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Eternals/10

The first two sucked though so I don't know why this would susprise anyone.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

The first two sucked though so I don't know why this would susprise anyone.

lol

seems significantly worse than eternals so far, review wise

which is a bummer since I really like ant-man/paul rudd, but they really did seem to sacrifice what made ant-man fun (the humor, side cast, and shrinking hijinks) at the altar of setting up kang and raising the stakes for phase 5

Even if I didn't already dislike the first two, it looks like this movie is almost entirely trying to link more MCU stuff together and setting up new movies and shows, all stuff which I am 100000% over with and why I've basically stopped caring about the MCU.

But the effects in the trailers looked cool, so I was kind of hoping this would be a hidden gem.

I don't bother with meta scores on movies. I have a handful of reviewers whose opinions I know and understand after following them for years and those people are generally positive on it. It has its ups and downs, but generally if you like the MCU you'll like this from what I'm hearing. Said set of reviewers I trust were much more split on Eternals. I'm going to trust their opinions since I know their personal likes and dislikes and how they match up to my likes and dislikes. I'm certainly going to trust them more than some random schmuck I know nothing about and could very well have an axe to grind.

1st one was one of my favorite MCU movies

2nd one didn't care for too much

I'll be seeing the 3rd one on Sunday regardless

First Ant Man was good and the second, like Eternals, was completely unmemorable.

Well ok Eternals was memorable for feeling like a slog almost the entire movie, so that's something I guess.

Not something good though!

Well, not been too excited about much MCU post Endgame. Disappointing that this is reviewing badly, but I will eventually see it. Not in theaters though.

Eternals didnt deserve that. One of the best post-Endgame movies.

I'm sorry but Eternals is not a good movie, and it is absolutely the worst post-Endgame movie in the MCU. It's actually just the worst project in the MCU - bullet dodged, Inhumans and Iron Fist, you didn't even get movies but at least you get to be quietly forgotten instead of living on as a stain.

The director doesn't deserve that, sure. She should have been put in charge of some totally different movie. Some non-MCU movie where her talents could be leveraged as she is not in any way a big action movie director like that. Also, all of the actors are just wasted to serve weak characters in a bad story that didn't need to be told. I feel bad for them that they couldn't get better MCU roles.

When they announced they had an Inhumans project many years ago, I thought there couldn't be a project less wanted by the fans and with less potential to be a success. Then they announced Eternals and I realized I was wrong. I hoped it would prove me wrong. A nave me once thought that about the Guardians of the Galaxy, so surely there was some hope. In reality, there was just a voice saying "nope."

Eternals was a bad idea, it shouldn't have happened. It should just be buried. Please dear god, don't let there be a sequel to that flustercluck.

Bummer, the first ant-man was one of my favorite mcu movies. I didnt even finish eternals. Been looking forward to getting to the movies more often but I guess Ill just catch this one on Disney

Psycho_Kensou posted...

When they announced they had an Inhumans project many years ago, I thought there couldn't be a project less wanted by the fans

i'd say the inhumans are decently liked, actually. if you polled marvel fans before the MCU existed if they wanted an inhumans movie or a guardians of the galaxy movie, i'm sure the inhumans option would have been more popular.

Eternals is a really good film that runs a little too long. Its very, very different so its not especially surprising that it wound up so divisive, but I really appreciated that it was a fresh take and actually looked good for once.

That is a stark difference in the reviews of this and Eternals. Eternals split people down the middle but there was praise. This just seems like an overwhelming amount of meh, which is why the MC and RT average score is already lower than Eternals even though the percentage of positive reviews is currently higher. A lot of really middling reviews.

The Inhumans are liked, a little, a very little, but I'd say as a marvel comics fan they have never and will never be liked on the level of the X-Men, and they (Ike Pearlmutter, really) literally went into the Inhumans project trying to replace the X-Men. Even the fan(s) of the Inhumans didn't want that.

Were the Inhumans liked more than the Guardians before the Guardians got a movie? Nope. GotG was announced in July 2012 and neither of them were in monthly print at the time. Blackbolt, the most famous and liked Inhuman, was only kind of relevant when they did The Illuminati... at least half a decade earlier. And really, the Inhumans have actually spent more of this millennium as villains than heroes because of what they did.

So actually, no, even though in my previous statement I kind of tried to give the Inhumans some credit, they really weren't ever popular and probably won't be.

LightningStrikes posted...

