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AlephZero
01/18/23 10:39:27 PM
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https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/S-F-district-attorney-issues-arrest-warrant-for-17726650.php

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01/21/23 3:54:10 PM
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I just dont understand how someone can be so cruel and think it was a good idea to do that.

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AlephZero
01/21/23 3:55:34 PM
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Indeed. Pissing and shitting in front of someone's business for weeks on end, harassing potential customers and people just walking by, and refusing help from the police and homeless services that were called several dozen times is not behavior that should be tolerated in modern society.

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VampireCoyote
01/21/23 3:58:10 PM
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AlephZero posted...
Indeed. Pissing and shitting in front of someone's business for weeks on end, harassing potential customers and people just walking by, and refusing help from the police and homeless services that were called several dozen times is not behavior that should be tolerated in modern society.

wow what a pathetically shitty little attitude to have

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Antifar
01/21/23 4:03:13 PM
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You shouldnt spray people with hoses. That seems like common sense, Sakiyama said.

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Zikten
01/21/23 4:08:39 PM
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Excellent. That store owner is a psychopath
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Questionmarktarius
01/21/23 4:12:57 PM
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Meh. Misdemeanor battery.
That's one of those "worth it" charges.
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TMOG
01/21/23 4:13:44 PM
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AlephZero posted...
Indeed. Pissing and shitting in front of someone's business for weeks on end, harassing potential customers and people just walking by, and refusing help from the police and homeless services that were called several dozen times is not behavior that should be tolerated in modern society.
Yikes
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Sheiky-Baby
01/21/23 4:15:06 PM
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California.

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RamboCell29
01/21/23 4:23:12 PM
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Well, you can't spray people with water like that...

But after years of bad policy ruining San Francisco I wouldn't be shocked if every business owner and homeowner saw this response and is now thinking about moving to a better run city and state.

As a reminder, this guy called the authorities about the homless person many times and seemed to have exhausted every option. With human feces, drug needles, etc. and no response from authorities eventually people lose it.

Maybe they'll elect different leadership one day. But probably not, and that city will continue to sprial, especially as tech companies continue to flee to Texas, Florida, etc.

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divot1338
01/21/23 4:24:52 PM
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Antifar posted...
You shouldnt spray people with hoses. That seems like common sense, Sakiyama said.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/3/9/AAXm8_AAEHJP.jpg
Police spraying firehoses at Standing Rocks protestors in 2016.

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Antifar
01/21/23 4:26:05 PM
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I'm gonna assume you're agreeing with me

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hockeybub89
01/21/23 4:26:58 PM
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RamboCell29 posted...
Well, you can't spray people with water like that...

But after years of bad policy ruining San Francisco I wouldn't be shocked if every business owner and homeowner saw this response and is now thinking about moving to a better run city and state.

As a reminder, this guy called the authorities about the homless person many times and seemed to have exhausted every option. With human feces, drug needles, etc. and no response from authorities eventually people lose it.

Maybe they'll elect different leadership one day. But probably not, and that city will continue to sprial, especially as tech companies continue to flee to Texas, Florida, etc.
Yeah as long as they are white and straight, they'll have a great time running their business in worthless shitholes like Florida

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Tom_Joad
01/21/23 4:27:53 PM
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Antifar posted...
You shouldnt spray people with hoses. That seems like common sense, Sakiyama said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbp40mbHNFU

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Questionmarktarius
01/21/23 4:29:44 PM
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divot1338 posted...
Police spraying firehoses at Standing Rocks protestors in 2016.
Only cops should have hoses

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Jiek_Fafn
01/21/23 4:30:44 PM
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A slap on the wrist. He'll have to pay a fine

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kelemvor
01/21/23 4:33:30 PM
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Maybe she got cleaned up?
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The_X_Dawg
01/21/23 4:34:01 PM
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I'm sorry, but I think lean towards siding/understanding why the owner did this and think this arrest is crap IF this is true:

Gwin has lived in San Francisco for 45 years. He said this confrontation was the result of multiple attempts to get the woman help, after he spent days cleaning up her mess and letting her sleep in his doorway. He added that she often knocks over trash cans, and her behavior has scared off his clients.

I mean...literally tried every peaceful solution and the situation didn't get better. Everyone has a breaking point. Hell, cops wouldn't do anything about the situation and only did something AFTER this blew up.

Again...that's if his narrative is true. If not, then no sir, I don't abide.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
01/21/23 4:37:01 PM
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She should have been arrested when the police were called other times or atleast relocated far from his business. The man has all my sympathy as he tired to do the legal way all those times for it to have no effect or results.

He sure as hell does not deserve jail time over this when SF refuses to deal with trouble making homeless people.

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Nukazie
01/21/23 4:37:57 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
He sure as hell does not deserve jail time over this.


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ROOTFayth
01/21/23 4:38:51 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Yeah as long as they are white and straight, they'll have a great time running their business in worthless shitholes like Florida
florida isnt a shithole wtf, universal studio, disney world, great weather, what are you on about?
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Antifar
01/21/23 4:39:43 PM
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My dude theme parks are not indicative of what it's like to live under a government.

