Current Events > Guy did not want kids, women still had them anyway

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Honestly, it sounds worse if you watch the video. He says he always offers to pay for a plan b or an abortion. And that these 7 women are the only ones that didn't want to do that. So who knows how many women he almost had kids with.

This guy has 7 kids with 7 different women. He states he will not pay or participate in their lives.

This guy is his own problem then.
It should not take 7 different baby mamas to realize his pull out game is not working...

Also, some women straight up lie about taking birth control etc. That's been admittedly known for decades and is not going to change. It's on the guy to watch out for his own security when trying to avoid getting trapped for child support and cornered into other payments.

Act like a stray dog in heat, get treated like one. No sympathy.

Are some baby mamas manipulative bitches with no conscience or soul? Yeah, but that's a whole other conversation and a plain reason a man with a working brain should not be raw dogging it without a care. The state will catch up and make him care.

This dude is an idiot, hands down. That being said, a woman has the final say in whether or not she has an abortion (as she should) -- so there should be some way for a man to do the same in a financial sense.

The_Korey posted...

Regardless of if it's 2 loving partners, or one lone parent, no one should be having children if there's reason to believe they won't be financially sufficient in raising them.

And yet, people do get pregnant and are opposed to having an abortion, and some method of caring for the child is needed

It feels like many of you think the purpose of child support is to punish the man, which leads to...bad opinions about child support

emblem-man posted...

It feels like many of you think the purpose of child support is to punish the man, which leads to...bad opinions about child support

Oh I pay child support, so I already have a negative opinion about it. Especially after the clerk told me that the system doesn't care if I can't afford my expenses because of child support.

But this guy is being incredibly irresponsible and should be helping to provide for these kids that he helped create. That's 7 kids that won't know their father at all

emblem-man posted...

It feels like many of you think the purpose of child support is to punish the man, which leads to...bad opinions about child support

In many situations child support is a heartless tool used to beat honest men. There are deadbeats out there, but I've seen first hand how the system is to men.

hitokoriX posted...

This dude is an idiot, hands down. That being said, a woman has the final say in whether or not she has an abortion (as she should) -- so there should be some way for a man to do the same in a financial sense.

Nobody has answered WHY financial abortion needs to be a thing. Its the right of the child to have a proper upbringing. Its unfair to the child that their parents do not provide to them. That isnt something either parent should be able to revoke their responsibilities for once the child is born.

one thing I think should happen is that if the parents cant provide for the child, the government should chip in with welfare.

Mr_Karate_II posted...

That's not how it works, the man still has to pay support unless he signs off all parental rights.

Eh, Ive heard pro choice argue that consenting to sex doesnt mean consenting to pregnancy. Conveniently, they dont accept that it also shouldnt mean consenting to child support.

This is a weak man whose life is dominated and consumed by women and sex. These are the consequences

The more I see this pop up, the more I get irked. Shit like this is why people are accidentally getting with their family members. Since they don't know who they are.

I really really doubt all 7 women tricked him into having. He didn't use a condom and, he's an awful person with no accountability.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Eh, Ive heard pro choice argue that consenting to sex doesnt mean consenting to pregnancy. Conveniently, they dont accept that it also shouldnt mean consenting to child support.

Men aren't the ones that get to make that decision. The choice men get to make is to wear a condom or not. The dude in the op failed that choice at least 7 different times.

I listened to that earlier. Decent message from a terrible messenger. Dude is an irresponsible clown with weak pull out game.

If he took precautions and they ended up pregnant then it would be understandable. Dude nutted in them and just threw ups his hands.

That said, if he made it clear he didn't want to be a father, then those women have to accept their part in the equation as well.

party_animal07 posted...

That said, if he made it clear he didn't want to be a father, then those women have to accept their part in the equation as well.

I still don't think it works like that. You may signal your intent that you don't want to start a fire, but when you're playing with matches and kerosene soaked rags then somebody still needs to take care of the resulting fire. But instead of a fire, you've made a whole person, and that person had far less culpability in their inception than either parent did.

party_animal07 posted...

That said, if he made it clear he didn't want to be a father, then those women have to accept their part in the equation as well.

what does this even mean?