Eternals is a really good film that runs a little too long. Its very, very different so its not especially surprising that it wound up so divisive, but I really appreciated that it was a fresh take and actually looked good for once.

That is a stark difference in the reviews of this and Eternals. Eternals split people down the middle but there was praise. This just seems like an overwhelming amount of meh, which is why the MC and RT average score is already lower than Eternals even though the percentage of positive reviews is currently higher. A lot of really middling reviews.

I'll take a huge ol' pile of average before I watch Eternals again. That movie was garbage. The director was wasted, the cast was wasted, the IP was wasted. It, as a movie, is basically the equivalent of Lebron signing a new 10 year contact to the Boston Bruins. No, not the Celtics, the Bruins.

Well I enjoyed it a lot and Im not going to force you to watch it. So you can take heart in knowing that it brought other people joy even if you dont like it.

This is the thing. People will stick up for Eternals. I struggle to see people doing that for this movie.

i can't for the life of me see how eternals was "a really good film." it's probably not the worst MCU movie but i thought it was thoroughly mediocre.

You haven't even seen Quantumania. I, and everyone else (including you), basically had to read a text book introduction to Eternals. Literally, that's how it starts. If you like that, fine, you liked that. If you liked that it was essentially a David Attenborough retelling of a Marvel story then you do you.

You haven't seen Quantumania, quit judging it based on second hand knowledge of people you don't even know. You don't know you don't like it, because you haven't seen it yet.

Such an LMS pre-opinion.

actually, i'm wondering, were there any critics who really loved eternals?

fandom etertainment's eric goldman is an extremely positive critic who always tries very hard to see the good in the movies he reviews, and even he only gave eternals a 7/10. sure, that's not a bad score but it's not exactly high praise either.

Psycho_Kensou posted...

You haven't even seen Quantumania. I, and everyone else (including you), basically had to read a text book introduction to Eternals. Literally, that's how it starts. If you like that, fine, you liked that. If you liked that it was essentially a David Attenborough retelling of a Marvel story then you do you.

You haven't seen Quantumania, quit judging it based on second hand knowledge of people you don't even know. You don't know you don't like it, because you haven't seen it yet.

Such an LMS pre-opinion.

Literally talking about reviews and reactions, maybe Im wrong.

Mr_Lasastryke posted...

actually, i'm wondering, were there any critics who really loved eternals?

fandom etertainment's eric goldman is an extremely positive critic who always tries very hard to see the good in the movies he reviews, and even he only gave eternals a 7/10. sure, that's not a bad score but it's not exactly high praise either.

Empire loved it just off the top of my head. They were meh on this.

Edit: On checking it was the reviewers on the podcast who loved it while the magazine reviewer gave it 3/5. However other publications like Total Film and The Atlantic gave it very positive reviews. On the other hand The Guardian slammed it.

Second ant man movie is the only marvel movie I actively hated

so Im not disappointed

ONE of the reviewers I usually trust was pretty high on it (Eternals), and he lost some of my respect for it. Generally the reviews for Eternals, even the somewhat positive ones, were not great.

Again, I'm not big on aggregating scores like this, I would even say that the fact that the two score aggregating sites can't even come up with the same number should probably tell you not to trust either all that much.

Pick some reviewers that seem to share your taste in movies before you trust some number plucked from the aether.

Or just understand that opinions can differ. There are a lot of critics I listen to who I disagree with but its interesting to hear their perspectives, hearing different takes is part of the fun.

I think one of the largest issues with the MCU in Phase 4 was not knowing when to make a movie a mini and a mini a movie. Eternals was definitely a film where the crime was shoving far too much material into too little a space - and the upshot was a lot of flimsy characters as a result, many of whom, had they time to breathe and develop, would have really shone.

The cinematography was great, the basic conceit was strong, and I think this is the ONE time Marvel could have gone with a seasonal format and actually succeeded. Hell, House of the Dragon's time-jumping chapter format would have been absolutely perfect for Eternals! Instead, we got Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Falcon and Soldier, etc., all of which would have been best served as a film.

From what I heard it just repeats the plotpoints of Loki to delay the payoff again

LightningStrikes posted...

Literally talking about reviews and reactions, maybe Im wrong.

