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This place is so strange

Theyre stupid.

I do not intend to misgender, but in general in most sports have statistics than the top men usually perform better than the top women. Now that doesn't mean women are bad or that all men are good, but in general men and women who undergo similar training will have a disparity in results. That doesn't give a reason to misgender, but being born male make you more likely to perform better

https://www.openwaterswimming.com/how-fast-are-women-relative-to-men-in/

Want to find any post transition evidence to what youre claiming?

Being born male isn't what does it. It's the extended effect of hormones you have while growing up.

The actual study was published in a British journal I can't get a link to right now but here's an article about it.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-10-transgender-women-heart-lung-capacity-strength.html

This may explain why there was a massive disparity in swimming due to the importance of breathing in that sport. There's a lot more to athleticism than muscularity and skeletal structure.

Of course this is preventable by supporting transitions at an early age but people who are most vocal about "the integrity of women's sports" are also very vocal about shitting on transgender rights.

And so you have this trans woman beating everyone in swimming by design so that those assholes can use it as further proof why rights needs to be stripped from trans youth and their parents.

'established science'

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None of you claiming 'science' as a defense of your hate likely even know the relevant science here

Results Participants were 26.2 years old (SD 5.5). Prior to gender affirming hormones, transwomen performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in 1 min and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster than their female counterparts. After 2 years of taking feminising hormones, the push-up and sit-up differences disappeared but transwomen were still 12% faster. Prior to gender affirming hormones, transmen performed 43% fewer push-ups and ran 1.5 miles 15% slower than their male counterparts. After 1 year of taking masculinising hormones, there was no longer a difference in push-ups or run times, and the number of sit-ups performed in 1 min by transmen exceeded the average performance of their male counterparts.

The inclusion of elite transwomen athletes in sport is controversial. The recent International Olympic Committee (IOC) (2015) guidelines allow transwomen to compete in the womens division if (amongst other things) their testosterone is held below 10 nmol/L. This is significantly higher than that of cis-women. Science demonstrates that high testosterone and other male physiology provides a performance advantage in sport suggesting that transwomen retain some of that advantage. To determine whether the advantage is unfair necessitates an ethical analysis of the principles of inclusion and fairness. Particularly important is whether the advantage held by transwomen is a tolerable or intolerable unfairness. We conclude that the advantage to transwomen afforded by the IOC guidelines is an intolerable unfairness. This does not mean transwomen should be excluded from elite sport but that the existing male/female categories in sport should be abandoned in favour of a more nuanced approach satisfying both inclusion and fairness.

Thigh muscle volume increased (15%) in TM, which was paralleled by increased quadriceps cross-sectional area (CSA) (15%) and radiological density (6%). In TW, the corresponding parameters decreased by 5% (muscle volume) and 4% (CSA), while density remained unaltered. The TM increased strength over the assessment period, while the TW generally maintained their strength levels.

We report that the performance gap between males and females becomes significant at puberty and often amounts to 10-50% depending on sport. The performance gap is more pronounced in sporting activities relying on muscle mass and explosive strength, particularly in the upper body. Longitudinal studies examining the effects of testosterone suppression on muscle mass and strength in transgender women consistently show very modest changes, where the loss of lean body mass, muscle area and strength typically amounts to approximately 5% after 12 months of treatment. Thus, the muscular advantage enjoyed by transgender women is only minimally reduced when testosterone is suppressed.

so let trans girls/women start transitioning before puberty

that way there's no male puberty messing shit up

The argument seems to be that transwomen have an "unfair advantage", but that's incredibly sexist and flies in the face of everything feminists stand for.

What these ciswomen are essentially saying is "yeah, we can't hold a candle to men or even former men"

1. The implication always seems to be that someone would actually change their body and life so that they can finally place in e.g. women's swimming, a sport most people don't care about is idiotic and while it potentially applies to some people, they're outliers.
2. The difference between Derrick Henry and me at age 15 is far greater than my "natural physical advantage" over women was at that age. The reality is that a lot of sports aren't just "work hard and you can be the best" and if it so happens that someone who transitioned to female in your sport happens to be better...it's basically no different than another woman who just happened to be born with better genetics than you.

2. The difference between Derrick Henry and me at age 15 is far greater than my "natural physical advantage" over women was at that age. The reality is that a lot of sports aren't just "work hard and you can be the best" and if it so happens that someone who transitioned to female in your sport happens to be better...it's basically no different than another woman who just happened to be born with better genetics than you.

Oh look, another person who crows about science that actually doesnt support their assertions because they dont even know any of the science.

You thought you had a gotcha, didnt you? Didnt you?

As a gay man

What these ciswomen are essentially saying is "yeah, we can't hold a candle to men or even former men"

I think it's because "Maybe my kid will be a top level 1% sports star and then I can buy a million dollar house and a Tesstarosa" people putting that egg in their basket and getting upset about possible 'cheaters'.

