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knightmarexx
02/25/23 10:21:48 PM
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Biologist John Calhoun built the colony at the National Institute of Mental Health in Maryland in 1968. It was a large pena 4-foot cubewith everything a mouse could ever desire: plenty of food and water; a perfect climate; reams of paper to make cozy nests; and 256 separate apartments, accessible via mesh tubes bolted to the walls. Calhoun also screened the mice to eliminate disease. Free from predators and other worries, a mouse could theoretically live to an extraordinarily old age there, without a single worry. This was called Universe 25.

At the peak population, most mice spent every living second in the company of hundreds of other mice. They gathered in the main squares, waiting to be fed and occasionally attacking each other. Few females carried pregnancies to term, and the ones that did seemed to simply forget about their babies. They'd move half their litter away from danger and forget the rest. Sometimes they'd drop and abandon a baby while they were carrying it.
The few secluded spaces housed a population Calhoun called, "the beautiful ones." Generally guarded by one male, the femalesand few malesinside the space didn't breed or fight or do anything but eat and groom and sleep. When the population started declining the beautiful ones were spared from violence and death, but had completely lost touch with social behaviors, including having sex or caring for their young.
Gradually, the mice that refused to mate or engage in society came to outnumber those that formed gangs, raped and plundered, and fed off their own. The last known conception in Universe 25 occurred on Day 920, at which point the population was capped at 2,200, well short of the enclosure's 3,000 capacity.
An endless supply of food, water, and other resources were still there for the mice, but it didn't matter. The behavior sink had set in, and there was no stopping Universe 25 from careening to its self-made demise. Soon enough, there was not a single living mouse left in the enclosure..

(sources: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/; https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/mouse-heaven-or-mouse-hell; https://www.victorpest.com/articles/what-humans-can-learn-from-calhouns-rodent-utopia)

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FortuneCookie
02/25/23 10:31:24 PM
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The National Institute of Mental Health is a real thing?

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knightmarexx
02/25/23 10:33:00 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
The National Institute of Mental Health is a real thing?

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Yes:
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/
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HornyLevel
02/25/23 10:38:50 PM
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I remember reading about the behavioral sink several years ago. It's a very interesting experiment. We can see some of this in society as well.

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knightmarexx
03/01/23 5:12:42 PM
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"Behavioral sink" is a term invented by ethologist John B. Calhoun to describe a collapse in behavior which can result from overcrowding.

The truth however, is a bit of a mystery, our population keeps on growing, and each time they state humans will reach "overpopulation when we reach X Billions", but when we reach X, it doesn't happen and a bigger number is suggested.
I guess climate change might be a consequence? But, it doesn't have the massive impact the Mouse colony did... but I guess both result in death, just the former being a lot slower.
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Crimsoness
03/01/23 5:14:46 PM
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Good things humans aren't mice

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ViewtifulJoe
03/01/23 5:17:17 PM
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They had a video of it too last time I checked.

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knightmarexx
03/01/23 5:23:58 PM
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Crimsoness posted...
Good things humans aren't mice

But, Mousie, thou art no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain;
The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!
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Pogo_Marimo
03/01/23 5:25:13 PM
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=NgGLFozNM2o&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

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Pitlord_Special
03/01/23 5:44:04 PM
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From what I remembering reading, basically they get too many males hollering at them which stresses them out to the point they don't want to spend the effort to breed. (normally Chad male mice will fight and chase away incel males before they can approach a female but the high population density in the mouse dystopia meant they couldn't keep up with all the incels)

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Beveren_Rabbit
03/01/23 6:52:19 PM
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a mouse utopia wouldn't be a cage of 3,000 mice in an enclosed space that never gets cleaned.

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COVxy
03/01/23 7:18:38 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
The National Institute of Mental Health is a real thing?

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Yeah, the NIH is broken up into different institutes with different goals. I work for NIMH.

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indica
03/02/23 7:22:52 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
a mouse utopia wouldn't be a cage of 3,000 mice in an enclosed space that never gets cleaned.
Yeah, this was a mad man's cruel project that wasn't really ever meant to be a "utopia"

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