Sure, I'm talking about reviews, but I'm talking about reviewers that generally have a similar taste to mine rather than a completely inscrutable score derived from dozens or hundreds of reviewers whose taste I literally do not have the time to figure out. I will trust Dan Murrell or Jeremy Johns over some guy I don't know because those two guys (and the others I'd listen to) have spent years not just reviewing movies but also showing me who they are, and what they like, and presenting their opinions in a way that helps me understand if I will like it. I'm not looking at some dumb number and making a decision about something, I'm listening to what people, specifically people whose taste in movies I understand, have to say.

Empire loved it just off the top of my head. They were meh on this.

Who is this "Empire" you speak of. As an individual, what does he/she/they have to say about other movies?

Oh, you mean Empire magazine, which may employ dozens of people each with their own tastes and therefore not even a consistent review source?

Im still looking forward to it. A lot of phase 4 has been panned, but theyve still been pretty enjoyable. I feel bad for The Marvels though. That one gonna be reviewed bombed very hard when it comes out

scarletspeed7 posted...

I think one of the largest issues with the MCU in Phase 4 was not knowing when to make a movie a mini and a mini a movie. Eternals was definitely a film where the crime was shoving far too much material into too little a space - and the upshot was a lot of flimsy characters as a result, many of whom, had they time to breathe and develop, would have really shone.

The cinematography was great, the basic conceit was strong, and I think this is the ONE time Marvel could have gone with a seasonal format and actually succeeded. Hell, House of the Dragon's time-jumping chapter format would have been absolutely perfect for Eternals! Instead, we got Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Falcon and Soldier, etc., all of which would have been best served as a film.

I'll agree with this, at least some. To really do the Eternals, you need 6/8/10 hours. Falcon and the Winter Soldier could have just been a 2.5 hour movie. Ms. Marvel... I liked most of the stuff they would have had to cut for time if it was a movie. As a real hardcore Moon Knight fan, I'd like to erase everything they did with the character and start over with next year's Halloween special where he could maybe fight werewolfbynight... oh wait, they kinda ruined that too. So yeah, Eternals should have been a show and "Captain America 4" could have been a movie. And a better one, if it didn't pretend like there was some reason why Sam wouldn't just take up the shield.

I mean they have a podcast with a bunch of them and all but one came down really positively on it. The podcast in general is a good listen.

scarletspeed7 posted...

I think one of the largest issues with the MCU in Phase 4 was not knowing when to make a movie a mini and a mini a movie. Eternals was definitely a film where the crime was shoving far too much material into too little a space - and the upshot was a lot of flimsy characters as a result, many of whom, had they time to breathe and develop, would have really shone.

The cinematography was great, the basic conceit was strong, and I think this is the ONE time Marvel could have gone with a seasonal format and actually succeeded. Hell, House of the Dragon's time-jumping chapter format would have been absolutely perfect for Eternals! Instead, we got Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Falcon and Soldier, etc., all of which would have been best served as a film.

Id largely agree, though also they just need to slow down. There is absolutely an oversaturation of MCU content at the moment and people cannot keep up with it. Also, its creating a huge crunch culture on VFX artists who are really badly treated by Marvel, its having a real negative effect on people working in the industry. It is also resulting in uglier films. Marvel movies look worse now than they did 6-7 years ago.

This is one of the cases where they can learn from Eternals: more location shoots, more real stuff.

LightningStrikes posted...

I mean they have a podcast with a bunch of them and all but one came down really positively on it. The podcast in general is a good listen.

Imma pull back from me being mister badman... I still don't know who "they" are or what their tastes are. I'm not really inclined to care, either, because as I said I've found many reviewers I already know and trust. I named two, but there are about two dozen I'd consult if for some reason I wanted to compile scores from my "trusted' reviewers. If you trust them, if you think their tastes match yours, that's fine. I just hate this notion that ~500 people in our society get to arbitrarily set a score to something and that's how our society is going to judge it forever and ever. That's BS. That's not worth listening to.

scarletspeed7 posted...

I think one of the largest issues with the MCU in Phase 4 was not knowing when to make a movie a mini and a mini a movie. Eternals was definitely a film where the crime was shoving far too much material into too little a space - and the upshot was a lot of flimsy characters as a result, many of whom, had they time to breathe and develop, would have really shone.

The cinematography was great, the basic conceit was strong, and I think this is the ONE time Marvel could have gone with a seasonal format and actually succeeded. Hell, House of the Dragon's time-jumping chapter format would have been absolutely perfect for Eternals! Instead, we got Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Falcon and Soldier, etc., all of which would have been best served as a film.

And I think you have people just bouncing out because they arent watching all of it.