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VampireCoyote
01/21/23 4:40:53 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
florida isnt a shithole wtf, universal studio, disney world, great weather, what are you on about?

lol its a total wet dumpster of a state

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ROOTFayth
01/21/23 4:45:27 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
lol its a total wet dumpster of a state
why?
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ROOTFayth
01/21/23 4:47:00 PM
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Antifar posted...
My dude theme parks are not indicative of what it's like to live under a government.
yeah I dont give a crap about that, it's great for vacation and its great for retirement

especially for someone like me living in cold canada
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legendary_zell
01/21/23 4:48:17 PM
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The system failing overall does not mean you get to dehumanize and assault people. This is happening because that human being does not have a home and the resources she needs, not because people can't spray others with hoses.

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Antifar
01/21/23 4:48:23 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
yeah I dont give a crap about that,
I hope you can forgive the people who do care about the things they discuss

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ROOTFayth
01/21/23 4:49:39 PM
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Antifar posted...
I hope you can forgive the people who do care about the things they discuss
yeah it's forgiven, just dont see the point of calling it a shithole, it's a nice spot
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Questionmarktarius
01/21/23 4:52:54 PM
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Eventually, cities will realize that Martin v. Boise is a legitimate vector for criminalizing homeless.
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Butterfiles
01/21/23 4:54:07 PM
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Orlando is the sorriest excuse for a city I've ever visited. Basically a giant strip mall that has a mayor

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Tenaku
01/21/23 5:07:39 PM
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Posters against the man, what do you suggest he should have done?
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Zikten
01/21/23 5:09:17 PM
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Tenaku posted...
Posters against the man, what do you suggest he should have done?
Called the mayor and got them to make the cops remove the woman
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ROOTFayth
01/21/23 5:09:57 PM
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Butterfiles posted...
Orlando is the sorriest excuse for a city I've ever visited. Basically a giant strip mall that has a mayor
I dunno I like it, although never went downtown, it's mostly for the weather though, I always rent a house there with a pool and the florida rooms, it's just nice, my wife and kids are big fans of disney so they like it too, can't possible consider it a "shithole"
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legendary_zell
01/21/23 5:16:42 PM
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Tenaku posted...
Posters against the man, what do you suggest he should have done?

Not assault the woman? That cannot be justified no matter how frustrated he was. It's possible that there's nothing he could do with the way things are, just like she can't easily get permanent housing and whatever other support she needs.

He could potentially join with other business owners and demand that all unhoused people immediately receive housing and all necessary services. Because I'm sure the opposite is what is going to happen, him and others like him will join together to advocate for criminal penalties or round ups and deportation.

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FatAnimeBooty
01/21/23 5:22:27 PM
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Dude had every right to be angry at the homeless woman, but that doesn't mean that he's justified in what he did.
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Questionmarktarius
01/21/23 5:23:35 PM
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Tenaku posted...
Posters against the man, what do you suggest he should have done?
Vote for socialists who will take half his livelihood and still manage to make things worse.
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Klaus343
01/21/23 5:32:41 PM
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There's two ways to deal with a homeless person outside your business.

1) One way, involves making sure there's more and more homeless around, then either one of two things happens: They all seemingly leave (most homeless don't like other homeless), or there's sometimes a massive fight between them, among other things and the cops are forced to get involved. They always move them all on. (Ideal during the quiet months at your business, as it could effect the customer-base)

2) The second way is to make it unattractive as possible -- if there's one outside make sure the music is loud enough to not let them sleep during the day, and then have renovations done during the night, again just inconvenient enough for them to not be able to sleep, make sure there's never any silence. They tend to move on, then... (More expensive, but ideal during your active season, as it's low effect on customers)

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ROOTFayth
01/21/23 5:34:55 PM
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would it have counted as assault if he just let the hose open so that her area becomes all wet, kind of the same idea as loud noise
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RamboCell29
01/21/23 5:36:25 PM
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Klaus343 posted...
There's two ways to deal with a homeless person outside your business.

1) One way, involves making sure there's more and more homeless around, then either one of two things happens: They all seemingly leave (most homeless don't like other homeless), or there's sometimes a massive fight between them, among other things and the cops are forced to get involved. They always move them all on. (Ideal during the quiet months at your business, as it could effect the customer-base)

2) The second way is to make it unattractive as possible -- if there's one outside make sure the music is loud enough to not let them sleep during the day, and then have renovations done during the night, again just inconvenient enough for them to not be able to sleep, make sure there's never any silence. They tend to move on, then... (More expensive, but ideal during your active season, as it's low effect on customers)

Or: vote for leaders that actually do something to address the issue.

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k1zzl3_82
01/21/23 5:39:13 PM
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Klaus343 posted...
There's two ways to deal with a homeless person outside your business.

