Current Events > The most succesful governments in human history are capitalist

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I'd like you to define where you're getting all these statistics, for starters. Then we can go from there to whatever extent I can actually discuss this topic.

That's pretty grim for human history, then, if this shit is the best we do.

I guess success is viewed the same as individual corporations view it: "Did we make obscene amounts of profit? Yes? Then fuck the workers, fuck morals and ethics, fuck everything! We're rich, baby!!!!"

Happiness index, quality of life index, democracy index, among others.

Nice bait

Happiness index, quality of life index, democracy index, among others.

And America and the entire world still fucking suck, so I guess it's relative

Can you elaborate on what you mean?

• Prices of everything is going up, including groceries and rent, but wages are stagnant.
• Most people are only one hospital visit away from bankruptcy, even with health insurance.
• Education is constantly being defunded and devalued by the right wing that controls a lot of the governments on the local and state level.
• The shrinking middle class.
• Workers are constantly being exploited so CEOs can bleed just a little more money out of them to appease their shareholders.
• Those same CEOs and corporate fatcats have the government in their pockets, so our government which is supposed to look out for the common person is instead serving the interests of the corporations.
• Right-wing rhetoric is being pushed globally, which will not lead anywhere good for the majority of people.

* Prices of everything is going up, including groceries and rent, but wages are stagnant.
* Most people are only one hospital visit away from bankruptcy, even with health insurance.
* Education is constantly being defunded and devalued by the right wing that controls a lot of the governments on the local and state level.
* The shrinking middle class.
* Workers are constantly being exploited so CEOs can bleed just a little more money out of them to appease their shareholders.
* Those same CEOs and corporate fatcats have the government in their pockets, so our government which is supposed to look out for the common person is instead serving the interests of the corporations.
* Right-wing rhetoric is being pushed globally, which will not lead anywhere good for the majority of people.

These "successful governments" are baking the world in the name of profits. I hope you include the consequences of the coming ecofascism and climate wars in the calculations for whether capitalism is "successful" or not.

Just a reminder that whenever socialism or communism start working a little too well, the US is there to stop it. Violently if necessary.

The most "successful" governments as only that successful because the long term problems they cause are pushed onto future generations. When will people realise that infinite growth just isn't possible and the short term boom by outsourcing and cutting regulations cause issues later down the line.

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It's really baffling why so many people on both sides of the political spectrum either deny this or simply overlook scandinavian countries altogether.

It's really baffling why so many people on both sides of the political spectrum either deny this or simply overlook scandinavian countries altogether.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/greenest-countries

Are people even thinking before posting?

So the US....is a left wing oligarchy???? The nicest thing I can say is that you don't perceive reality in a rational way.

So the US....is a left wing oligarchy???? The nicest thing I can say is that you don't perceive reality in a rational way.

The very definition of a non-sequitur

These topics are usually made by people that don't understand the difference between correlation and causation.

Colonial empires were always going to be the most successful. They were the most powerful already and subjugated others underneath them.

That has nothing to do with acknowledging all of the issues that persist within these governments.

Scandinavian countries were/are colonials empire? And they are more succesful than the UK... why? I'm just trying to follow your logic.

With strong social policies/programs, low corruption, high education and strong market regulations.

It's really baffling why so many people on both sides of the political spectrum either deny this or simply overlook scandinavian countries altogether.

You might be surprised, but Sweden used to be a superpower that walked all over Europe causing wars for hundreds of years.
And we used to have colonies.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies

Pretty sure it's impossible to have low corruption.

capitalism necessitates the existence of an exploited underclass. the "most successful" countries (notably including scandinavian countries) have outsourced that underclass to some extent. it fundamentally cannot work out well for everyone on a global scale.

The issue is the greed associated with capitalism will erode market regulations, which causes everything else to come crashing down.

Every inch corporations take is a little more power their able to wield toward taking a mile down the road. The ability to use money to buy your way into power is an inherent feature of capitalism. Strong regulations can only slow this down, not stop it completely.

So yes, some capitalist countries are the most successful, for now.

How does this apply only to corporations but not to greedy power hungry politicians? It applies to both.

Because it's the corporations that actually run capitalist governments, as the politicians are in their pockets.

Just a reminder that whenever socialism or communism start working a little too well, the US is there to stop it. Violently if necessary.

The longest lasting governments weren't capitalist lmfao

Longest lasting = most succesful to you?

Once upon a time, the most successful governments in human history were palace economies.