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BlueCrystalTear
02/04/23 12:23:43 AM
#51:


Lopen posted...
Just too many people here OMGUS. For all the talk about BCT doing that he's better than most of you at actually handling it because at least he realizes he does it.
I'll take that as a compliment :P

Also... why did nobody get suspicious that Death was still alive? Like... hello? You knew it was a cult game. There's only one reason he'd be kept alive and unblocked for multiple nights. (That said, I was in Dead Town Chat, so I was spoiled, but still.)

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Lopen
02/04/23 12:24:44 AM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Lopen, Mafia is 50% logical deduction, 50% social maneuvering.

That's all that needs be said.

I shouldn't need to socially maneuver that delicately. I was well behaved. If anything I was the one being attacked.

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EDumey
02/04/23 12:24:59 AM
#53:


GG Lopen. I was getting a little annoyed at all the OMGUS that got thrown your way too, so know that you're not alone in seeing it.

I was the Town Neighborizer and got recruited N1. I wonder how different this game would have been had I been able to claim and you hadn't gotten so sidetracked by the neighborizor theories.

I don't think I would have been able to solve this game as town though, so lucky for me that I got recruited. I think the only thing I really would have done differently as Town is I would have been more aggro to SBell Day 2, but I was trying to give him a chance to defend himself so we didn't have to bus.

I probably still would have tunnel visioned on Lopen and IGCD and lost the game as town though if nothing super different happened from my neighborizor claim.

Credit to Han for being the brains of the night actions we took. I was just a loud voice with my only job to try not to be caught.

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Lopen
02/04/23 12:25:09 AM
#54:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I'll take that as a compliment :P

It absolutely is. You're one of the better players on b8.

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Peace___Frog
02/04/23 12:25:38 AM
#55:


Very well-hosted, Ben. If I was smarter and more devious I probably could have deduced more from your answers to my questions about my role, but overall very nicely done. Thanks for the game.

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EDumey
02/04/23 12:26:18 AM
#56:


Peaf I love you. I'm sorry it had to go down that way. If you didn't soft claim protection we coulda clashed again!

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Peace___Frog
02/04/23 12:26:52 AM
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EDumey posted...
Credit to Han for being the brains of the night actions we took. I was just a loud voice with my only job to try not to be caught.
I said in it DTC already, but han as scum maestro was terrifying to watch.

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PunishedBen
02/04/23 12:27:09 AM
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Oh yeah.

DEATH WAS... That Family of Tirkins in Ghondor's Ascension Quest, TOWN Cop

You are part of one of the most tragic side quests in the game. Let's be honest, everyone cried when Jumbo Tirkin died. He went through such a character arc....and that's a good thing too because he starts off super racist. In fact the whole family is super duper racist. Channel that energy...that RAGE... and use it to destroy Moebius.

Ability: Each night, select a target to Cop Scan. You will be told if they are (Family) INNOCENT or (Hooman) GUILTY. Please note that "family" and "hooman" have no relation to actual flavor, just as the color of one's skin has no relation to the identity of one's character.

DUMEY was... Guernica Vandham, TOWN Neighborizer

You are the one who brings the heroes together. Three soldiers from Keves, and three from Agnus, who you will prevent from killing each other and send forward on their journey together. Can you unite the town?

Ability: Each night, you may select two targets (You cannot target yourself). A neighbor chat will be immediately opened between them and they can chat for the remainder of the night phase. The chat stays open even after night actions resolve. It will close upon the start of the day phase.


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Peace___Frog
02/04/23 12:28:10 AM
#59:


EDumey posted...
Peaf I love you. I'm sorry it had to go down that way. If you didn't soft claim protection we coulda clashed again!
I assumed there was real protection in the game and I tried to mind game scum into killing me, to avoid them from shooting blindly into the real protection. It worked... but I didn't consider that you might have had the ability to recruit death.

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Chaeix
02/04/23 12:29:26 AM
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buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo

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HanOfTheNekos
02/04/23 12:29:56 AM
#61:


Credit to Scum team for spamming names in the discord after Hb claimed.

Poor Hb didn't even get to post before the game ended. He's in for a rude awakening.

Lopen posted...
I shouldn't need to socially maneuver that delicately. I was well behaved. If anything I was the one being attacked.

You said something along the lines of "Don't confuse unfocused for nonsense"

And while the nonsense part is debatable, the issue of lacking focus is that you lose your message and what could be a well delivered argument turns into one drop in a bucket of goop that is splayed on everyone.

