Current Events > Honestly Chris Rock kinda sounded like a lil bitch in that special

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bigblu89 posted...

Well, in my opinion, that line isnt a throwaway joke about a haircut.

respect and i think Will handled it wrong bit there is a line where your wife will want you to do something. We cant act like dudes arent protective of they wife

Nasty_Nitro posted...

respect and i think Will handled it wrong bit there is a line where your wife will want you to do something. We cant act like dudes arent protective of they wife

But thats what Ive been saying this whole time. Rock properly called out Smith for choosing that particular time to finally confront him about whatever beef has been between them.

And I agree with Rock. It was a bitch move to, after a year-plus of getting dragged about things a lot worse than a haircut, to pick the guy thats a foot shorter and 80 pounds lighter to final snap on.

Why didnt he confront Charlamagne, who said MUCH worse things about Jada? Because Charlamagne wouldve whooped his ass, thats why.

It was also a bitch move to do it in that setting where he knew Rock wouldnt fight back.

So while we both agree that you need to defend your wifes honor, we also should be in agreement that how you do it can and will be judged.

bigblu89 posted...

Why didnt he confront Charlamagne, who said MUCH worse things about Jada? Because Charlamagne wouldve whooped his ass, thats why.

Tbf, I feel like the fact that Chris said it in person had more to do with that. I mean, it's not like Will is gonna fly out to Charlamagne's address to slap him.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Tbf, I feel like the fact that Chris said it in person had more to do with that. I mean, it's not like Will is gonna fly out to Charlamagne's address to slap him.

But Will did NOTHING for a solid year-plus about an issue A LOT more personal and with people saying A LOT worse things, and his "breaking point" was a 140 pound comic making a PG joke about his wife's short haircut. Dude was DRAGGED for months about his wife stepping out and him just sitting there and taking it, but a tossaway joke about a 30 year old movie was the breaking point.

OK.

bigblu89 posted...

But Will did NOTHING for a solid year-plus about an issue A LOT more personal and with people saying A LOT worse things, and his "breaking point" was a 140 pound comic making a PG joke about his wife's short haircut. Dude was DRAGGED for months about his wife stepping out and him just sitting there and taking it, but a tossaway joke about a 30 year old movie was the breaking point.

OK.

To be fair, making a joke referencing a 30 year old movie is pretty cringe.

We're in the 2020's not 1990's.

Get some fresh references my guy.

"Did everyone hear the news about the soviet union falling apart?!??"

Yep. we sure did. In 1991. Thanks.

@bigblu89

Charla didnt talk shit to Will while Will wasnin the building nobody cares about Breakfast Club they freaking broke up.

bigblu89 posted...

But Will did NOTHING for a solid year-plus about an issue A LOT more personal and with people saying A LOT worse things, and his "breaking point" was a 140 pound comic making a PG joke about his wife's short haircut. Dude was DRAGGED for months about his wife stepping out and him just sitting there and taking it, but a tossaway joke about a 30 year old movie was the breaking point.

OK.

Exactly. Will didn't even speak out against anyone else during that whole time. That's another reason why the Chris move was so lame. Like, oh now you're so pissed off? Now you're going to protect her but not when everyone was calling her out her name? Lol punk move

Nasty_Nitro posted...

@bigblu89

Charla didnt talk shit to Will while Will wasnin the building nobody cares about Breakfast Club they freaking broke up.

I was using him as an example. Will was dragged by multiple people, but chose quite possibly the worst situation imaginable to decide to finally retaliate.

ooger posted...

To be fair, making a joke referencing a 30 year old movie is pretty cringe.

We're in the 2020's not 1990's.

Get some fresh references my guy.

"Did everyone hear the news about the soviet union falling apart?!??"

Yep. we sure did. In 1991. Thanks.

Whether or not the joke was good, or even relevant, isn't really the issue here.

idk if anybody has ever listened to charla's podcasts but he does not sound like a dude that's going to pop off on will in the same scenario immediately. he's talked a lot about healing and getting your mind right, therapy, meditation, etc. he literally hugs his tree in his back yard while barefoot.

not saying he wouldn't do what's necessary to defend himself and protect people. but he sounds like someone that would think twice about retaliating on will smith.

Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate here, but there's also the possibility that maybe Will only slapped Chris precisely because the two were close?

Maybe that comment (for whatever reason, because it really was a tame ass joke) stung differently coming from Chris' mouth?

Oh wow, people reporting on a thing they haven't seen, cool, this is great

bigblu89 posted...

Whether or not the joke was good, or even relevant, isn't really the issue here.

It is.

Dude is getting paid a ton to entertain people.

"Hey guys! You all hear about this WACKY internet thing?! It's a world wide web."

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate here, but there's also the possibility that maybe Will only slapped Chris precisely because the two were close?

Maybe that comment (for whatever reason, because it really was a tame ass joke) stung differently coming from Chris' mouth?

Oh, that's definitely it. Not sure if anyone is denying it.