1) One way, involves making sure there's more and more homeless around, then either one of two things happens: They all seemingly leave (most homeless don't like other homeless), or there's sometimes a massive fight between them, among other things and the cops are forced to get involved. They always move them all on. (Ideal during the quiet months at your business, as it could effect the customer-base)

2) The second way is to make it unattractive as possible -- if there's one outside make sure the music is loud enough to not let them sleep during the day, and then have renovations done during the night, again just inconvenient enough for them to not be able to sleep, make sure there's never any silence. They tend to move on, then... (More expensive, but ideal during your active season, as it's low effect on customers)
This lady seemed to be really stubborn. I do not think either of these would have worked

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whitelytning
01/21/23 5:40:37 PM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
A slap on the wrist. He'll have to pay a fine

Which is more that he should have to do. The city/state/country have failed the business owners and should cover his fine.

Should he have done it? No. But he shouldnt be charged with anything.

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Questionmarktarius
01/21/23 5:40:54 PM
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Sell/give the sidewalks to the adjacent property owners.
Now it's trespassing.
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Deedice
01/21/23 5:58:16 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
The system failing overall does not mean you get to dehumanize and assault people. This is happening because that human being does not have a home and the resources she needs, not because people can't spray others with hoses.


What do you suggest people do? My job is to engage homeless people in Californa and I've had homeless people 9/10 times refuse services that I try to get them connected to. Services such as:

- Shelter and hotel voucher programs that provide food and shelter at no cost to them
- Medi-cal and IEHP insurance for health care at no cost to them
- Sobering center and Drug rehab programs that house and feed them at no cost to them
- Mental Health Urgent cares that help them stabilize their mental illnesses in a voluntary environment while helping them get connected to longer term mental health treatment. once again at no cost to them

What are some of your ideas?
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Deedice
01/21/23 6:01:26 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Sell/give the sidewalks to the adjacent property owners.
Now it's trespassing.

Trespassing is a misdemeanor site and release out here; resulting in a court date they will never show up for with penalties that they are never forced to reckon with.
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legendary_zell
01/21/23 6:21:39 PM
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Deedice posted...
What do you suggest people do? My job is to engage homeless people in Californa and I've had homeless people 9/10 times refuse services that I try to get them connected to. Services such as:

- Shelter and hotel voucher programs that provide food and shelter at no cost to them
- Medi-cal and IEHP insurance for health care at no cost to them
- Sobering center and Drug rehab programs that house and feed them at no cost to them
- Mental Health Urgent cares that help them stabilize their mental illnesses in a voluntary environment while helping them get connected to longer term mental health treatment. once again at no cost to them

What are some of your ideas?


If I was sure I had the answer and could implement it, I'd have already done it. These are all good starts, but a big part of the problem as I see it is that by the time you're approaching someone on the street, things have already broken down tremendously. For someone to end up there, they have to have no support system to speak of or their issues have to reach critical crisis level. It's hard to reach someone at that point. It's a DEEP and intense societal failure, akin to something like an active shooter or something and there's no obvious/easy solution at that point. It's hard to reintegrate into society when you've fallen out of it to that extent.

By far the most effective measure would be to provide all these things before the crisis point.

But in the short term, part of the issue is that these services are often offered almost as a threat or a last alternative to criminal punishment, which erodes trust. My impression is that they also often come with a lot of strings attached beyond cost (I don't know how they do it in California, but in Texas, almost all help seems to come with heavy religious pressure/control or police involvement). So one element to improve success could be to have the programs and their outreach designed by or at least with the input of people who have actually been in that situation, and without police involvement or threat.

Essentially permanent, free no-strings attached housing, combined with whatever other supports are necessary. And this should be provided both at the point of crisis and before.

And even if this doesn't improve the situation at all, physical attacks and further criminalization is not the answer. And that seems to be the only alternative people can think of. It's the only thing that's been suggested by the people expressing their sympathy with the business owner.

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Questionmarktarius
01/21/23 6:25:41 PM
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Allow liquor and dogs in the homeless shelter.
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FigureOfSpeech
01/21/23 6:29:35 PM
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ROOTFayth posted...
florida isnt a shithole wtf, universal studio, disney world, great weather, what are you on about?

2 theme parks within a few miles of each other defines an entire state? and many months of 90+ degrees with oppressive to extreme levels of humidity and up to billions of dollars worth of hurricane damage every year = great weather? Okay, bud...
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viewmaster_pi
01/21/23 6:44:23 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
Essentially permanent, free no-strings attached housing, combined with whatever other supports are necessary.
so where are these houses being built, where is this money coming from, where is the food coming from, is there like a co-op with volunteers or government workers, what kind of services will be available, what other support does this include, is it like a mini homeless-city? is there a transit service, will there be on-site custodians and housekeeping, will there be checks for drugs, will they help them find jobs and get them on track to support themselves to free up this finite space for the other people who will be coming in and need it, or are those strings attached? i have to imagine this would raise taxes or something, i mean this would be a huge undertaking, you can't just simplify it to "free permanent housing" and call that a solution

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viewmaster_pi
01/21/23 6:46:04 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...
2 theme parks within a few miles of each other defines an entire state? and many months of 90+ degrees with oppressive to extreme levels of humidity and up to billions of dollars worth of hurricane damage every year = great weather? Okay, bud...
but they also have alligators

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