Backup Recruiter was a tough thing to call, and probably put us in better position to win than anything. Other than that, it was B8 Town's propensity to collate bad/anti-town play with Scum play.

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EDumey
02/04/23 12:30:27 AM
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lol, I also have never actually seen Neighborizer before this game, so I had no idea how to approach the role. My thought was to try and pair together a strong town voice (Han) with someone I was unsure of but was likely town (Chang) and get them to exchange claims. Little did I know, I paired up Scum Han and gave him control of that exchange, then got immediately recruited to know how much I fucked up.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/04/23 12:31:35 AM
#63:


Peace___Frog posted...
I assumed there was real protection in the game and I tried to mind game scum into killing me, to avoid them from shooting blindly into the real protection. It worked... but I didn't consider that you might have had the ability to recruit death.

IGCD hammering Red was also helpful. We had the angle to argue against a Bodyguard (Scum shot scanned Town Han instead of Cop, expecting more prot), but it would have been difficult if Red wasn't so easily lynched.

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PunishedBen
02/04/23 12:32:51 AM
#64:


EDumey posted...
lol, I also have never actually seen Neighborizer before this game, so I had no idea how to approach the role. My thought was to try and pair together a strong town voice (Han) with someone I was unsure of but was likely town (Chang) and get them to exchange claims. Little did I know, I paired up Scum Han and gave him control of that exchange, then got immediately recruited to know how much I fucked up.
To be fair neither had I

But jeez the idea of a scum neighborizer that someone theorized who gets to read the chat the next day is too cool and I wish I had thought of it and used that

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Lopen
02/04/23 12:35:18 AM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
And while the nonsense part is debatable, the issue of lacking focus is that you lose your message and what could be a well delivered argument turns into one drop in a bucket of goop that is splayed on everyone.

It's about the process. Throwing out suspicions is helpful to gauge reactions.

I honestly think rep plays a part. I used to be able to actually convince people with this style in late game and I literally just won kingmaker (as in, was elected king-- we lost that game iirc) as scum and drove the opening lynch the past few games. You can't say I cant convince people.

Problem is now I draw insane psychic and a few weird setups and you've got "the good players" around here saying I suck and yeah no one really takes me seriously even when I'm the only person actually trying to solve anything. It's incredibly frustrating.

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Lopen
02/04/23 12:36:14 AM
#67:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Nice to know my town read on IGCD is still correct. Im proud of that one.

You literally just lynched him without questioning why the hell the cop is alive and the anti lylo mechanic got killed

Completely terrible

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Peace___Frog
02/04/23 12:36:39 AM
#68:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Nice to know my town read on IGCD is still correct. Im proud of that one.

And hey scum played well. No hard feelings there at all. Cult games are tough to figure out.
Ulti. You voted for him to end the game.

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BlueCrystalTear
02/04/23 12:37:37 AM
#69:


Lopen posted...
It absolutely is. You're one of the better players on b8.
Thank you! I like... I have no idea what else to say to this, I'm literally speechless.

Even so, I don't plan on playing again in the near future - I have a lot I'm sorting out, though I've been so busy the past week that I haven't had time to be depressed. I hope to get things on the upswing with my life soon; keeping busy is part of that.

Hopefully, given enough time, I will be able to play again. I look forward to that day.

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Lopen
02/04/23 12:39:02 AM
#71:


Keeping an open mind is how you win mafia and I do feel you're very good at that. Yes we won that game with a cheap trick but I don't think 80% of b8 could help talk through that endgame as well.

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Peace___Frog
02/04/23 12:39:28 AM
#72:


With the lopen flip anybody could have actually thought about the arguments being presented. I agree that there's no hard feelings, but we can't pretend that scum didn't have an easy time at the end.

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Lopen
02/04/23 12:41:16 AM
#73:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Was talking about yesterday. Not the final lynch. Game all but ended with the Lopen flip.

Yeah because no one reads dead town on b8.

I literally had Han caught in a terrible logic slip and maybe as town you should have thought about it

You lynch Han instead of brain dead following cop scan (which you should have doubted-- but if he's really cop that scan is still good with one more day unless you think it's lylo) and the whole thing folds like a bunch of cards.

I think scum still wins in a final 3 with you Dumey and 5tar but at least there would be dignity.