A_Good_Boy posted...

I still don't think it works like that. You may signal your intent that you don't want to start a fire, but when you're playing with matches and kerosene soaked rags then somebody still needs to take care of the resulting fire. But instead of a fire, you've made a whole person, and that person had far less culpability in their inception than either parent did.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be responsible for the outcome. He made a choice. I'm saying that if he communicated that he didn't want a kid, which I'm skeptical about, the women involved have to take responsibility for the fact they chose to have unprotected sex with a man would has no interest in a potential child's development.

Arcanine2009 posted...

I really really doubt all 7 women tricked him into having. He didn't use a condom and, he's an awful person with no accountability.

No one is saying the women tricked him. He is just a symbol of a grim reality that some men don't want kids.

party_animal07 posted...

I'm not saying he shouldn't be responsible for the outcome. He made a choice. I'm saying that if he communicated that he didn't want a kid, which I'm skeptical about, the women involved have to take responsibility for the fact they chose to have unprotected sex with a man would has no interest in a potential child's development.

I believe him. Some people will insist anyway .

A_Good_Boy posted...

Men aren't the ones that get to make that decision. The choice men get to make is to wear a condom or not. The dude in the op failed that choice at least 7 different times.

thats silly.

Who has a choice isnt something set in stone or pronounced by a god. Its socially driven. Its true that a man could and should wear a condom. I suppose he could get a vasectomy as well, and of course there is straight up abstinence (nobody outside of trad cons advocates for that though). How many forms of birth control do women have access to? More than a dozen?

Edit: I just saw your fire kerosene analogy. Unless you support double standards or think women are ignorant or incompetent, you do realize that your argument applies to women as well, right?

Guy did not want kids, still had them anyway

Fixed that for you.

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Sure, and even condoms arent foolproof for preventing pregnancy or stds.

I wouldnt even have replied about birth control, except that the other person focused on it as if only one side has any. That was disingenuous of them. Personally, I think men and women should vet their potential partners better and be certain they can handle any consequences, but Ive actually been told thats a form of slut shaming.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

thats silly.

Who has a choice isnt something set in stone or pronounced by a god. Its socially driven. Its true that a man could and should wear a condom. I suppose he could get a vasectomy as well, and of course there is straight up abstinence (nobody outside of trad cons advocates for that though). How many forms of birth control do women have access to? More than a dozen?

Edit: I just saw your fire kerosene analogy. Unless you support double standards or think women are ignorant or incompetent, you do realize that your argument applies to women as well, right?

How many times would you say it's reasonable that once a woman's birth control has failed that a man should rely on his own? Cause dude had 7 kids, you'd think after at least the 2nd or 3rd time he'd stop trusting his female partners and their birth control methods and smarten up and use his own. Except he didn't, the dude kept on going and ended up with 7 kids just to complain about it. You fuck up 7 times the same exact way in any other area of your life and that's just called negligence. This dude negligently conceived 7 different kids and pointed his fingers at 7 different women as if that shit was their fault and he had nothing to do with it.

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Yeah, Reddit has that ESH (Everyone Sucks Here) label when critiquing these kinds of scenarios.

I hope those kids will be Ok.

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In some areas it is just a cultural attitude. It is like an oh well thing.
And sex Ed is a must. The guy said he didn't know what a vasectomy was.

A_Good_Boy posted...

How many times would you say it's reasonable that once a woman's birth control has failed that a man should rely on his own? Cause dude had 7 kids, you'd think after at least the 2nd or 3rd time he'd stop trusting his female partners and their birth control methods and smarten up and use his own. Except he didn't, the dude kept on going and ended up with 7 kids just to complain about it. You fuck up 7 times the same exact way in any other area of your life and that's just called negligence. This dude negligently conceived 7 different kids and pointed his fingers at 7 different women as if that shit was their fault and he had nothing to do with it.

It is both parties but to be fair. He did the last responsible action in the list of steps, he offered an abortion.
Don't get me wrong I am not attacking these women. I think we all need to step back and take a look at people's action and words a bit more seriously.
While it is true he did warn the ladies he will not be in there lives. He should least have thought by the 3 or 4th child that some women do not believe in abortion.