I was pretty invested in the phase 3 story line because a movie every 2-3 months was doable.

But Im not watching a 4 hour tv season every other month as well.

I ended up not seeing the black panther movie because I felt like I already bounced in general

I'm going to tell you a secret, plum, they really didn't make any of those D+ shows for you. I mean, did you also feel like you HAD to watch Daredevil/Jessica Jones/Luke Cage/Iron Fist/Defenders? I'm betting no. And other than "OH Kang appears in LOKI first!!!!!1111" there really isn't any reason you would think you have to watch the D+ shows either. In fact, spoilers it's not even the same Kang! Literally not the same character!

Psycho_Kensou posted...

I'm going to tell you a secret, plum, they really didn't make any of those D+ shows for you. I mean, did you also feel like you HAD to watch Daredevil/Jessica Jones/Luke Cage/Iron Fist/Defenders? I'm betting no. And other than "OH Kang appears in LOKI first!!!!!1111" there really isn't any reason you would think you have to watch the D+ shows either. In fact, spoilers it's not even the same Kang! Literally not the same character!

Wasnt the doctor strange movie dependent on wandavision?

Well theres not much else to say on reviewers other than that I would emphasise finding interesting or worthwhile perspectives rather than just ones you agree with.

masterplum posted...

And I think you have people just bouncing out because they arent watching all of it.

I was pretty invested in the phase 3 story line because a movie every 2-3 months was doable.

But Im not watching a 4 hour tv season every other month as well.

I ended up not seeing the black panther movie because I felt like I already bounced in general

I just wound up focusing on the films even though the TV series have been more consistent and better in terms of quality. Theres just too much out there especially when you think about it in a balance with everything else thats worth watching out there. Just not enough time to keep up with all of it. Its funny to contrast that with Star Wars which has basically been kept alive by TV and has made the transition to the prestige TV format much better than Marvel has. It helps that the general lack of interconnectivity of the shows means you can just watch whatever you feel like.

Strangely a lot of the Marvel shows also feel inconsequential, despite the fact that they may come back in a big way later. Moon Knight had a single reference to Black Panther, and thats it. So you wind up with this weird middle ground of not wanting to miss anything in case it is important but also much of it not feeling important.

And yeah, Wandavision and Loki are pretty important. FatWS is a little important and Hawkeye looks like it will be. So far none of the 2022 shows seem to matter all that much.

Welcome to the Multiverse

lots of deleted posts in here

Holy hell, that's like a quarter of the topic.

What the hell happened in here

Im assuming chichiri wanted to de-escalate

Honestly it wasnt that interesting. Chichiri posted many wordy posts on not liking Eternals, not liking film critics they dont agree with, and some other MCU stuff in a slightly confrontational tone then deleted all of them.

Eternals is the worst MCU movie by a lot.

Hopefully this doesn't take that crown.

Oh, ok thats not too interesting, but better than the alternative of them all being deleted due to terrible stuff said or something

Paul Rudd can do no wrong.

The move may not be great but its better for having Paul Rudd in it.

Looking forward to it.

The problem with Eternals is outside of a few moments, the rest of the movie feels like this big mass of "whatever". Almost nothing feels like it's happening, even when things are actually happening, and the twist is obvious. The philosophical split about their job and whether or not they should actually do it the most memorable thing about them by far.

I remember only 3 of their names (the most important 3 in the movie), and I don't even know how to spell one of them.

Eternals is legit one of my favorite MCU movies.

I liked Eternals. But I also liked it because it was different in style and tone from the other MCU movies. It was slower and more romantic. I think that's how you deal with MCU fatigue; you need each movie series be its own genre. You can't just have each one be an action/comedy/big blockbuster just with different characters, they'll all just blur together.

Ant-Man's genre was supposed to be more of a heist movie, but they slightly moved away from the original version of that with the first film's rewrites, and abandoned the concept altogether with the sequels. It's probably one of the reasons I never liked those films. I just don't see the point of them. No Ant-Man film has ever felt like it was worth the time I spent watching them. Paul Rudd's great, but aside from that I never found the characters, story, or writing in them to be interesting in the slightest.

Eternals was fine. It doesn't deserve the hate it gets, but I wouldn't rate it that highly overall.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I remember only 3 of their names (the most important 3 in the movie), and I don't even know how to spell one of them.

gilgamesh
sersi
makkari
thena
uh...

and i only remember the first three because i knew them from the comics.

Druig

Because Druig sucks