There's been a rift between Rock and the Smiths going back years. They used to be fairly close, and there was some sort of falling out about 15-20 years ago.

ooger posted...

It is.

Dude is getting paid a ton to entertain people.

"Hey guys! You all hear about this WACKY internet thing?! It's a world wide web."

He made the joke at the Oscars, and allegedly went off script.

So in this particular example, it wasn't him getting paid a ton to entertain people.

If he was making 30 year old jokes during his normal standup routine, then you'd have a valid point.

Nasty_Nitro posted...

Offend another mans wife infront of him 50% will knock out your teeth

lol when you go to something like the oscars you know youre not safe from being a butt of a joke.

words are not violence and you shouldnt hit someone for making a joke ever. The fuck is wrong with people today.

bigblu89 posted...

He made the joke at the Oscars, and allegedly went off script.

So in this particular example, it wasn't him getting paid a ton to entertain people.

If he was making 30 year old jokes during his normal standup routine, then you'd have a valid point.

He got paid to host the Oscars. What planet are you on?

there is someone in all of our lives that we do not play about.

I know a guy who will murder you for talking crazy about his wife. Not slap im talkinh about bullets.

The funniest part of all this is if Will didn't slap him nobody would remember that throwaway joke or what Jada looked like that night but Will immortalized it by doing what he did. Now everyone remembers GI Jane lookin Jada Smith

ooger posted...

He got paid to host the Oscars. What planet are you on?

He was a presenter, not the host. Presenters do not get paid.

If you were wondering whether the presenters at the Oscars and other awards shows get paid, the answer appears to be no, or at least they get paid next to nothing. When Tiffany Haddish presented at the Oscars this year, for instance, she was asked afterward whether she would ever be interested in hosting the show herself. She said, I would totally do it if we get paid! Cause I didnt get paid for [presenting tonight.]

bigblu89 posted...

He was a presenter, not the host.

Keep up.

Which is a thing that you are paid to do.

ooger posted...

Which is a thing that you are paid to do.

No, you're not.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/how-much-money-salary-awards-show-hosts.html/

If you were wondering whether the presenters at the Oscars and other awards shows get paid, the answer appears to be no, or at least they get paid next to nothing. When Tiffany Haddish presented at the Oscars this year, for instance, she was asked afterward whether she would ever be interested in hosting the show herself. She said, I would totally do it if we get paid! Cause I didnt get paid for [presenting tonight.]

You get paid to host. You get paid if you're an artist and you perform. But presenters get nothing but swag and exposure.

bigblu89 posted...

No, you're not.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/how-much-money-salary-awards-show-hosts.html/

You get paid to host. You get paid if you're an artist and you perform. But presenters get nothing but swag and exposure.

Yeah I am not paid to present, but Chris Rock was.

ooger posted...

Yeah I am not paid to present, but Chris Rock was.

citation needed

So does this mean that everybody hates Chris again?

All the jokes about Draymond Green had me scratching my head. Did Green fuck up Rock's fantasy league pool or something?

cjsdowg posted...

Rock was out there making clearly racist jokes about Draymond Green, only to end his show by saying his mother told him to never fight in front of white people. But he can make racist jokes in front of them. And let them use the N word.

So you put jokes on the same level as physical assault. Bro, stop and think for a moment. Clear your brain of the slogans and rhetoric, then replace it with substantive thought.

They say 'never anger a comedian' but yeah, Rock's beating a dead horse at this point.

cjsdowg posted...

Rock was out there making clearly racist jokes about Draymond Green, only to end his show by saying his mother told him to never fight in front of white people. But he can make racist jokes in front of them. And let them use the N word.

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IYKYK.

Last I'll add, Rock popularized that 'there's black people and there's n-words' narrative that a million and one frat boys used as license to become comfortable using the 'n-word'.

Rock has said he regrets the development but here again is a situation where maybe he should have thought better before opening his mouth.

brestugo posted...

Last I'll add, Rock popularized that 'there's black people and there's n-words' narrative that a million and one frat boys used as license to become comfortable using the 'n-word'.

Rock has said he regrets the development but here again is a situation where maybe he should have thought better before opening his mouth.

So he should just forever be known as the guy that got slapped at the Oscars over a joke, and just ate it?

bigblu89 posted...

So he should just forever be known as the guy that got slapped at the Oscars over a joke, and just ate it?

Non sequitur. He should have thought better before opening hs mouth.

Calling it "a joke about a haircut" is incredibly disingenuous, he was literally mocking her for having alopecia

And using such a dated reference shows how much of a reach he had to make for that joke

DipDipDiver posted...

Calling it "a joke about a haircut" is incredibly disingenuous, he was literally mocking her for having alopecia

No it wasn't. He didn't even know about her condition and neither did anyone else prior to this incident. Nobody ever talked about it before.

DipDipDiver posted...

And using such a dated reference shows how much of a reach he had to make for that joke

Dude is nearly 60. Can't imagine, even as a celebrity, he has his finger on the pulse of pop culture.