...for womens sports?

https://www.outkick.com/trans-hs-volleyball-player-that-injured-female-opponent-posts-highlight-reel/

https://www.outkick.com/trans-hs-volleyball-player-that-injured-female-opponent-posts-highlight-reel/

Incredibly, a Youtube user posted the video on their page as a career highlight for the trans volleyball player. The video slows down, draws a green circle around the player and then shows the vicious spike hitting off the face of the young female with a shocking velocity.

there's an entire branch of media dedicated to posting misleading articles that seriously skew perception of how frequently trans women win in sports.

they're often portrayed as monstrous, savage brutes; as though they're stronger than cis women on an actual statistically significant level (they aren't).

it's extremely similar to media portrayals of various marginalized ethnic groups as apes or other animals. there's a significant history of black people being portrayed that way in the US; but it happened with Jews in Nazi Germany (propaganda posters portraying them as mice -- vermin to be exterminated -- and the Nazis as cats); Asians throughout Europe (with the "yellow peril"); and since 9/11 in particular it's been happening with Middle Eastern/South Asian people.

there's also a weird obsession with a simplistic view of biological womanhood that's eerily similar to phrenology, so this parallel exists on more than one level

A federal appeals court on Friday dismissed a challenge to Connecticuts policy of allowing transgender girls to compete in girls' high school sports, rejecting arguments by four cisgender runners who said they were unfairly forced to race against transgender athletes.
A three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York City upheld a lower court judges dismissal of a lawsuit challenging the policy. The panel said the four cisgender athletes lacked standing to sue - in part because their claims that they were deprived of wins, state titles and athletic scholarship opportunities were speculative.
All four Plaintiffs regularly competed at state track championships as high school athletes, where Plaintiffs had the opportunity to compete for state titles in different events, the decision said. And, on numerous occasions, Plaintiffs were indeed champions, finishing first in various events, even sometimes when competing against (transgender athletes).
The judges added, Plaintiffs simply have not been deprived of a chance to be champions.
The Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Council argued its policy is designed to comply with a state law that requires all high school students be treated according to their gender identity. It also said the policy is in accordance with Title IX, the federal law that allows girls equal educational opportunities, including in athletics.

Todays ruling is a critical victory for fairness, equality, and inclusion. Joshua Block, a lawyer for the ACLUs LGBTQ & HIV Project, said in a statement. This critical victory strikes at the heart of political attacks against transgender youth while helping ensure every young person has the right to play.
Transgender athletes ability to compete in sports is the subject of a continuing national debate. At least 12 Republican-led states have passed laws banning transgender women or girls in sports based on the premise it gives them an unfair competitive advantage.
Transgender rights advocates counter such laws arent just about sports, but another way to demean and attack transgender youth.
Roger Brooks, a lawyer from the conservative Alliance Defending Freedom who represented the four Connecticut cisgender athletes, did not immediately return a message seeking comment Friday. A message also was left for the alliance.
The plaintiffs argued the rights of cisgender girls under Title IX are being violated in Connecticut by being forced to compete against what they term biological males. They sought injunctions to bar enforcement of the state policy on transgender athletes and to remove records set by transgender athletes from the books, as well as money damages.
In arguments before a federal judge in Connecticut in February 2021, Brooks said Title IX guarantees girls equal quality of competition, which he said is denied by having to race people with what he described as inherent physiological advantages.
Brooks said the transgender sprinters improperly won 15 championship races between 2017 and 2020 and cost cisgender girls the opportunity to advance to other races 85 times.
Miller and Yearwood, the transgender sprinters from Bloomfield and Cromwell, respectively, frequently outperformed their cisgender competitors.
The plaintiffs competed directly against them, almost always losing to Miller and usually finishing behind Yearwood. One of the plaintiffs, Chelsea Mitchell of Canton High School, finished third in the 2019 state championship in the girl's 55-meter indoor track competition behind Miller and Yearwood.
All the athletes have since graduated from high school.

what does this have to do at all with anything itt? it doesn't grant you special insight into trans issues if you're trying to assert that

there's an entire branch of media dedicated to posting misleading articles that seriously skew perception of how frequently trans women win in sports.

they're often portrayed as monstrous, savage brutes; as though they're stronger than cis women on an actual statistically significant level (they aren't).

it's extremely similar to media portrayals of various marginalized ethnic groups as apes or other animals. there's a significant history of black people being portrayed that way in the US; but it happened with Jews in Nazi Germany (propaganda posters portraying them as mice -- vermin to be exterminated -- and the Nazis as cats); Asians throughout Europe (with the "yellow peril"); and since 9/11 in particular it's been happening with Middle Eastern/South Asian people.

there's also a weird obsession with a simplistic view of biological womanhood that's eerily similar to phrenology, so this parallel exists on more than one level