against any person's individual right to defend themselves with one.Well unless you're an anarchist, but anarchists don't believe the state has power to decide who has guns and who doesn't. So where does that leave you on the political spectrum? Who do you think should have guns, and who should not?</quote>fuck. off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkProto05 01/10/23 12:28:01 PM #34:	This is such a stupid gotcha scenario. You would advocate a 6 year old being shot you evil person? Yes, yes I would. Hes a danger to that teacher and the other kids. I swear some of you dont use logic. --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:970750865] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>This is such a stupid gotcha scenario. You would advocate a 6 year old being shot you evil person? Yes, yes I would. Hes a danger to that teacher and the other kids. I swear some of you dont use logic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoesntMatter 01/10/23 12:29:40 PM #36:	DarkProto05 posted... This is such a stupid gotcha scenario. You would advocate a 6 year old being shot you evil person? Yes, yes I would. Hes a danger to that teacher and the other kids. I swear some of you dont use logic. the only people who aren't using logic are the people who are saying that kid not having access to a gun in the first place isn't the solution, and that the solution instead is to give more people more guns --- It don't matter. None of this matters. <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:970750919] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DarkProto05 posted... </cite><quote>This is such a stupid gotcha scenario. You would advocate a 6 year old being shot you evil person? Yes, yes I would. Hes a danger to that teacher and the other kids. I swear some of you dont use logic.</quote>the only people who aren't using logic are the people who are saying that kid not having access to a gun in the first place isn't the solution, and that the solution instead is to give more people more guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 01/10/23 12:30:03 PM #37:	only cops can be trusted to have guns --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:970750929] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>only cops can be trusted to have guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkProto05 01/10/23 12:34:29 PM #38:	DoesntMatter posted... the only people who aren't using logic are the people who are saying that kid not having access to a gun in the first place isn't the solution, and that the solution instead is to give more people more guns If we could wish upon 7 dragonballs for all guns in America to disappear, Im all for it. But that aint happening so what do you propose? --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:970751045] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>the only people who aren't using logic are the people who are saying that kid not having access to a gun in the first place isn't the solution, and that the solution instead is to give more people more guns</quote>If we could wish upon 7 dragonballs for all guns in America to disappear, Im all for it. But that aint happening so what do you propose?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 01/10/23 12:35:13 PM #39:	DarkProto05 posted... This is such a stupid gotcha scenario. You would advocate a 6 year old being shot you evil person? Yes, yes I would. Hes a danger to that teacher and the other kids. I swear some of you dont use logic. This is absolutely nothing like what's in the op. What do you think you gain by so wildly misrepresenting what we've all read? Which is preferable: Shooting a 6 year old in self defense, or the 6 year old never having access to the gun in the first place? --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:970751066] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DarkProto05 posted... </cite><quote>This is such a stupid gotcha scenario. You would advocate a 6 year old being shot you evil person? Yes, yes I would. Hes a danger to that teacher and the other kids. I swear some of you dont use logic.</quote>This is absolutely nothing like what's in the op. What do you think you gain by so wildly misrepresenting what we've all read?Which is preferable: Shooting a 6 year old in self defense, or the 6 year old never having access to the gun in the first place? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkProto05 01/10/23 12:48:14 PM #41:	TheOtherMike posted... This is absolutely nothing like what's in the op. What do you think you gain by so wildly misrepresenting what we've all read? Which is preferable: Shooting a 6 year old in self defense, or the 6 year old never having access to the gun in the first place? Of course Im all for them never having access. But whats your solution. This goes back to the dragonball statement. --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:970751378] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>This is absolutely nothing like what's in the op. What do you think you gain by so wildly misrepresenting what we've all read?Which is preferable: Shooting a 6 year old in self defense, or the 6 year old never having access to the gun in the first place?</quote>Of course Im all for them never having access. But whats your solution. This goes back to the dragonball statement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 01/10/23 12:51:24 PM #42:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] bingo. then they say that teachers are people with guns so they cant trust a gun to a black/brown/lgbtq/liberal so all teachers should be MAGA-approved <cite>the_pika posted [p:970751449] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> bingo.then they say that teachers are people with guns so they cant trust a gun to a black/brown/lgbtq/liberal so all teachers should be MAGA-approved </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 01/10/23 12:56:15 PM #43:	Hey question for a bunch of people I believe to be morons: could you please tell me some bullshit? I don't really respect you or your opinions, and I know anything you tell me will be in bad faith, but let's go through those motions anyways. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:970751537] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>Hey question for a bunch of people I believe to be morons: could you please tell me some bullshit? I don't really respect you or your opinions, and I know anything you tell me will be in bad faith, but let's go through those motions anyways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 01/10/23 12:56:46 PM #44:	DarkProto05 posted... But whats your solution. Gun registration. Mandate safer storage practices with a gun safe/locker and/or trigger guard with additional penalties if minors live in the home. Education initiatives to inform parents of the statistical dangers of keeping guns in homes with children. Public perception needs to shift on this, and that starts with understanding that the gun in your home is more likely to kill a member of your family than it is to protect them. Education initiatives to teach school children of the dangers of guns. If the parents won't teach their kids gun safety, make it part of the curriculum. Would be a great start. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:970751545] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DarkProto05 posted... </cite><quote>But whats your solution.