DipDipDiver posted...

Calling it "a joke about a haircut" is incredibly disingenuous, he was literally mocking her for having alopecia

This is revisionist history, as it wasn't known that was the reason why she had that hairstyle.
Especially when you factor in Jada tended to have short hairstyles basically her entire time in the spotlight.

Not gonna lie, I'm kinda dumbfounded about how, especially in this day and age, how many people truly feel Will Smith was justified for physically hitting another man over the words he said.

We truly live in a time where people think words are more hurtful than actions.

"Stick and stones" is a thing of the past.

bigblu89 posted...

Not gonna lie, I'm kinda dumbfounded about how, especially in this day and age, how many people truly feel Will Smith was justified for physically hitting another man over the words he said.

We truly live in a time where people think words are more hurtful than actions.

"Stick and stones" is a thing of the past.

I don't really think it's that. I think we've actually become more complacent and forgot how some things used to be. I remember in the 90s it being encouraged to walk away from escalating an encounter over words because you might get shot. Women wouldn't encourage their dude to fight over just a remark (and the ones that did encourage that behavior were looked down upon.) But that hasn't happened in awhile on such a regular basis, so now folks want to jump bad.

lolife67 posted...

I don't really think it's that. I think we've actually become more complacent and forgot how some things used to be. I remember in the 90s it being encouraged to walk away from escalating an encounter over words because you might get shot. Women wouldn't encourage their dude to fight over just a remark (and the ones that did encourage that behavior were looked down upon.) But that hasn't happened in awhile on such a regular basis, so now folks want to jump bad.

So we learned the Sticks and Stones lesson TOO well, and are now railing against the people that don't let the words hurt them?

Forgive me, as I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that the world is slowly passing me by, and I'm well on my way to "man yells at clouds" status.

I think a lot of the discussion around this incident ends up just being about who you like more, cuz there's no universe in which Will Smith is the morally correct person in this situation. Even after the stand up special.

Also there's really no reason to bring up things from Chris Rock's past to justify him getting slapped. The whole "he was rejected from Jada Pinkett Smith" shit seems entirely made up, his old standup routines concerning racial slurs are irrelevant, etc.

Smashingpmkns posted...

I think a lot of the discussion around this incident ends up just being about who you like more, cuz there's no universe in which Will Smith is the morally correct person in this situation. Even after the stand up special.

Also there's really no reason to bring up things from Chris Rock's past to justify him getting slapped. The whole "he was rejected from Jada Pinkett Smith" shit seems entirely made up, his old standup routines concerning racial slurs are irrelevant, etc.

There's definitely some of this, I'm guessing. I was trying to take it simply from a "Person A" and "Person B" perspective, because even if it wasn't Rock, I'd (probably) be defending the comic in this situation regardless.

Fox News agrees with Chris Rock. Let that sink in.

manhookcardoor posted...

Fox News agrees with Chris Rock. Let that sink in.

The station as a whole?

bigblu89 posted...

The station as a whole?

It was a segment on their show, The Five.

manhookcardoor posted...

It was a segment on their show, The Five.

I'd have a tough time getting myself to watch The Five to see exactly what they said, but sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut.

This isn't a Chappelle situation, where he said some hurtful things that affect an entire community, and then doubled down on those statements by saying even worse things. This is a joke aimed at ONE person in particular, and when ONE person overreacted to it, Rock called that person a bitch for doing so. Something many, MANY, people before him had already said.

bigblu89 posted...

Not gonna lie, I'm kinda dumbfounded about how, especially in this day and age, how many people truly feel Will Smith was justified for physically hitting another man over the words he said.

We truly live in a time where people think words are more hurtful than actions.

"Stick and stones" is a thing of the past.

people push sticks and stones to the limit also online bullying from strangers in every direction

we taught a paradox Sticks & Stones but also Zero Tolerance for Bullying

so is it I take verbal abuse or is bullying not allowed anyway?

Nasty_Nitro posted...

people push sticks and stones to the limit also online bullying from strangers in every direction

we taught a paradox Sticks & Stones but also Zero Tolerance for Bullying

so is it I take verbal abuse or is bullying not allowed anyway?

Issue here, like so many other examples, is that there's no "one size fits all" answer to that.

One person's light hearted joke is another person's bullying.

bigblu89 posted...

Issue here, like so many other examples, is that there's no "one size fits all" answer to that.

One person's light hearted joke is another person's bullying.

i wish people would be nicer to each other. These days we champion meanness and mean spirited ideas and act oh so shocked when someone snaps. Again I think Will made a terrible decision but can we acknowledge the bullying and yes Iam copping please for Big Will i grew up on this guy. He influenced me as a boy he was a positive role model.

His wife and the whole internet bullied him live he aint do nothing to nobody.

People reveled in his sadness the man has been on tv crying and people fucking meme it.

Hes also a multimillionaire so i dont feel too bad cuz WTF go get a new bitch. But the man has been bullied we all know the effects of bullying