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Hbthebattle
02/04/23 12:54:59 AM
#74:


Man

shouldve trusted my death/dumey suspicious reads

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Hbthebattle
02/04/23 12:56:13 AM
#75:


Wait they were Town d1 nvm

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Kirby321
02/04/23 1:02:31 AM
#76:


Congrats! Scum team played extremely well. That N1 was incredibly oppressive, with so many town powers shut down, even if it meant sacrificing Sbell to recruit Death.

I don't blame town for losing this one, honestly. Backup recruiter was absolutely the missing piece of the puzzle here. Without any strong evidence that someone could've recruited a cult member N2, that was a tough situation to solve.

Would've been wild if Chang had completely bluffed and claimed Town Vanilla instead of his actual role. I wonder how the game would've panned out, as scum would've had to avoid shooting Chang at all after the hammer vote in order to secure the win.

Still, that was a very entertaining game to watch as a spectator. Trying to predict how each of the different roles would interact and how each day would pan out kept things really fun.

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Chaeix
02/04/23 1:03:07 AM
#77:


Peace___Frog posted...
With the lopen flip anybody could have actually thought about the arguments being presented. I agree that there's no hard feelings, but we can't pretend that scum didn't have an easy time at the end.


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changmas
02/04/23 1:04:31 AM
#78:


oh the game is over huh

honestly i stopped having fun somewhere in that last day and i was unable to see past my own frustrations with lopen.

sadly my day 1 reads were spectacular but the most depressing thing of all, by FAR by far, was that dumey really was town neighborizer day 1 and he really was trying to have han and I work together. and then of course he gets recruited that night and he's never going to claim that he really was town neighborizer.

if i didn't get so distracted by lopen (like i literally could not get past that at all i needed him out of the game for my brain to start working) i think i could have gotten there

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Hbthebattle
02/04/23 1:05:03 AM
#79:


Yeah some of the problem was I had no real frame of reference for what a "normal" amount of mentions was gonna be.
I knew 5tar was town! I was right on that

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changmas
02/04/23 1:05:54 AM
#80:


Kirby321 posted...
Would've been wild if Chang had completely bluffed and claimed Town Vanilla instead of his actual role. I wonder how the game would've panned out, as scum would've had to avoid shooting Chang at all after the hammer vote in order to secure the win.

i actually had a vanilla claim planned all game (Everyone's favorite NPC, Nico, who is me, Town Vanilla) and then once i stopped having fun i didnt see any point and i figured the game was solvable from that state, which i maybe think it still was

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changmas
02/04/23 1:09:13 AM
#81:


i just got straight up stunlocked for like 48-96 straight hours trying to argue against that dumbass "han and chang faked neighborizer together" or "chang was trying to pocket han" and my brain literally couldnt do anything else.

i knew all along that han could be scum, i never fully discounted that possibility but i felt so backed into a corner that i couldn't separate myself from han without feeling like i was going to have people instantly arguing i was scum for it

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EDumey
02/04/23 1:11:47 AM
#82:


Hbthebattle posted...
Yeah some of the problem was I had no real frame of reference for what a "normal" amount of mentions was gonna be.
I knew 5tar was town! I was right on that
I also thought a funny interaction with this was that Lopen didn't like that I said Scum might keep a list of town power and have Ulti's name on it. And he basically said, "I've never done that as scum."

Well neither did we. I was just bullshitting random reasons why someone could be mentioned. >_>

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EDumey
02/04/23 1:14:42 AM
#83:


If I can be allowed to OMGUS for one moment, in bad taste, after the game. I think if IGCD had been putting in some effort and not been playing "for the lulz", then this game turns out very different. Red likely doesn't die there, him claiming BG makes my planned doctor fake claim risky, and we don't get such an easy ML target. If I were town, I would be incredibly annoyed with him. Plum was totally justified in getting upset D1.

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Kirby321
02/04/23 1:15:27 AM
#84:


I think my favorite moment in the game was Han making a BS argument about how 5tar was scum and only had 1 mention on the scum chat because he was vanilla scum and no one would be addressing him directly...

And subsequently, Lopen completely 180'd on Hb and 5tar. I was gonna facepalm at Han for such a crazy play, but somehow it paid off lmao

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changmas
02/04/23 1:17:53 AM
#85:


Kirby321 posted...
I think my favorite moment in the game was Han making a BS argument about how 5tar was scum and only had 1 mention on the scum chat because he was vanilla scum and no one would be addressing him directly...