</quote>Gun registration.Mandate safer storage practices with a gun safe/locker and/or trigger guard with additional penalties if minors live in the home.Education initiatives to inform parents of the statistical dangers of keeping guns in homes with children. Public perception needs to shift on this, and that starts with understanding that the gun in your home is more likely to kill a member of your family than it is to protect them.Education initiatives to teach school children of the dangers of guns. If the parents won't teach their kids gun safety, make it part of the curriculum.Would be a great start.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoesntMatter 01/10/23 1:00:10 PM #45:	DarkProto05 posted... If we could wish upon 7 dragonballs for all guns in America to disappear, Im all for it. But that aint happening so what do you propose? DoesntMatter posted... just because something isn't going to be 100% effective immediately doesn't mean that it's not a solution worth working towards, or that we should work towards something going the opposite way instead. jfc, this is the same kind of rhetoric that anti-vaxxers use because vaccines aren't 100% effective immediately so therefore we should all just eat horse paste instead. --- It don't matter. None of this matters. <cite>DoesntMatter posted [p:970751631] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DarkProto05 posted... </cite><quote>If we could wish upon 7 dragonballs for all guns in America to disappear, Im all for it. But that aint happening so what do you propose?</quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>just because something isn't going to be 100% effective immediately doesn't mean that it's not a solution worth working towards, or that we should work towards something going the opposite way instead. jfc, this is the same kind of rhetoric that anti-vaxxers use because vaccines aren't 100% effective immediately so therefore we should all just eat horse paste instead.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RamboCell29 01/10/23 1:00:32 PM #46:	I'm as progun as anyone here, if not more, and I think arming teachers is stupid. That is what security officers are for. --- Sell the team Dan <cite>RamboCell29 posted [p:970751643] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>I'm as progun as anyone here, if not more, and I think arming teachers is stupid.That is what security officers are for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meestermj 01/10/23 1:02:03 PM #47:	TheOtherMike posted... Gun registration. Mandate safer storage practices with a gun safe/locker and/or trigger guard with additional penalties if minors live in the home. These two right here. IMO every single gun owner should be subject to a yearly surprise spot check to ensure safe storage. Gun isn't locked up sufficiently? Confiscated for a period of X time and a fine. If anyone thinks there isn't a way toproperly regulate guns, you are in fact completely wrong. --- Psn: beastlytoast Left-handed fire-slapsies leave me feeling confused about life. - Merydia <cite>meestermj posted [p:970751680] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>Gun registration.Mandate safer storage practices with a gun safe/locker and/or trigger guard with additional penalties if minors live in the home.</quote>These two right here.IMO every single gun owner should be subject to a yearly surprise spot check to ensure safe storage.Gun isn't locked up sufficiently? Confiscated for a period of X time and a fine.If anyone thinks there isn't a way toproperly regulate guns, you are in fact completely wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcrasternus 01/10/23 1:24:14 PM #48:	TheOtherMike posted... understanding that the gun in your home is more likely to kill a member of your family than it is to protect them The study where this quote most commonly stems from fails to establish whether or not the firearm even belonged to the homeowner during an incident. I fully agree on the effort to educate more people about their rights and the responsibilities that come with them however. Also gun registrations have historically led to gun confiscations. Austrailia comes to mind, and now Canada is banning the sale of several firearm models, including hunting variants. --- 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:970752174] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite><quote>understanding that the gun in your home is more likely to kill a member of your family than it is to protect them</quote>The study where this quote most commonly stems from fails to establish whether or not the firearm even belonged to the homeowner during an incident. I fully agree on the effort to educate more people about their rights and the responsibilities that come with them however.Also gun registrations have historically led to gun confiscations. Austrailia comes to mind, and now Canada is banning the sale of several firearm models, including hunting variants. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 01/10/23 1:28:37 PM #49:	DoesntMatter posted... the only people who aren't using logic are the people who are saying that kid not having access to a gun in the first place isn't the solution, and that the solution instead is to give more people more guns yemmy posted... Who do you think should have guns, and who should not? --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970752275] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>DoesntMatter posted... </cite><quote>the only people who aren't using logic are the people who are saying that kid not having access to a gun in the first place isn't the solution, and that the solution instead is to give more people more guns</quote>yemmy posted... </cite><quote>Who do you think should have guns, and who should not?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 01/10/23 1:35:09 PM #50:	RamboCell29 posted... I'm as progun as anyone here, if not more, and I think arming teachers is stupid. That is what security officers are for. That doesn't matter, statists are against increased armed security in schools AND the ability for teachers to arm themselves, at least until private ownership of guns is abolished. If we had more armed guards and metal detectors in schools, these things wouldn't happen, so they'd have less justification to disarm the populace. So who is the monster here? The people who want increased security in schools or the people who think these things should just keep happening until we decide that regular joes aren't to be trusted with guns anymore? Think about that for a second. --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:970752402] in Question f... [t:80307214]...</cite> <quote>RamboCell29 posted... </cite><quote>I'm as progun as anyone here, if not more, and I think arming teachers is stupid.That is what security officers are for.</quote>That doesn't matter, statists are against increased armed security in schools AND the ability for teachers to arm themselves, at least until private ownership of guns is abolished. If we had more armed guards and metal detectors in schools, these things wouldn't happen, so they'd have less justification to disarm the populace. So who is the monster here? The people who want increased security in schools or the people who think these things should just keep happening until we decide that regular joes aren't to be trusted with guns anymore? Think about that for a second.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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