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hungrymike
01/20/23 11:22:27 PM
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So were the patriots an AI the whole time?
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Lokarin
01/20/23 11:25:48 PM
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hungrymike posted...
So were the patriots an AI the whole time?

No, you're just made to think they are.

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hungrymike
01/20/23 11:39:30 PM
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Lokarin posted...
No, you're just made to think they are.
So the group that obtained the philosophers legacy became the patriots who then created the ai which took over after they died?
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Lokarin
01/21/23 12:48:46 AM
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hungrymike posted...
So the group that obtained the philosophers legacy became the patriots who then created the ai which took over after they died?

Kinda/sorta - I'm not a perfect expert on MGS, but basically ya

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Metalsonic66
01/21/23 2:46:31 AM
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It was the La Li Lu Le Lo

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Dikitain
01/21/23 1:06:22 PM
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It gets explained in MGS4

Basically the patriots created the AI because they were getting old, but then the AI took over and they lost control of it.

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pionear
01/21/23 9:01:35 PM
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Dikitain posted...
It gets explained in MGS4

Basically the patriots created the AI because they were getting old, but then the AI took over and they lost control of it.

Yup just played and finished it last year...and MGS4 is pretty much about Liquid Snake and Others trying to get it back.
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GTurtlte
01/22/23 3:19:47 AM
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pionear posted...
Yup just played and finished it last year...and MGS4 is pretty much about Liquid Snake and Others trying to get it back.
Dont forget Nanomachines is the major plot point as well

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Cruddy_horse
01/23/23 1:07:02 AM
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Dikitain posted...
It gets explained in MGS4

Basically the patriots created the AI because they were getting old, but then the AI took over and they lost control of it.

This is it.
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pionear
01/23/23 10:35:17 AM
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GTurtlte posted...
Dont forget Nanomachines is the major plot point as well

Well since the AI I believe was in control of them...
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GanglyKhan
01/23/23 12:03:08 PM
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Kojima really did predict the world we live in today with the whole theory of "creating context." It's a shame that final set of dialogue leading up to the end is trapped inside a video game, the dude really should be making film or writing books.
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DirtBasedSoap
01/23/23 12:06:54 PM
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MGS4 was a mistake

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Metalsonic66
01/23/23 1:52:53 PM
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*5

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BigOlePappy
01/23/23 1:57:41 PM
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I used to love the MGS plots when I was younger, but now they just seem like an attempt at maximum number of plot twists per narrative.

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GanglyKhan
01/23/23 2:25:57 PM
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BigOlePappy posted...
I used to love the MGS plots when I was younger, but now they just seem like an attempt at maximum number of plot twists per narrative.

I think you missed the point. The plot was there to drive the narrative and themes. Kojima just wanted to make cultural statements but couldn't do it in a void.
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BigOlePappy
01/23/23 2:53:07 PM
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GanglyKhan posted...
I think you missed the point. The plot was there to drive the narrative and themes. Kojima just wanted to make cultural statements but couldn't do it in a void.

That sounds like an excuse for bad writing.

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GanglyKhan
01/23/23 3:02:54 PM
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BigOlePappy posted...
That sounds like an excuse for bad writing.
Writing, plot, and themes are all very different things. It was an espionage game, any spy thriller always has at least one good twist to it, he had to get Sony and Konami on-board somehow. Kojima has always done what he has to do to get his ideas out there.
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Metalsonic66
01/23/23 3:04:41 PM
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The constant twists were ridiculous on purpose

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Lokarin
01/24/23 2:11:55 PM
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a lot of people weren't thrilled with the amputation of MGSV

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hungrymike
01/26/23 12:07:47 AM
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It really makes you wonder about the implications for real life. How far off are we from an AI that can convince a human to do its bidding?
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