And subsequently, Lopen completely 180'd on Hb and 5tar. I was gonna facepalm at Han for such a crazy play, but somehow it paid off lmao

that point from Han was truly nonsensical to me

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Kirby321
02/04/23 1:19:28 AM
#86:


Also, a special condemnation goes to... Corrik

For not reading the entire damn game at all

I know I was an informed spectator... but after Sbell's flip there really shouldn't have been any doubt that the scum team was a cult. And yet some people were still insisting that cult and scum were separate factions >_>

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Corrik7
02/04/23 1:46:02 AM
#87:


Nice! Good game!

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PunishedBen
02/04/23 1:55:32 AM
#88:


Corrik was the AI all along

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Isquen
02/04/23 2:18:59 AM
#89:


Sorta glad that replacements weren't called for, I was having trouble following trains of thought (and trains of nonthought) there.

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IfGodCouldDie
02/04/23 2:45:23 AM
#90:


Anyways, sorry for my inactivity. I did specify playing was going to be difficult for me and kind of didn't even expect to get put in the game when I posted.

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ctesjbuvf
02/04/23 2:47:00 AM
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I thought this game was very designed, extremely good job Ben. I'm sad I couldn't play but it was the right call. I was caught up at some point early, then not again until halfway through day 4. I occasionally wrote some thoughts to Ben (that we agreed he didnt answer to). After 1 topic I thought Lopen, Ulti, IGCD, JC, Corrik and chang were all town. Later in the day I thought it was clear plum was too. All ended up being true even after recruits lol

Next time I was caught up was a bit into day 4. I started thinking chang was scum because I couldn't see town chang claiming like that. At this point I was still confident that Lopen and Corrik were town and also Hb and 5tar. Was unsure about Death and Han, and thought there had to be scum left in Dumey, IGCD and Ulti. I was back and forward about Han. At some point here he made a post that made me instantly think he was scum and I immediately wrote to Ben, but I forgot what it was. From this point forward I was killed and got into DTC but there is no way I ever vote Lopen and I don't think I'd trust Death that easily either. Might have gone after chang though so likely doesn't matter much.

Lopen played very well day 4 btw.

Isquen posted...
Sorta glad that replacements weren't called for, I was having trouble following trains of thought (and trains of nonthought) there.

You were the only replacement not killed lol.

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Isquen
02/04/23 3:04:14 AM
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ctesjbuvf posted...
You were the only replacement not killed lol.

I will take my W where I can get it!

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ctesjbuvf
02/04/23 3:29:01 AM
#93:


Also it doesn't matter how many scenarios Lopen had considered, it's all about which one he ends on. Lopen gets to say he did a good job if he ended in the right place and absolutely not if he was there but switched to something incorrect. It doesn't matter if he called everyone scum in the progress. He arrived at the right conclusion through talking through a bunch of stuff. It worked. I understand Lopen can be provoking but I think saying he was distracting is discrediting a scum team that did a good job (and perhaps also the concept of backup recruiter).

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htaeD
02/04/23 3:36:13 AM
#94:


5tarscream posted...
What a train wreck. Peaf town mvp. Think he was the only one that called the whole team at some point


Hey I was town MVP at one point too.
Unfortunately then I became scum MVP

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Corrik7
02/04/23 3:39:10 AM
#95:


htaeD posted...
Hey I was town MVP at one point too.
Unfortunately then I became scum MVP
Increasing my percentages on you after another correct call. I'm so good I can call it before it even happens.

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htaeD
02/04/23 3:41:26 AM
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And I am sorry I couldnt be more helpful to you Lopen, but well you know why that happened.

To tell ya the truth I did scan you night2 when I got recruited because I was half thinking your miller claim was a bluff. (and because I thought I was dead anyway)
But you got turned into an untargetable at the same time.

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htaeD
02/04/23 3:50:43 AM
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Ooooooh
Sultan sent the scan to Sbell
Lol

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Obellisk
02/04/23 5:37:37 AM
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htaeD posted...
Ooooooh
Sultan sent the scan to Sbell
Lol

I knew it. But who did he scan?

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Obellisk
02/04/23 5:38:20 AM
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Also Han is scum mvp. We don't win without him here.

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TheSultanOfSlam
02/04/23 5:46:55 AM
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Oh wow games over quick gg scun

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